Thanks guys.
In that case, since there is not going to be any marked difference, i'll just keep current setup till it dies on me. Furthermore, i can only sell such processor at $20-$30. Will not be looking fwd to SITEX then hurhur.
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In that case, since there is not going to be any marked difference, i'll just keep current setup till it dies on me. Furthermore, i can only sell such processor at $20-$30. Will not be looking fwd to SITEX then hurhur.
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1. The biggest problem with using SB right now is the lack of PCI-E 3.0.
2. Like I said so many times, Intel cares about
a) Mobile
b) Server
c) OEM PCs
in the order of priority as of 2014. Ergo, power consumption is king (including idle power consumption) when office users cannot distinguish b/w a Nehalem i3 and a Haswell i7 in a double blind test.
Use your intellect instead of your epeen: except for Civilization 5, Starcraft, and Total War players, will a 10GHz Haswell differ from a 4GHz Haswell, SSD included?
2. Like I said so many times, Intel cares about
a) Mobile
b) Server
c) OEM PCs
in the order of priority as of 2014. Ergo, power consumption is king (including idle power consumption) when office users cannot distinguish b/w a Nehalem i3 and a Haswell i7 in a double blind test.
Use your intellect instead of your epeen: except for Civilization 5, Starcraft, and Total War players, will a 10GHz Haswell differ from a 4GHz Haswell, SSD included?
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Actually I7 4790K is really the best performance Haswell CPU they can show hand right now. Even OC doesnt improve much. I think its more like they are hitting an advancement wall right now.
As for crippling performance, we will see it the first batch of Skylake CPU in early 2015. Those are real crippling to make Broadwell more "attractive"
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u forget Intel Core i7 5960X...
Hi Guys,
Nice thread.
Need some advice. Would I be correct to say my current Asrock Z68 extreme4 mobo with my i7 2600K (o/c to 4.5GHz), 16GB memory, would only need a graphics card upgrade? Currently having 6950@6970 x 2 CF.
Like to play titles like BF4 say at 1440p @ ultra settings
Thanks in advance
Nice thread.
Need some advice. Would I be correct to say my current Asrock Z68 extreme4 mobo with my i7 2600K (o/c to 4.5GHz), 16GB memory, would only need a graphics card upgrade? Currently having 6950@6970 x 2 CF.
Like to play titles like BF4 say at 1440p @ ultra settings
Thanks in advance
top-end GPU=Rest of the rig combined
Note that it's coming to (I think) 4 years since the GPU makers last transited to a process node (28nm).
Intel is already at 14nm. Look to late 2015-early 2016 for a huge GPU stepup at the 16nm process node. It will be a huge tick.
With every generation of GPUs, there will be games that'll push the hardware to their limit. Developers see what's on the horizon and code to take advantage. Buying into the muscle hardware jizz is hard on the pocket, and usually impractical for all but the diehard gamer. Find the sweet spot (e.g. i5+mid-range <150W TDP GPU) and mix-match for individual need.
Note that it's coming to (I think) 4 years since the GPU makers last transited to a process node (28nm).
Intel is already at 14nm. Look to late 2015-early 2016 for a huge GPU stepup at the 16nm process node. It will be a huge tick.
With every generation of GPUs, there will be games that'll push the hardware to their limit. Developers see what's on the horizon and code to take advantage. Buying into the muscle hardware jizz is hard on the pocket, and usually impractical for all but the diehard gamer. Find the sweet spot (e.g. i5+mid-range <150W TDP GPU) and mix-match for individual need.
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Yup. Ivy Bridge(AKA Sandy Bridge tweaked and more energy efficient) is already very efficient. Even at low speeds.
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***Poison Your K CPU Post***
Hmm.. I have scanned through hwz and have not really found a full article on overclocking, apart from the many results posts. This post is not to show the satkiness of oc, but to provide a reduced wot and consolidated information for those who are interested to try out the 'poison'.
For cpu overclock, the easiest and the most common way is to go to the bios, manually key in the desired cpu frequency and assign a voltage. For the above, you can either sync all the cores to match the frequency, or you can do the per clock overclock (which is similar to turbo boost frequency assignment in intel chips).
One of the most important thing in overclocking is not to be greedy. Be realistic and go for +200-+300mhz increment on all the cores at the start. After which, go at a +100mhz pace. Recommended 24/7 oc vcore value is about 1.2x with the FLT at about 70+ degrees. Of course you would be able to push the cpu further in an air conditioned room with custom wc systems but do note that assigning high vcore values 1.3x/1.4x reduces the life span of the chip/chipset. The system might be running stable during stress tests but in time to come, some oc-ers might face random and frequent bsod issues due to the irreversible damage done to the chip/chipset. Do note that while more expensive mobos do not overclock better, they do have better quality chipset, capac and mos which can withstand higher voltage and heat better than their normal counterparts.
1) Take an i7-4790k for example. Set the cpu frequency 4.4ghz (key '44') and sync all the cores in the bios. After which, assign a vcore value at either a high 1.1x or a low 1.2x. Run stress tests (subjective applications) for a couple of mins, and if you encounter a bsod, up the vcore value by 0.01/0.02. Repeat until system is stable. Do have a pen and paper or excel sheet to tabulate a table for the frequency and vcore values for self checking. Monitor the full load temp ALL THE TIME.
2) On the other hand, you can go for a particular vcore value, say 1.25 and try to achieve the maximum stable frequency by varying the cpu frequency in the bios. The steps are similar to the above, but instead of changing the vcore value, you are now playing with only the cpu frequency component.
3) As for the per core overclock, you can assign values like let's say 46 46 45 44 and enter a vcore value (follow the steps in 1). In per core overclocking, the system would run at 4.6ghz for low load applications, and 4.4ghz x 4 during high/full load applications. People who do this normally want to get that extra juice from their cpu since their chip might not be able to run 4.6ghz x 4 based on their system components without hitting bsods/high load temps.
=================================================================
4) More advanced and adventurous overclockers can play with bclk frequency/strap when working with highly oc-ed rams as blck frequency affects both the cpu and ram frequency (as well as pcie and sata! during oc). The former is abit dangerous to play with, and hence there is a bclk strap oc which would not affect pcie and sata during the process. By default, the bclk frequency is set at 100, and therefore for the previous steps, pumping 44 would give you 1*100*44 which is equivalent to your 4400mhz, or aka your 4.4ghz. The first component is your strap, the second is the bclk frequency and the third one is of course your cpu frequency ratio. For example, I can also go 1*110*41 to achieve a slightly better oc of about 4500mhz (4.5ghz), though it is advisable to go only 102-104 (+2 to +4) for a 24/7 stable oc. In bclk strap oc for example, I can use 1.25*100*36 to churn out a 4.5ghz. The straps come in 125(1.25)/166(1.66)/200(2.00)/233(2.33) for haswell components.
Apart from that, settings can be made to the load line calibration, cpu cache ratio and voltage as well to get that extra bit of overclock. Do note that the higher the frequency of your cpu, the lower the frequency the ram would be. There is a need for a compromise.
=================================================================
*Rule of thumb: Always stay reasonable and cool.
*Air cooling is not recommended for oc.
*i7 chips have lesser oc headroom as compared to their i5 counterpart (intel wants to cap the frequency at 4.x as always). They will feed you with a higher based clock chip, but.. oc-ers know it =).
*Do not try oc if you are already experiencing high load temps during gaming. OC burns your warranty as well. Ouch!
*You would see an improvement after oc in your productivity work.
*For gaming, if you have already gotten a stable and solid fps prior to oc-ing, you won't feel or see any benefits, apart from the even higher fps + heat.
*#WOT
Hmm.. I have scanned through hwz and have not really found a full article on overclocking, apart from the many results posts. This post is not to show the satkiness of oc, but to provide a reduced wot and consolidated information for those who are interested to try out the 'poison'.
For cpu overclock, the easiest and the most common way is to go to the bios, manually key in the desired cpu frequency and assign a voltage. For the above, you can either sync all the cores to match the frequency, or you can do the per clock overclock (which is similar to turbo boost frequency assignment in intel chips).
One of the most important thing in overclocking is not to be greedy. Be realistic and go for +200-+300mhz increment on all the cores at the start. After which, go at a +100mhz pace. Recommended 24/7 oc vcore value is about 1.2x with the FLT at about 70+ degrees. Of course you would be able to push the cpu further in an air conditioned room with custom wc systems but do note that assigning high vcore values 1.3x/1.4x reduces the life span of the chip/chipset. The system might be running stable during stress tests but in time to come, some oc-ers might face random and frequent bsod issues due to the irreversible damage done to the chip/chipset. Do note that while more expensive mobos do not overclock better, they do have better quality chipset, capac and mos which can withstand higher voltage and heat better than their normal counterparts.
1) Take an i7-4790k for example. Set the cpu frequency 4.4ghz (key '44') and sync all the cores in the bios. After which, assign a vcore value at either a high 1.1x or a low 1.2x. Run stress tests (subjective applications) for a couple of mins, and if you encounter a bsod, up the vcore value by 0.01/0.02. Repeat until system is stable. Do have a pen and paper or excel sheet to tabulate a table for the frequency and vcore values for self checking. Monitor the full load temp ALL THE TIME.
2) On the other hand, you can go for a particular vcore value, say 1.25 and try to achieve the maximum stable frequency by varying the cpu frequency in the bios. The steps are similar to the above, but instead of changing the vcore value, you are now playing with only the cpu frequency component.
3) As for the per core overclock, you can assign values like let's say 46 46 45 44 and enter a vcore value (follow the steps in 1). In per core overclocking, the system would run at 4.6ghz for low load applications, and 4.4ghz x 4 during high/full load applications. People who do this normally want to get that extra juice from their cpu since their chip might not be able to run 4.6ghz x 4 based on their system components without hitting bsods/high load temps.
=================================================================
4) More advanced and adventurous overclockers can play with bclk frequency/strap when working with highly oc-ed rams as blck frequency affects both the cpu and ram frequency (as well as pcie and sata! during oc). The former is abit dangerous to play with, and hence there is a bclk strap oc which would not affect pcie and sata during the process. By default, the bclk frequency is set at 100, and therefore for the previous steps, pumping 44 would give you 1*100*44 which is equivalent to your 4400mhz, or aka your 4.4ghz. The first component is your strap, the second is the bclk frequency and the third one is of course your cpu frequency ratio. For example, I can also go 1*110*41 to achieve a slightly better oc of about 4500mhz (4.5ghz), though it is advisable to go only 102-104 (+2 to +4) for a 24/7 stable oc. In bclk strap oc for example, I can use 1.25*100*36 to churn out a 4.5ghz. The straps come in 125(1.25)/166(1.66)/200(2.00)/233(2.33) for haswell components.
Apart from that, settings can be made to the load line calibration, cpu cache ratio and voltage as well to get that extra bit of overclock. Do note that the higher the frequency of your cpu, the lower the frequency the ram would be. There is a need for a compromise.
=================================================================
*Rule of thumb: Always stay reasonable and cool.
*Air cooling is not recommended for oc.
*i7 chips have lesser oc headroom as compared to their i5 counterpart (intel wants to cap the frequency at 4.x as always). They will feed you with a higher based clock chip, but.. oc-ers know it =).
*Do not try oc if you are already experiencing high load temps during gaming. OC burns your warranty as well. Ouch!
*You would see an improvement after oc in your productivity work.
*For gaming, if you have already gotten a stable and solid fps prior to oc-ing, you won't feel or see any benefits, apart from the even higher fps + heat.
*#WOT
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Productivity applications (take video rendering for eg) like powerdirector and adobe ppcc/cloud apps still require brute frequency on all the cores to encode files in a lesser amount of time (not even talking about those professional 3d rendering softwares.. yet). Do note that for your case (and in fact for the majority of the peeps here), you do not find the need to oc as the main purpose of your rig is for gaming, not content creation. Furthermore, how many consumers here can afford the 6-xx cores? And directx12.. see ya in 2015. Haha if I can afford to I would also like to go to the x99 or x79 platform to take benefits of the extra cores but then again, the cost is.. Therefore for normal consumers who are limited by cores, threads and cost, we have to go back to the old school method of T=1/F. Another aspect of oc is just for fun.. not really a need like what you have mentioned previously for most peeps. But simply, for FUN.
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