[CONSOLIDATED][Russia Edition] General discussion on Ukraine/Russia war

[kgluong]

Russians are really useless. The only reason these strategic bombers are in open air and not in hangar is because of the START nuclear treaty which got ripped up Putin himself in 2023.

Since they suspended the treaty themselves the least they could do is to protect their bombers by putting in hangars.

The problem with putting bomber in hangers is reaction time. Bombers can't put into hangers because it slow the reaction time. They are put out in the open so they can immediately fly.

Also bombers are very large.

 

[Mechafanboy]

Russia doesn't really have that much missiles left.

First Iskander launcher destroyed. Probably was going to be used for revenge.

Russia still has the means to build ballistic missiles. They have been smuggling components through shady dealers in India, turkey, central asia etc. They won't exhaust their stockpile because they are constantly building dozens of such missiles per month. They have been known to squander iskander missiles on targets with no strategic value.

It's also the reason why their economy is F. They have transited to wartime economy and has nothing to show for.

 

[kgluong]

Russia still has the means to build ballistic missiles. They have been smuggling components through shady dealers in India, turkey, central asia etc. They won't exhaust their stockpile because they are constantly building dozens of such missiles per month. They have been known to squander iskander missiles on targets with no strategic value.

It's also the reason why their economy is F. They have transited to wartime economy and has nothing to show for.

Building a handful a year doesn't do much when you fire over a hundred a day.

 

[kgluong]

got picture of the damage?

 

[Miss.Molly]

No need to protect aircraft in hangars.
Not when you can "protect" them by putting rubber tyres on the wings and fuselages.

 

[ghgan1]

 

[ghgan1]

 

[sg-united]

Putin is just too weak. Activate their bombers to bomb Kyiv in three waves, and Ukraine will surrender unconditionally.

If it is the US, they would have done it 3 years ago. Simply waste of time fighting for 3 years for nothing, with heavy causalities from both sides.

 

[ghgan1]

 

[Unic0rn]

Will they shower a few missiles later to show they are doing a revenge?

I don’t think they have enough of spare working missiles to use for this purpose

 

[Unic0rn]

Putin is just too weak. Activate their bombers to bomb Kyiv in three waves, and Ukraine will surrender unconditionally.

If it is the US, they would have done it 3 years ago. Simply waste of time fighting for 3 years for nothing, with heavy causalities from both sides.

I think you are thinking instead of losing 41 strategic long range bombers, can use them and there is a 50% chance of lose them but objective acquired?

 

[sg-united]

I think you are thinking instead of losing 41 strategic long range bombers, can use them and there is a 50% chance of lose them but objective acquired?

This is just one aspect.

To end the war fast, you have to strike deep into the heart of the country, particularly the capital.

That is the place where most of the elites and the government officials live. They will surrender if the capital is fallen. Russia has wasted so many Russians for nothing by attacking other cities which have no values. Nobody is going to surrender based on that.

 

[kgluong]

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Putin is just too weak. Activate their bombers to bomb Kyiv in three waves, and Ukraine will surrender unconditionally.

If it is the US, they would have done it 3 years ago. Simply waste of time fighting for 3 years for nothing, with heavy causalities from both sides.

Lololol delusional. Have no idea how war works and probably have short term memory.

1st: Russian troops enter kyiv at the start of the war. Several thousands Russian troops fought in and around kyiv and got massacre by Ukrainian civilians defense forces. Over 50% of russian elite forces were killed in the battle of kyiv.

2: Russian bomber did wave attacked on kyiv at the early stages of war and they were shot down. This was before Western air defence systems.

3: before Ukraine mass destruction of russian bomber, Russian bombers stay far away from Ukraine air defense when they launch their missiles.

4: the Russian basically ran out of missiles. They used to launch hundreds of missiles at kyiv. They stopped bombing Ukrainian cities because they ran out of missiles. 40 revenge missiles was dipping deep into what's left of their stockpile. They used to launch over 200 missiles in one attack.

5: the Russian had around or less than 100 bombers. Over 50% of their bomber forces have been destroyed in the war.

6: cities can take a lot if punishment. They are natural man made fortifications. Attacking cities waste military resources and spare military targets from getting hit.

 

[kgluong]

Su-35 shot down by f-16.

 

[kgluong]

I think you are thinking instead of losing 41 strategic long range bombers, can use them and there is a 50% chance of lose them but objective acquired?

Russia had been using them to bomb kyiv for the first couple of years in the war. They stopped doing it because they ran out of missiles and Western air defense around kyiv is too strong.

 

[kgluong]

I don’t think they have enough of spare working missiles to use for this purpose

Yeah they ran out of missiles. 40 missiles used for revenge shows how low their missiles stockpile is. They used to launch 200+ at kyiv on a weekly basis.

 

[Unic0rn]

This is just one aspect.

To end the war fast, you have to strike deep into the heart of the country, particularly the capital.

That is the place where most of the elites and the government officials live. They will surrender if the capital is fallen. Russia has wasted so many Russians for nothing by attacking other cities which have no values. Nobody is going to surrender based on that.

The Russians does not have enough missiles to use those strategic long range bombers. They are losing, I wonder why did Russia not mobilized all their people that able to walk to carry arms and walk into the battle to try turn the tide of the battle? Imagine 146 million people walking into Ukraine

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Lololol delusional. Have no idea how war works and probably have short term memory.

1st: Russian troops enter kyiv at the start of the war. Several thousands Russian troops fought in and around kyiv and got massacre by Ukrainian civilians defense forces. Over 50% of russian elite forces were killed in the battle of kyiv.

2: Russian bomber did wave attacked on kyiv at the early stages of war and they were shot down. This was before Western air defence systems.

3: before Ukraine mass destruction of russian bomber, Russian bombers stay far away from Ukraine air defense when they launch their missiles.

4: the Russian basically ran out of missiles. They used to launch hundreds of missiles at kyiv. They stopped bombing Ukrainian cities because they ran out of missiles. 40 revenge missiles was dipping deep into what's left of their stockpile. They used to launch over 200 missiles in one attack.

5: the Russian had around or less than 100 bombers. Over 50% of their bomber forces have been destroyed in the war.

6: cities can take a lot if punishment. They are natural man made fortifications. Attacking cities waste military resources and spare military targets from getting hit.

Russia had been using them to bomb kyiv for the first couple of years in the war. They stopped doing it because they ran out of missiles and Western air defense around kyiv is too strong.

Yeah they ran out of missiles. 40 missiles used for revenge shows how low their missiles stockpile is. They used to launch 200+ at kyiv on a weekly basis.

 

[kgluong]

The Russians does not have enough missiles to use those strategic long range bombers. They are losing, I wonder why did Russia not mobilized all their people that able to walk to carry arms and walk into the battle to try turn the tide of the battle? Imagine 146 million people walking into Ukraine

Putin can't mobilize the entire population. That's impossible for any country especially in a dictator country like Russia.

1: full mobilization will cause the entire economy to collapse. Skilled workers are needed to run the country. To fix what is broken. To farm for food. And so on.

2: In a dictatorship government it's impossible for full mobilization because you are essentially given weapons to people that really really hate you.

Putin ran out of his supporters. All of his supporters been mobilize. Most of them killed or wounded in Ukraine. What left now are citizens that at best dislike him and at worst want to kill him if they are given the chance. You don't want to give weapons to the people that want to see you dead. Putin and his friends fully aware of this.

So what he got left is trying to recruit foreign fighters in Africa and North Koreans.

This is basically the end of Putin and Russia. Putin will probably be kill by his own people because all his supporters are dead, wounded, and delusions about the war.

It's the end of Russian empire because the core military strength that keeps Russia together is gone. What you got are regional military power that grown in strength and ready to rebel. The hollow out Russian military will only have enough strength to keep the peace in their own stronghold.

 

[sg-united]

Lololol delusional. Have no idea how war works and probably have short term memory.

1st: Russian troops enter kyiv at the start of the war. Several thousands Russian troops fought in and around kyiv and got massacre by Ukrainian civilians defense forces. Over 50% of russian elite forces were killed in the battle of kyiv.

2: Russian bomber did wave attacked on kyiv at the early stages of war and they were shot down. This was before Western air defence systems.

3: before Ukraine mass destruction of russian bomber, Russian bombers stay far away from Ukraine air defense when they launch their missiles.

4: the Russian basically ran out of missiles. They used to launch hundreds of missiles at kyiv. They stopped bombing Ukrainian cities because they ran out of missiles. 40 revenge missiles was dipping deep into what's left of their stockpile. They used to launch over 200 missiles in one attack.

5: the Russian had around or less than 100 bombers. Over 50% of their bomber forces have been destroyed in the war.

6: cities can take a lot if punishment. They are natural man made fortifications. Attacking cities waste military resources and spare military targets from getting hit.

Have you read the reports on how did Russia attack Kyiv when the war first broke out in Feb 2022.

Simply a joke. Of course cannot conquer the capital using that kind of tactics. They didn't have wave after wave of bombers bombing the city. Maybe you are right, Russia is too poor, no missiles to hang onto the bombers, or lack of bombers, or most of the bombers are not working.

Russia withdrew the attack on Kyiv in Mar 2022 after trying for a month without serious effort.

Putin is seemed not interested in capturing Kyiv or Ukraine. He just wanted NATO not to recruit Ukraine by fighting a long and draggy war. He is playing patient game with Ukraine, the US and Europe. See who can last the longest.

 

[kgluong]

Have you read the reports on how did Russia attack Kyiv when the war first broke out in Feb 2022.

Simply a joke. Of course cannot conquer the capital using that kind of tactics. They didn't have wave after wave of bombers bombing the city. Maybe you are right, Russia is too poor, no missiles to hang onto the bombers, or lack of bombers, or most of the bombers are not working.

Russia withdrew the attack on Kyiv in Mar 2022 after trying for a month without serious effort.

Putin is seemed not interested in capturing Kyiv or Ukraine. He just wanted NATO not to recruit Ukraine by fighting a long and draggy war. He is playing patient game with Ukraine, the US and Europe. See who can last the longest.

The original plan was Russia end the war in three days. Capture kyiv in 3 days. They sent the best and most experience elite fighters to do it.

Russia used everything in the first week of the war which included massive amount of missiles launched by bombers on Ukrainian cities.

The thing about cities is the can take enough amount of punishment. They are fortifications.

Kyiv was over 60% surrounded but reinforcement arrived. Two Russian army groups tried to surround kyiv. The Russian went all in at the start of war. Their best and most experienced fighters lead the attack on kyiv.

Ukraine won The Battle for Hostomel Airport which was the turning point in the battle of kyiv.