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An able bodied child should never demand, pressure, or otherwise encourage his/her parents to experience (or even risk) lives of poverty or even destitution. Our elders should live dignified lives for the rest of their days insofar as possible. If you want something else, earn it yourself....

very good. next time if your parents were to pass on, donate your bequest. you are able bodied. you do not have to take their money

same thing if you were to pass on. donate what you have left to charity. if your kid wants something ask them to earn it.
 

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and yes parents will be destituted if they choose cpf life basic over standard. because the payout is 100 more per month, and they will lose all their dignity as well because of this 100 per month
 

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look henry's dad does not have cpf life payout. he is really ah pek already. is he a destitute. by bbc's definition, he should be living in the streets.

why cant parents and kids, be viewed as a single unit? Again you can see henry using his dad's account to get higher returns.

why we cannot do this? parents go for cpf life basic. kids pay extra 100 per month such dad will get the standard payout. when dad pass on, kid takes whatever is left in cpf. this is win-win for both. many kids are already giving their parent more than 100 per month. so why shouldnt the parents choose basic such that the kids get the bequest if any.

bbc also suggest that the parents should give everything they have to kids at 65 a live of cpf life payout. so parents should choose standard so that the 100 per month more will make a world of difference. they will not need any more money and can give everthing to their kids. i clap for people who will do this.

like i said foreigner's concept is very different the people here. like i said, i am surprised that there are losers that takes this guys words as the scripture.
 

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....And "don't worry," heirs are still probably getting the remaining HDB leasehold anyway.

no parents should encashed their hdb. they will then lead a life of luxury. if the heir wants something, ask him to earn it himself.

bbc is totally without logic at this stage. he argues for the sake of arguing.
 

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If you trying to shield SA, you can check with CPF on which bond/bond etf can be invested by SA.
Yes trying. But am looking for short term capital guaranteed vehicle. Was thinking FD but like bro above informed it is no longer available. So next best is probably t bills. Not really into ETFs.
 

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Yes trying. But am looking for short term capital guaranteed vehicle. Was thinking FD but like bro above informed it is no longer available. So next best is probably t bills. Not really into ETFs.

Recently watch FSM expert said, there is 1 bond/income etf. Very stable, yearly gain about 3%. You can check it out if you want.
Bond UT also very stable.
 

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WP proposing to start payout from 60 yo. What are your thoughts?
 

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WP proposing to start payout from 60 yo. What are your thoughts?

I suppose they provided calculations, projections, etc. Do they make sense?

Without looking at those, sounds like meet in the middle between the current payout from 65 versus the return me all my CPF at 55 crowd.
 
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The above post shows you know nothing much about RSS and thus giving misinformation.

CPFB clearly stated that the default payout under RSS is about 20 years from relevant PEA, which can start from 60 to 65. I have explained why some got payout that's much less than 20 years and some got payout that stretched to 90. Actually for that some, the calculated payouts, based on CPF's calculation would stretch beyond 95, but limited to 95 initially. After some outcry, the limit is adjusted to 90 and the payout increased.

The only way for you know is to use the RSS calculator? That's because you are not familiar with RSS. If you know, RSS is much more transparent than CPFL. In fact you can even calculate the RSS payout yourself and the RA balance at any point of time until it is exhausted, if your are familiar with rules and rates.

There is no such thing as breakeven point for RSS as you get back whatever is yours if the RA is not exhausted by payouts by the time you uplorry.

For CPFL, you will not get back what's yours unless you uplorry above age 90 and the actual breakdown point above 90 would depend on the plan chosen. For those who chose Standard or Escalating plan, you lose big time if you uplorry about 80 plus and lesser as you approach 90.
I already wrote that the advantage for RSS is that the children can get what remains in the account.

Maybe my use of the term "break-even point" is wrong, but its very obvious what my point is.

You don't lose the biggest if you die from 80+ for CPF Life. Your loss is based on the age that you die. The earlier you die from 65, the bigger your loss is for CPF Life.

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You don't lose the biggest if you die from 80+ for CPF Life. Your loss is based on the age that you die. The earlier you die from 65, the bigger your loss is for CPF Life.

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this statement is not true if you are on cpflife basic. you "lose" very little if you die at 66

it is true of escalating and standard
 

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I suppose they provided calculations, projections, etc. Do they make sense?

Without looking at those, sounds like meet in the middle between the current payout from 65 versus the return me all my CPF at 55 crowd.



i do support wp idea of a early drawdown age. but they should leave the option of drawing down at 65 at 70 open.

cpf is just your own money. you draw at 60, you draw less. you draw at 70, you draw more.

having this option allows us to use the cpf should we need it earlier.
 

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Basic plan has more bequest is it?

basic plan is similar to rss. you take 20% out to buy annuity. the rest continue to earn interest till the fund runs out. you draw from your remaining fund till it runs out. when it runs out the cpflife will kick in and continue to pay you till you die.

your bequest is what is left in the funds when you die.

it seems like quite a good plan. but remember 20% of 180k(frs) is 36k. would you want to spend 36k to buy an insurance?
 

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i do support wp idea of a early drawdown age. but they should leave the option of drawing down at 65 at 70 open.

cpf is just your own money. you draw at 60, you draw less. you draw at 70, you draw more.

having this option allows us to use the cpf should we need it earlier.

Agree with more options!
 

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this statement is not true if you are on cpflife basic. you "lose" very little if you die at 66

it is true of escalating and standard

U have to explain a 3rd time, to another guy who refuse to admit his mistakes nor acknowledge he dunno what he dunno and yet continue to write what he dunno!
 

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WP proposing to start payout from 60 yo. What are your thoughts?
First of all, we already have a minimum CPF withdrawal age of 55. Some people can withdraw a lot (even the bulk) of their savings at 55, and others can withdraw a little. But you can already get a monthly payout of some size from age 60 to 65 (or even 55 to 65) if you wish: just make some withdrawals, paced within your pre-65 limit. If you wish, you can get a big monthly income from age 60 to 65 — over $1,500/month it looks like — if you simply make a property pledge or charge and start reducing your Retirement Account from the Full Retirement Sum to the Basic Retirement Sum at age 60, paced monthly. (Take $90,500 — the current 2020 difference between the FRS and BRS — and divide it by 60 months.) That’s way bigger than your BRS-level CPF LIFE monthly income would be.

In terms of the life annuity portion (CPF LIFE), with a hypothetical age 60 payout start you substantially reduce the monthly payout amount in both real and nominal terms. The nominal reduction in payout amount looks like it would be roughly 25% at least (based on a quick check using an annuity calculator) versus age 65 payout start. What this means in practice is that functional poverty among 60 to 64 year olds would decrease a little (among individuals who are “CPF poor,” not working, have no other sources of wealth, have already exhausted their age 55+ withdrawals, and/or don’t qualify for a hardship withdrawal), and poverty among 65+ year olds — particularly among 80+ and 90+ year olds — would increase rather more. That’s not a great trade!

If you are concerned about poverty within the age 60 to 64 bracket, then it’d be much better to solve that problem without increasing poverty among the oldest Singaporeans (often the same people in their future selves, plus more people), which is already worse than it should be. For example, if you are concerned about poverty due to disability, then you could tweak CareShield Life so that it has a 2 out of 6 ADLs disability definition for everyone under age 60 and a 1 out of 6 ADLs definition from age 60. That’ll increase CSL premiums (among those who can pay them — subsidies would also increase), but why not? And/or you could increase ComCare payouts and loosen eligibility, which in turn could be funded with an income tax increase — for example, a new 30% top income tax bracket starting at S$1 million. Or maybe an ABSD-like property tax, meaning you pay not only ABSD but also a higher property tax rate for second and subsequent holdings. This’d be a form of wealth tax. And/or tax interest paid by banks and other institutions in Singapore to depositors (foreign and domestic) on a tax withholding basis (the institution collects and remits the tax), at the same rate as GST. Add a portion of this interest tax to the GST rebate vouchers, and keep the rest.
 
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36k annuity pays how much per month?

All along for simplification, I just take the frs amount as the sum I paid for the annuity and just look at the monthly payout cause bequest is zero from around 80 I think? Or earlier.



basic plan is similar to rss. you take 20% out to buy annuity. the rest continue to earn interest till the fund runs out. you draw from your remaining fund till it runs out. when it runs out the cpflife will kick in and continue to pay you till you die.

your bequest is what is left in the funds when you die.

it seems like quite a good plan. but remember 20% of 180k(frs) is 36k. would you want to spend 36k to buy an insurance?
 

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One idea that could possibly be accepted in the future is to allow CPFL at an earlier age for those who attain ERS.

Afterall, the point of CPFL is to ensure a minimum level of income for the rest of your life, and ERS can achieve this objective earlier without compromising on that minimum. However, with the longer lifespan involved, it might be necessary to require an escalating plan to fight inflation.
 
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