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[mooseolly]

If TW gov cannot accept that it would have been closed down, no?

You don’t know they already did?
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/11/19/2003747178

As of now can only watch on youtube.

 

[Apparatus]

You don’t know they already did?
https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2020/11/19/2003747178

As of now can only watch on youtube.

How come still existing?

Why YT not pro-US? No ban CTI if anti-US?

 

[lifeisinforashock]

Indeed Tharman's speech has somewhat interfered in SG's foreign policy. President no executive power.

 

[mooseolly]

How come still existing?

Why YT not pro-US? No ban CTI if anti-US?

Your question very funny. Why would Taiwan ban youtube when youtube is from US? You think is like China ban youtube is it?

Anyone is free to post on youtube.

 

[Apparatus]

Your question very funny. Why would Taiwan ban youtube when youtube is from US? You think is like China ban youtube is it?

Anyone is free to post on youtube.

I neber say TW ban YT. I said why YT no ban CTI if the latter is anti-US

Is YT pro or anti-US?

 

[mooseolly]

I neber say TW ban YT. I said why YT no ban CTI if the latter is anti-US

YT also got Russia content so what you are driving at? As long as don’t violate youtube policy they can stay.

 

[Apparatus]

YT also got Russia content so what you are driving at? As long as don’t violate youtube policy they can stay.

YT belongs to Google which is pro-US, no? So no censorship by YT on anti-US news?

 

[mooseolly]

YT belongs to Google which is pro-US, no? So no censorship by YT on anti-US news?

Didn’t you just posted one?

 

[Orphan]

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The Chinese translation of the lecture does not seem to have translated correctly what Tharman actually said in English at the forum.

That led to an even worse interpretation by people who are trying their hardest to be offended and by people trying to manipulate others for their own agenda.


Zaobao's article:
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20251016-7675945
中美关系要找到稳定的平衡点，关键在于中国能否继续与美国、欧洲及其他主要科技体互相依靠，同时持续发展，而不是走向完全自给自足的路线。



The actual full transcript in English:
https://www.istana.gov.sg/Newsroom/...ture-2025-By-President-Tharman-Shanmugaratnam



The 2 are very different. What was actually said in English:
The real question, therefore, is not whether China will catch up, or even take the lead in some key technologies. It is whether China advances while maintaining interdependence with the US, Europe, and other major technology players, or advances through a strategy of self-reliance.



So the Chinese article is saying something that's entirely different from what pineapple said. Translator from Zaobao fail jialat jialat...

Heng limpeh multi-lingual. If not, limpeh will be like the kumgongs in the video and only read just the mistranslated Chinese version then jump to all kinds of conclusions.

 

[Apparatus]

The Chinese translation of the lecture does not seem to have translated correctly what Tharman actually said in English at the forum.

That led to an even worse interpretation by people who are trying their hardest to be offended and by people trying to manipulate others for their own agenda.


Zaobao's article:
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20251016-7675945
中美关系要找到稳定的平衡点，关键在于中国能否继续与美国、欧洲及其他主要科技体互相依靠，同时持续发展，而不是走向完全自给自足的路线。



The actual full transcript in English:
https://www.istana.gov.sg/Newsroom/...ture-2025-By-President-Tharman-Shanmugaratnam



The 2 are very different. What was actually said in English:
The real question, therefore, is not whether China will catch up, or even take the lead in some key technologies. It is whether China advances while maintaining interdependence with the US, Europe, and other major technology players, or advances through a strategy of self-reliance.



So the Chinese article is saying sonething that's entirely different from what pineapple said. Translator from Zaobao fail jialat jialat...

Heng limpeh multi-lingual. If not, limpeh will be like the kumgongs in the video and only read just the mistranslated Chinese version then jump to all kinds of conclusions.

If China don't walk her ways will the US/Europe not gang up and bully her? Isn't this what the TW guy was trying to say?

Example is the DUV/EUV machines. US and her allies ban the sale to China so she has no choice but to build one herself. Another is Nvidia's GPU and chips

 

[coyote]

Only these? No others like WSJ, Fox News, CNN, BBC, Newsweek etc?

I am not familiar with those and which sides they are on, dems or republican.

 

[Apparatus]

I am not familiar with those and which sides they are on, dems or republican.

Doesn't matter which side. What's important is are they pro-US or anti-China? They are world newsmedia, ok?

 

[Orphan]

If China don't walk her ways will the US/Europe not gang up and bully her? Isn't this what the TW guy was trying to say?

What the TW guy said is not what Tharman said.

My issue is people manipulating others for their own agenda.

别拿我们当枪使。

 

[Apparatus]

What the TW guy said is not what Tharman said.

My issue is people manipulating others for their own agenda.

别拿我们当枪使。

I think they are referring to our official chinese media and commenting on it

Isn't Zaobao our official chinese media? If it has interpreted wrongly don't you think it should have come out with the correct version and apologize?

Or someone high should have noticed and ask Zaobao to correct it?

 

[Orphan]

Example is the DUV/EUV machines. US and her allies ban the sale to China so she has no choice but to build one herself. Another is Nvidia's GPU and chips

Replying to the addendum after your edit.

I fully support China building their own tech. I dislike monopolies. I think China did the right thing and did a good job at it.

I can give another example of Western powers blocking China from participating in the ISS program and now China has their own very successful program.



However, trying to put words into our mouths to discredit us or use us as a foil is disingenuous and dangerous.

In no way what pineapple actually said is meant to 指手画脚 or can be translated as 风凉话。



It is also just as bad trying to force us to take a stance of "if you are not with us, you are against us". We are not primary school kids "if you friend him, I dun friend you anymore."

 

[keewee0415]

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原来这就是所谓的风良话？
和风凉话有很大的不同喔！

 

[Orphan]

I think they are referring to our official chinese media and commenting on it

Isn't Zaobao our official chinese media? If it has interpreted wrongly don't you think it should have come out with the correct version and apologize?

Or someone high should have noticed and ask Zaobao to correct it?

Yes, the Chinese article is taken from zaobao. I even provided a link to the zaobao article and called them out for failing the translation.

I take it that you can read Chinese, and can tell the difference between what was actually recorded in the full transcript released by the Istana, vs what zaobao said.

I also take it that you are a discerning individual who can tell the transcript is a matter of fact, and that the translation is incorrect, whether or not they have been issued a correction notice.

 

[Apparatus]

Yes, the Chinese article is taken from zaobao. I even provided a link to the zaobao article and called them out for failing the translation.

I take it that you can read Chinese, and can tell the difference between what was actually recorded in the full transcript released by the Istana, vs what zaobao said.

I also take it that you are a discerning individual who can tell the transcript is a matter of fact, and that the translation is incorrect, whether or not they have been issued a correction notice.

Then why the article still exists and not removed?

 

[Orphan]

Then why the article still exists and not removed?

And that's your basis that something is true and correct?

Instead of fact checking when presented with evidence and critical thinking, you are trying to distract from the underlying truth by relying on a strawman arguement of "if they made a mistake, why police never catch them? Huh? Huh!?"

 

[Coaster]

The Chinese translation of the lecture does not seem to have translated correctly what Tharman actually said in English at the forum.

That led to an even worse interpretation by people who are trying their hardest to be offended and by people trying to manipulate others for their own agenda.


Zaobao's article:
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/news/singapore/story20251016-7675945
中美关系要找到稳定的平衡点，关键在于中国能否继续与美国、欧洲及其他主要科技体互相依靠，同时持续发展，而不是走向完全自给自足的路线。



The actual full transcript in English:
https://www.istana.gov.sg/Newsroom/...ture-2025-By-President-Tharman-Shanmugaratnam



The 2 are very different. What was actually said in English:
The real question, therefore, is not whether China will catch up, or even take the lead in some key technologies. It is whether China advances while maintaining interdependence with the US, Europe, and other major technology players, or advances through a strategy of self-reliance.



So the Chinese article is saying something that's entirely different from what pineapple said. Translator from Zaobao fail jialat jialat...

Heng limpeh multi-lingual. If not, limpeh will be like the kumgongs in the video and only read just the mistranslated Chinese version then jump to all kinds of conclusions.

I was surprise to hear what's reported in the video. Now I understand. Our ZB fault.
蔡正元 lately very antagonistic toward Singapore.