CPF SA Shielding hack - RIP (Obsolete)

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so the amt of SA shielded until below FRS can be used for top up for tax relief right? your previous post mentioned otherwise.
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Current Full Retirement Sum (FRS) = 192,000
Special Account (SA) savings = 100,000
Amount withdrawn from SA for investments = 92,000
Amount available for top up to get tax relief = 0
 

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???

Current Full Retirement Sum (FRS) = 192,000
Special Account (SA) savings = 100,000
Amount withdrawn from SA for investments = 92,000
Amount available for top up to get tax relief = 0
argh got it, not sure why i read the formula differently haha
 

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???

Current Full Retirement Sum (FRS) = 192,000
Special Account (SA) savings = 100,000
Amount withdrawn from SA for investments = 92,000
Amount available for top up to get tax relief = 0
that is the way to do it. put in some numbers. you try to explain using words, explain till tomorrow also no one understand
 

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does anyone here does SA shielding so that SA is below FRS and you can top up to SA again for tax relief?
Doesn’t work. The amount shielded is counted
However, once you turn 55 you get a CPF Retirement Account. You're then eligible to qualify for RA-related tax reliefs, if/as available. Many "shielders" can squeeze win some tax relief in their 55th birthday month.

Let's suppose for example you turn 55 in 2023 (next year). In January you make a $2,500 Voluntary Contribution to your MediSave Account, to boost your MA from $66,000 to $68,500 (the new Basic Healthcare Sum) let's suppose. That $2,500 is eligible for tax relief. Then you "shield" your SA, and (in this example) we'll assume your OA has $100,000 and remains unshielded. Your RA is then funded to $140,000 ($40,000 from SA, $100,000 from OA). You then make a cash top up to your new RA of $60,000 let's suppose. The first $5,500 of this top up will be eligible for tax relief (the remaining portion of the $8,000/year tax relief available for self for MA VC+qualifying SA/RA top ups).
 

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A family member will be 55 in early 2023.

SA will be in excess of 200K and is primed for shielding. OA + 40K from SA will have enough to cover for FRS at 198,800 in 2023.

I looked through the list of funds that were approved for CPFIS-SA, 1-year annualised performance as at Q2 2022 were all in the negative territories. There is no intention to hold the fund for a year of course but that gave me indication of short term volatility.

Would it be safe to say at this point queuing up at agent bank to buy the upcoming 6-months T-bill would be the best course of action?
 

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A family member will be 55 in early 2023.

SA will be in excess of 200K and is primed for shielding. OA + 40K from SA will have enough to cover for FRS at 198,800 in 2023.

I looked through the list of funds that were approved for CPFIS-SA, 1-year annualised performance as at Q2 2022 were all in the negative territories. There is no intention to hold the fund for a year of course but that gave me indication of short term volatility.

Would it be safe to say at this point queuing up at agent bank to buy the upcoming 6-months T-bill would be the best course of action?
yes.

sometimes losing out on 6m of opportunity cost is better than unknown amount of losses due to capital losses
 

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Would it be safe to say at this point queuing up at agent bank to buy the upcoming 6-months T-bill would be the best course of action?
This blog did a detailed analysis of the pros/cons and even the selection of T-bills appropriate for the shielding if one chooses this route.
 

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This blog did a detailed analysis of the pros/cons and even the selection of T-bills appropriate for the shielding if one chooses this route.
not bad article. a bit too long.

but there is one mistake when comparing tbills and unit trust.

he did not indicated that he will lose one month of interest on top of the trading loss.
 

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There's some risk that the SA interest rate will be revised upward. Slightly possible in 2Q2023, and a little more possible in 3Q2023. It may not happen, but it's possible. If it does happen then the T-bill shielding method could end up less attractive than the unit trust shielding method.
 

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There's some risk that the SA interest rate will be revised upward. Slightly possible in 2Q2023, and a little more possible in 3Q2023. It may not happen, but it's possible. If it does happen then the T-bill shielding method could end up less attractive than the unit trust shielding method.
it will still remain as attractive to people who wants defined "losses"
 

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it will still remain as attractive to people who wants defined "losses"
They’re not defined, though. We don’t really know what the future SA interest rate will be in the outer months of a 6 month T-bill. It could be 4.00%, 4.15%, 4.37%… No idea right now.
 

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They’re not defined, though. We don’t really know what the future SA interest rate will be in the outer months of a 6 month T-bill. It could be 4.00%, 4.15%, 4.37%… No idea right now.
fair enough.

"more defined" than bond fund method then at the time of placing it.
 

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Thanks everyone for their reply. As the shielding will be done in the first week of Jan, T-bill does look like the best option right now. No one knows what the future holds so we could only make decision based on what we know.
 

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Thanks everyone for their reply. As the shielding will be done in the first week of Jan, T-bill does look like the best option right now. No one knows what the future holds so we could only make decision based on what we know.
The next T-bill (if used for SA shielding) will remove funds from the member's Special Account during months spanning 1Q, 2Q, and 3Q of 2023. We only know the SA interest rate (4.0%) for 1Q2023.

Unit trust-based shielding ordinarily loses 1 month of SA interest, and if that's in 1Q2023 (January, February, or March) you already know that will be only 4.0% interest (annualized). You don't know exactly what the unit trust will do while you're holding it — it may go up a little, it may go down a little — but you're only holding it for days or maybe 2 weeks at the most. With the 6 month T-bill you don't know exactly what its rate will be (that depends on your bid and the auction) until you get it, and you don't know what the outer months of lost SA interest will be (except at least 4.0% annualized) since 6 months is always beyond the CPF Board's rate announcements.

If the T-bill rate is high enough then this SA rate risk can be overcome. Give some thought to how high a T-bill rate you need to overcome the SA rate risk. And then, if your bid isn't filled, you'll have the unit trust-based method as a fallback.
 

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The 55th birthday is in first week of Jan ? Really cut too close.

Should have planned this earlier. Means now die die must get the next Tbill or will miss the date ?

Don't even have time to test one round using just $1000 to test the process and CPF deduction date.
On top of the tight timeline may also have application missed out by the bank. I would rather go UT.
 

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UT also must immediately set up accounts if not created yet and hopefully got time to do a small test with the min purchase.

A senior told me that he had shielded his SA by getting a financial agent's services. He said that he needn't any extra amount to the agent. Not sure if that is true, but if it is, wouldn't it 'safer' to get the shielding done by a professional, rather than experimenting it on your own (esp those who has not the prior experience in doing so, after all, SA shielding is done once a lifetime)?

if done on our own, what are the steps needed to do so?
 
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