Custom ready to ship or DIY?

[MilleniumX]

Hi all, thinking of building out a rig mainly use to do simple work and some gaming (not online, just single player).

Have lost touch with the PC world, so started with Invaderpc ready to ship rig. Some looks good and value for money. Looking for something around 2k-ish. I have a mi 34 wide inch monitor which I use mainly for work, so would like to stick to that for now and can consider changing in future

Example from Invader PC: $1,859

AMD RYZEN 7 7800X3D 4.2GHz 8CORE/16THREAD
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
COOLER MASTER MASTER LIQUID 240L CORE ARGB
KINGSTON FURY BEAST RGB 6000MHz 16GB(8GBx2) CL36
SAPPHIRE AMD RADEON PULSE RX 7800XT
CRUCIAL P3 PLUS 1TB GEN4 NVMe M.2
SILVERSTONE ET750-G 750W 80+ GOLD
TECWARE VXM EVO ARGB BLACK TEMPERED GLASS
3 X 120MM ARGB FANS
HIGH-SPEED AX WIRELESS AND BT | WIFI 6 + BT 5.2

Some questions:

1) Should I go for 7800XT or a 4070 Super? I read that the 4070 Super is at a good price to performance point. Feels like these 2 are at similar price points but the 7800XT is 16GB. Which one would last longer if I dont actually need to max out my settings on all the games?
2) On CPU, do I need 7800X3D, or that is an overkill for the rest of the stuff there?
3) I feel 16GB ram is a bit low, would likely go for 32GB?
4) There are some rigs that use different brand cards, like the ASUS TUF GAMING AMD RADEON RX 7800XT O16G instead. Does it actually make a big difference in terms of the brand?
5) I am also open to DIY the rig . I used a recent price list from Fuwell and it is actually more expensive to add it up. Am I missing something, or should I typically ask for a discount? given most people say DIY turns out to be cheaper
6) If I go DIY, any suggestions on items to change from the above rig? it doesn't have to be this rig but I just use it as a starting point.

Thanks all!

 

[nez]

Hi all, thinking of building out a rig mainly use to do simple work and some gaming (not online, just single player).

Have lost touch with the PC world, so started with Invaderpc ready to ship rig. Some looks good and value for money. Looking for something around 2k-ish. I have a mi 34 wide inch monitor which I use mainly for work, so would like to stick to that for now and can consider changing in future

Example from Invader PC: $1,859

AMD RYZEN 7 7800X3D 4.2GHz 8CORE/16THREAD
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
COOLER MASTER MASTER LIQUID 240L CORE ARGB
KINGSTON FURY BEAST RGB 6000MHz 16GB(8GBx2) CL36
SAPPHIRE AMD RADEON PULSE RX 7800XT
CRUCIAL P3 PLUS 1TB GEN4 NVMe M.2
SILVERSTONE ET750-G 750W 80+ GOLD
TECWARE VXM EVO ARGB BLACK TEMPERED GLASS
3 X 120MM ARGB FANS
HIGH-SPEED AX WIRELESS AND BT | WIFI 6 + BT 5.2

Some questions:

1) Should I go for 7800XT or a 4070 Super? I read that the 4070 Super is at a good price to performance point. Feels like these 2 are at similar price points but the 7800XT is 16GB. Which one would last longer if I dont actually need to max out my settings on all the games?
2) On CPU, do I need 7800X3D, or that is an overkill for the rest of the stuff there?
3) I feel 16GB ram is a bit low, would likely go for 32GB?
4) There are some rigs that use different brand cards, like the ASUS TUF GAMING AMD RADEON RX 7800XT O16G instead. Does it actually make a big difference in terms of the brand?
5) I am also open to DIY the rig . I used a recent price list from Fuwell and it is actually more expensive to add it up. Am I missing something, or should I typically ask for a discount? given most people say DIY turns out to be cheaper
6) If I go DIY, any suggestions on items to change from the above rig? it doesn't have to be this rig but I just use it as a starting point.

Thanks all!

Just go to the shop to buy the parts and ask them to build will still be cheaper, I think.
Personally, I rather get the parts and set it up myself

 

[NightRaven49]

Should I go for 7800XT or a 4070 Super? I read that the 4070 Super is at a good price to performance point. Feels like these 2 are at similar price points but the 7800XT is 16GB. Which one would last longer if I dont actually need to max out my settings on all the games?

kinda depends on the games u play, whether they support nvidia features. raytracing is one area where the 4070s does win big, and dlss is another in terms of image quality. but if u play mostly raster games, then the 7800xt generally offers about 95% the performance of the 4070s at a lower price point ($200-300 discount). and as u mentioned, the larger vram buffer does help in longevity, as we're already seeing games teetering on the edge if not exceeding 8gb of vram which was considered more than sufficient not too long ago.

On CPU, do I need 7800X3D, or that is an overkill for the rest of the stuff there?

depends on ur monitor. if u game at lower resolutions like 1080p, then the 7800x3d will more likely than not be the bottleneck later than most other cpus. but u mentioned u are using a 34", which is most likely a 1440p or even 4k monitor, where the differences to a cheaper cpu in games will be diminished.

I feel 16GB ram is a bit low, would likely go for 32GB?

if u have the budget sure.

There are some rigs that use different brand cards, like the ASUS TUF GAMING AMD RADEON RX 7800XT O16G instead. Does it actually make a big difference in terms of the brand?

nope. but specific models cool differently from one another, leading to different acoustic profiles (ie softer or louder running fans). u can research online for comparisons, though for the 7800xt specifically, the powercolor hellhound is the best in this regard being the coolest and quietest. stock for that seemed plenty when i dropped by sls couple of days ago, as opposed to last year.

I am also open to DIY the rig . I used a recent price list from Fuwell and it is actually more expensive to add it up. Am I missing something, or should I typically ask for a discount? given most people say DIY turns out to be cheaper

thats partially because u only used fuwell, which imo has one of the worse prices in sls. was quite shocked to see its shop space in sls cut in half recently, now is some leather shop in the other half, not sure if their business good or not. usually diy if u source from different places can match prebuilt at the high and low end, but the middle ground which is around where u are shopping, prebuilds are quite competitive nowadays.

If I go DIY, any suggestions on items to change from the above rig? it doesn't have to be this rig but I just use it as a starting point.

u can refer to here:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/diy-pc-rig-recommendations-for-2024.6852056/
but as mentioned above, u will be getting a slightly worse rig around ur price point as prebuild deals are good here.

 

[KYZT2021]

recently so many asking

 

[Goodshot]

Ram definitely go 32GB onward, no less

 

[MilleniumX]

kinda depends on the games u play, whether they support nvidia features. raytracing is one area where the 4070s does win big, and dlss is another in terms of image quality. but if u play mostly raster games, then the 7800xt generally offers about 95% the performance of the 4070s at a lower price point ($200-300 discount). and as u mentioned, the larger vram buffer does help in longevity, as we're already seeing games teetering on the edge if not exceeding 8gb of vram which was considered more than sufficient not too long ago.

depends on ur monitor. if u game at lower resolutions like 1080p, then the 7800x3d will more likely than not be the bottleneck later than most other cpus. but u mentioned u are using a 34", which is most likely a 1440p or even 4k monitor, where the differences to a cheaper cpu in games will be diminished.

Wow, thanks for the very comprehensive reply.

My monitor runs max 1440p (although its not a gaming monitor). If that's the case, is it okay to pair the 7800x3d CPU with the 7800xt GPU? or the CPU and GPU are not at the right "level" - ie either CPU or GPU is a more powerful?

Any other items you would suggest to change out?

From reading your response, feels like I could potentially go with a ready to build and it may be cheaper than a DIY.. i may just go down that path to save some issues with trouble shooting

I also saw your various rigs suggestions, very helpful! However, missing the one in between the enthu gaming and high performance gaming

 

[NightRaven49]

My monitor runs max 1440p (although its not a gaming monitor). If that's the case, is it okay to pair the 7800x3d CPU with the 7800xt GPU? or the CPU and GPU are not at the right "level" - ie either CPU or GPU is a more powerful?

well balancing between the cpu and gpu is not an exact science and varies from app to app. since u are gaming at a higher resolution, u can save some money on the cpu as the gpu is generally the main lever of performance. invader does offer a similar build but with the 7500f for about $300 less off the top of my head, so that may be more suitable if u are concerned with value and balance, as u likely wont notice that much of a difference.

I also saw your various rigs suggestions, very helpful! However, missing the one in between the enthu gaming and high performance gaming

nothing really exciting within that price category. if u want something more powerful than the 7800xt, u can just take the enthu reco and swap the gpu for something u prefer.

 

[MilleniumX]

Thanks for your inputs. I am starting to narrow down to 2 options:

Option 1: ~$1,650

• AMD RYZEN 5 7500F 3.7GHz 6CORE/12THREAD
• ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
• THERMALRIGHT ASSASSIN X 120 R SE ARGB
• CORSAIR VENG RGB DDR5 AMD EXPO 6000MHz 32GB
• SSAPPHIRE AMD RADEON PULSE RX 7800XT
• CRUCIAL P3 PLUS 1TB GEN4 NVMe M.2
• SILVERSTONE ET750-G 750W 80+ GOLD
• COOLER MASTER CMP 320 CASING

Option 2: ~$2,150

• AMD RYZEN 7 7800X3D 4.2GHz 8CORE/16THREAD
• ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI DDR5
• COOLER MASTER MASTER LIQUID 240L CORE ARGB
• CORSAIR VENG RGB DDR5 AMD EXPO 6000MHz 32GB
• MSI GeForce RTX™ 4070 SUPER VENTUS 2X 12GB
• WD BLACK SN770 1TB GEN4 NVME M.2 SSD
• SILVERSTONE ET750-G 750W 80+ GOLD
• TECWARE VXM EVO ARGB BLACK TEMPERED GLASS

Some questions
1) Is the improved CPU and GPU worth the say $500 extra, or I am better off getting Option 1 and doing an upgrade in a couple of years time? Feels to me that if the 7800XT performs almost as well as 4070S in most games (if all the Nvidia tech is not important to me), I am paying $500 for the CPU upgrade which is very pricey
2) Assume either set up is quite future proof and would allow me to upgrade in a few years time?
3) With either option, would you consider changing out any parts? Especially considering that Option 1 is close to the "enthusiast gaming rig" that you have developed.
4) I may still consider DIY if that turns out to be cheaper for either configuration, I have not checked it to be honest. But generally it feels (as you have said) that these ready made ones are priced very competitively.
5) Lastly, I know I can never time the discounts and all, but do we know that there is a typically better sale coming up, or if new products are going to be announced soon? (eg for iphone, we know the new model comes out in Sep every year so I wouldnt buy a new one in end Aug)

 

[ragnarok95]

I will skip all cpus that doesn't have integrated graphic, which include the 7500F. Paying a bit more for integrated graphic is more ideal and on the safer route, in the event that you need to troubleshoot, with the cpu alone, you still have video access without the gpu.

AMD 600 series motherboard support upcoming Ryzen 9000 cpus too and if i want to buy a AMD now, i will just go for a 7800X3D and stay with it for the next 2-3 yrs, then change to either 9000 cpus or newer.

GPU wise you can consider 7900GRE, it's a much better gpu than 7800XT. 7900GRE and 4070Super, just get the card that you prefer best.

 

[NightRaven49]

Is the improved CPU and GPU worth the say $500 extra, or I am better off getting Option 1 and doing an upgrade in a couple of years time?

Assume either set up is quite future proof and would allow me to upgrade in a few years time?

that $500 top up is ~30% the price of option 1, but option 2 brings only about a 10-15% uplift in performance at most. futureproofing on pcs is a myth anyway imo, especially when a new gen of parts is coming out soon. option 1 is already reasonably powerful for today, and upgrading both gpu and cpu should be fairly straightforward.

With either option, would you consider changing out any parts?

i would skip the corsair vengeance and opt for gskills 6000c30 kit, at least on the 7500f build. would also be a good idea to top up for the rog strix 750w (psu) and the sn850x (ssd upgrade, not add on).
with these upgrades, option 1 should be actually quite close to diy (the enthu reco provisions $150 for the case, and the cmp320 is dirt cheap), but at least u dont have to run around stores and u get 1y onsite.

GPU wise you can consider 7900GRE, it's a much better gpu than 7800XT. 7900GRE and 4070Super, just get the card that you prefer best.

7900gre is barely faster than 7800xt and not offered by invader.

 

[ragnarok95]

Performance
Averaged over our whole benchmark suite at 1440p, the RX 7900 GRE reaches performance levels that slightly outperform the RTX 4070 Super in rasterization—a major success. The gap to RTX 4070 Ti is only 4%, and the RTX 4070 Ti Super isn't that far away with +10%. AMD's own Radeon RX 7900 XT is 14% faster and the 7900 XTX is 30% ahead—a very even distribution of performance levels. Compared to last-generation's RX 6900 XT, the RX 7900 GRE offers an 8.5% performance uplift, and the lead over the RX 7800 XT is +12%. It's impressive to see that the RX 7900 GRE is able to match last-generation's RTX 3090 flagship—at much more affordable pricing.

+12% over 7800XT is not just barely faster. +2% then yes, barely faster. Since its not offered then no choice get either 78XT or 4070Super.

 

[NightRaven49]

+12% over 7800XT is not just barely faster. +2% then yes, barely faster.

12% over reference* 7800xt. 7900gre aib cards are shown to achieve about 69fps @ 4k, with the reference 7800xt at 62.3fps; tpu shows its aib 7800xts having a 2-3% boost over reference, so this is about 64fps. this means more often than not, the gre is less than 10% ahead (closer to 7-8%). not much difference imo, so might as well settle on the 7800xt for cheaper. but sure if u are willing to tinker with it and ungimp the memory speeds, it would be quite worth it since u could potentially catch a 4070tiS with it maxed out oc.

 

[ragnarok95]

7800xt is 739. 7900gre is 765. I will just get the 7900gre even it’s a 2 fans solution. But since invader only have 78XT and 4070S then no choice have to stick to either one.

 

[NightRaven49]

7900gre is 765. I will just get the 7900gre even it’s a 2 fans solution.

sold out at that price.

 

[ragnarok95]

sold out at that price.

7900gre? Good buy. Made the right choice over the 78XT. Luckily I didn’t get the 78XT that time.

 

[NightRaven49]

7900gre? Good buy. Made the right choice over the 78XT.

me? nah, still on my 5yo 580

Luckily I didn’t get the 78XT that time.

u got a 4070ti, different price and performance class.

 

[Goodshot]

I will skip all cpus that doesn't have integrated graphic, which include the 7500F. Paying a bit more for integrated graphic is more ideal and on the safer route, in the event that you need to troubleshoot, with the cpu alone, you still have video access without the gpu.

AMD 600 series motherboard support upcoming Ryzen 9000 cpus too and if i want to buy a AMD now, i will just go for a 7800X3D and stay with it for the next 2-3 yrs, then change to either 9000 cpus or newer.

GPU wise you can consider 7900GRE, it's a much better gpu than 7800XT. 7900GRE and 4070Super, just get the card that you prefer best.

Should be fine ba , if no onboard i just go tabao buy a $10 gtx610 lol. Just keep aside incase main card got issue

 

[MilleniumX]

i would skip the corsair vengeance and opt for gskills 6000c30 kit, at least on the 7500f build. would also be a good idea to top up for the rog strix 750w (psu) and the sn850x (ssd upgrade, not add on).
with these upgrades, option 1 should be actually quite close to diy (the enthu reco provisions $150 for the case, and the cmp320 is dirt cheap), but at least u dont have to run around stores and u get 1y onsite.

Thanks for the suggestions. If I change these items, it narrows the gap to the higher end 7800X3D down to $300. I appreciate this will be a never ending compare. On the SSD upgrade suggestion, what are the key benefits - is it for speed? Then for the PSU, is it for more stable / better power? Just wanted to understand what the differences will provide

7800xt is 739. 7900gre is 765. I will just get the 7900gre even it’s a 2 fans solution. But since invader only have 78XT and 4070S then no choice have to stick to either one.

Wow, the prices have indeed moved up a lot. I could actually ask Invader and see if they could switch out the GPU as I see the listing for 7900gre on Dynacore. The Sapphire Pro 7900GRE is $859, while the Nitro+ 7900GRE is $889. This compares to the Radeon Pulse 7800XT for $769. Is there another brand that is better priced?

 

[NightRaven49]

If I change these items, it narrows the gap to the higher end 7800X3D down to $300.

well those suggestions are for the 78x3d build too, so the gap shouldnt change drastically after applying the changes to both builds. even at this $300 difference, the performance uplift doesnt justify the top up.

On the SSD upgrade suggestion, what are the key benefits - is it for speed? Then for the PSU, is it for more stable / better power?

both are for reliability and longevity. the sn850x is faster yes, but more importantly it has a dram cache, which helps in responsiveness (important for os drive) and endurance of the drive (p3 plus 220tbw vs sn850x 600tbw, tlc also helps). the psu is known to have good power delivery and protections, and has double the warranty over the base et750g (5y vs 10y). these are not expensive upgrades at this price point and are worth for additional peace of mind imo, though the sn850x upgrade is chop carrot head one: charging $75 for it compared to just $45 difference on dynacore pricelist.

I could actually ask Invader and see if they could switch out the GPU as I see the listing for 7900gre on Dynacore.

if they get back to u with a quote that is 10% more expensive or even higher, dont bother.

 

[ragnarok95]

Wow, the prices have indeed moved up a lot. I could actually ask Invader and see if they could switch out the GPU as I see the listing for 7900gre on Dynacore. The Sapphire Pro 7900GRE is $859, while the Nitro+ 7900GRE is $889. This compares to the Radeon Pulse 7800XT for $769. Is there another brand that is better priced?

Should be the Sapphire pure 7900GRE. If the diff is $90 then you can consider to change. If they charge you way more, then just skip.