CPF Easy Info Thread. :)

maple96

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You can avoid most or all of this nominal payout erosion if you maintain enough cash across your CPF accounts to qualify for maximum bonus interest for your entire lifetime. (CPF's statement assumes that all balances across all subaccounts eventually fall, which is pretty typical but not universal.)

Yes, it was what I explained in this forum before and u repeat/reiterate those ideas/explanations here :s13:

Yes, I explained the hidden assumptions made by CPFB as counter argument to your repeated statement that CPF Life Basic Plan mthly payouts will decrease in the future.

And why those who choose Basic Plan should not be bothered with CPF's statement ( ie “As extra interest is earned on the combined balances in your CPF accounts, including premiums committed to CPF LIFE, up to $60,000, you will experience a gradual decrease in your monthly payouts due to the reduction in extra interest paid to your RA when these balances fall below $60,000 ):

1. They still have a huge SA balance (those who exploited the loophole/SA hack before 55) to earn 4% interest

2. They have a big 10-20% CPF Life premium based on their huge ERS RA balance at 65 or 70 still un-utilised at 90, to be utilised by about 93 or thereabout.

3. They have a max BHS in MA still un-utilised.

4. They have a huge OA to earn 2.5% interest they can withdraw annually.

5. They do not depend only on CPF Life mthly payout for survival.

Those with above and other strategies will never see their combined balances fall below 60k in their life-time! And those who choose Basic Plan will likely have those plans in place.

Too bad if u dun, then maybe u should choose other plans.

Yes, and your monthly CPF LIFE payout amount reflects your CPF Lifelong Income Fund claim, including bonus interest. These two plans do not feature the Basic Plan's typical (but not universal) out year nominal payout reductions. The Standard Plan has a steadier (and higher) nominal monthly payout, while the Escalating Plan has a steadier real payout (and an escalating nominal payout). The Basic Plan maintains a higher residual for longer than the other two plans. However, all plans feature declining nominal residuals (and even faster declining real residuals) once payouts start, and all plans have residuals that eventually fall to zero if you live long enough.


As I stated again above, those who choose Basic Plan with the above “strategies” in place will not be bothered with the Basic Plan mthly payouts.

They have more than one source of payouts to live on.

It is not “your choice” to live as long as u want, beyond 90 or 100, as there are many causes of death.

If u think u can live beyond 90/100, u dun have to choose CPF Life Basic Plan.

Even if I can live beyond 90 based on family history and I do not have dependents, I will still choose Basic Plan and start payout at 65 for my own reasons with my own strategies.

As someone put it, CPF Life Basic Plan is a good hedge if u die earlier than expected. Should u survive longer than expected, u also have no worries with your strategies in place.

To each his own.
 
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Moreover, I cannot actually find a published CPF service standard for MediSave top ups via PayNow QR, and they publish a lot of service standards. For RSTU it’s “almost instantly.”
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Against my better judgment, I'm going to respond to this comment.

Yes, I want to win, and I want everyone to win, to get all their desired top ups credited before the deadline.


Hello, u cannot find is not conclusive evidence that u are right, that CPFB do not publish service standard for PayNow! I will report u to CPFB for spreading fake info because u want to win! :s13:

Read this from CPF website:

Voluntary contribution
for non self-employed

Manual transactions: 7 working days

eNets Debit: Within thenext working day
PayNow QR: Almost instantly
 
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Alright people, cut the crap from this thread. Stick to the topic instead of attacking one another and playing out your childish feuds in public or there will be infractions. There will be no further warnings.

it is not attacking one another. if you post without having knowledge, you are inviting people to hit you.

see this post
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/money-mind-210/paying-off-hdb-loan-vs-transfer-sa-6166585.html

when someone posted something wrong, how many people went it to hit.

why dont you go in and hoot those people that hit when fake news is posted. why when we hoot bbc when he post rubbish, you sarpork him.

"is it because i am _______"go ask muttons in the morning wat should be filled in the blanks.
 

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Hello, u cannot find is not conclusive evidence that u are right, that CPFB do not publish service standard for PayNow! I will report u to CPFB for spreading fake info because u want to win! :s13:

Read this from CPF website:

Voluntary contribution
for non self-employed

Manual transactions: 7 working days

eNets Debit: Within thenext working day
PayNow QR: Almost instantly

this is exactly wat i meant, you dont have knowledge just shut the gap. Let people that have do provide the advice. do not post fake news and create confusion.
 

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lupster said:
Anyone knows if MA voluntary contributions through paynow will be reflected immediately?
Hello, u cannot find is not conclusive evidence that u are right, that CPFB do not publish service standard for PayNow! I will report u to CPFB for spreading fake info because u want to win!
BBCWatcher said:
Moreover, I cannot actually find a published CPF service standard for MediSave top ups via PayNow QR, and they publish a lot of service standards. For RSTU it’s “almost instantly.”
(Emphasis added.)

Against my better judgment, I'll repeat: As of right now, CPF publishes a service standard for RSTU via PayNow QR. Unless somebody can find one, CPF evidently does not publish a service standard for MediSave top ups via PayNow QR. (Here are their MediSave-related service standards.)

Could they be different service standards? Of course they could be! Patients in hospitals, including in emergency and urgent situations, rely on MediSave inquiries and withdrawals. That's quite different than Special and Retirement Accounts and their purposes. It is logical and rational to expect that CPF could prioritize those MediSave-related transactions over MediSave top up transactions. We don't know since CPF hasn't evidently published a service standard for MediSave top ups via PayNow QR, but that's a reasonable possibility.

Also, even if there were a published service standard, service standards are how the organization benchmarks its own success, not ironclad guarantees. If CPF fails to live up to its own service standards, that's unfortunate, but you have no guaranteed or even likely remedy.

So we've (so far) got no service standard for this particular CPF transaction and channel combination, and service standards are not performance guarantees with concrete, effective remedies in the event of failure. My advice remains that you try to get your MediSave top up via PayNow QR done at least before 4:00 p.m. on December 30, 2019, if you want it credited within 2019.
 
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(Emphasis added.)

Against my better judgment, I'll repeat: As of right now, CPF publishes a service standard for RSTU via PayNow QR. Unless somebody can find one, CPF evidently does not publish a service standard for MediSave top ups via PayNow QR. (Here are their MediSave-related service standards.)

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Hello, u cannot find is not conclusive evidence that u are right, that CPFB do not publish service standard for PayNow! I will report u to CPFB for spreading fake info because u want to win! :s13:

Read this from CPF website:

Voluntary contribution
for non self-employed


Manual transactions: 7 working days

eNets Debit: Within thenext working day
PayNow QR: Almost instantly

Your continued denial of your fake news is double confirmation of your failed understanding and comprehension of CPF rules and CPF terms!

What is Voluntary Contribution? Voluntary contribution refers to 3-Account cash contribution (OA/SA/MA) or MA contribution!

Dun waste forumers time with more rubbish!
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Please note that I have provided direct links to CPF's service standards along with the rationale for my recommendation.
 
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Budget 2020 update:

1) FRS 2021 is $186k and 2022 is $192k

2) Matching top up of up to $600 a year for 5 years for 55 years old and up who have not met their BRS.
 

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Budget 2020 update:

1) FRS 2021 is $186k and 2022 is $192k

2) Matching top up of up to $600 a year for 5 years for 55 years old and up who have not met their BRS.

Hinted by idiots that FRS rise is too slow.
Can expect higher rise after 2023.
 

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Getting my refund for over top up into medisave for 2019. :(

Now I know. Will get another refund next Feb for the top up earlier this year :(
 

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Budget 2020 update:

1) FRS 2021 is $186k and 2022 is $192k

2) Matching top up of up to $600 a year for 5 years for 55 years old and up who have not met their BRS.

Same as my own projection, it will go up at +6k every year. It is still roughly following a 3% increase
 
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Same as my own projection, it will go up at +6k every year. It is still roughly following a 3% increase
Actually why not reduce it since inflation so low nowadays? :(

Should just add $5k every year until inflation increase again... :(

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Actually why not reduce it since inflation so low nowadays? :(
Elder inflation tends to run a little higher, largely due to medical inflation. Also, the government acknowledges that they’re trying to catch up since there’s still a retirement adequacy problem, in part due to the fact that Singaporeans are living longer and longer and with fewer traditional “family pensions” (i.e. children and grandchildren supporting their elders). What might have worked 20 years ago in terms of a retirement nest egg isn’t enough now, even after adjusting for elder inflation.
 

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Money in RA can withdraw ?

Hi, if my RA has reached more than FRS, can I withdraw :-

1. Any amt , above FRS , any time ?
2. If I choose BFS amt for my CPF life plan , can I withdraw the bal fr my RA ? Anytime ?

I hv tried to browse thr CPF website but can't find the above ans. Anyone can help? Thanks !
 
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