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Last time I criticised on this crap and I got blasted left right centre. To see whether this can work or not, see whether Piyush San go all in. If today 80% of his assets are in this DBS robo, then it is gold else you know the answer.
Same thing about the CIO. He dare to all in into the crap he manage?
 

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Roboadvisors are not popular investment tools and the bloggers probably get more money peddling brokerages instead lol

I took a quick look at the income portfolio and cash offering. Damn it sucks. You are buying the same expensive funds from dollardex/ POEMS with trailer fees embedded, and still have to pay DBS a management fee?

The only good thing about these portfolios is that you don't have a RM shoving your products down your throat, or forcing you to leverage to increase your yield.

People who buys DBS digitportfolio products are unfortunately uneducated folks who value convenience over returns/costs. Idk maybe DBS CIO really that powerful that he can manage to bring extra 1-2% returns to justify his higher cost?
I don’t believe all these ****. Even buffet and Dalio cannot. CIO is simi kar? You go google the names of his analysts, I wont be surprised if they comprised of some average joes + some fresh grads
 

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Last time I criticised on this crap and I got blasted left right centre. To see whether this can work or not, see whether Piyush San go all in. If today 80% of his assets are in this DBS robo, then it is gold else you know the answer.
Same thing about the CIO. He dare to all in into the crap he manage?

I don’t believe all these ****. Even buffet and Dalio cannot. CIO is simi kar? You go google the names of his analysts, I wont be surprised if they comprised of some average joes + some fresh grads
tbh have you ever taken a step back and think why those wealthier people, despite not doing DIY and allow bankers to help them investment, still end up being wealthier than those who DIY who supposedly think "they got the better deal"?
 

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tbh have you ever taken a step back and think why those wealthier people, despite not doing DIY and allow bankers to help them investment, still end up being wealthier than those who DIY who supposedly think "they got the better deal"?
How do you know those ppl won’t be better off if they just do s&p500? Any data to show? I do etf and I know my returns better than digiportfolio. But that is me. I don’t know how other ppl performs.
 

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How do you know those ppl won’t be better off if they just do s&p500? Any data to show? I do etf and I know my returns better than digiportfolio. But that is me. I don’t know how other ppl performs.
can backtest. but that's besides the point of what i am trying to say.

The point i'm saying is if retailers are that proficient in this area and able to DIY and don't trust bankers, it is curious that why they may not be as wealthy or even wealthier than those wealthy who just throw it to bankers to get it sorted.
 

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can backtest. but that's besides the point of what i am trying to say.

The point i'm saying is if retailers are that proficient in this area and able to DIY and don't trust bankers, it is curious that why they may not be as wealthy or even wealthier than those wealthy who just throw it to bankers to get it sorted.
Difference is the initial amount they have. Just like buffet perform worst off than S&P and you can do twice better. But you can’t beat buffet because he started with billions and you have millions. Make sense? A lot of these rich ppl who banks and invest with DBS earns their money somewhere else
 

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Difference is the initial amount they have. Just like buffet perform worst off than S&P and you can do twice better. But you can’t beat buffet because he started with billions and you have millions. Make sense? A lot of these rich ppl who banks and invest with DBS earns their money somewhere else
nope. buffett didn't start with billions...

you see, then the qns would be all these wealthy people, if they earn their money somewhere else, they must be quite smart/genius to be earning that much right?

If bankers are such con artists, why all these wealthy people, who are wealthy because they are smart/genius and earn their money elsewhere, still decide to go with bankers??

a bit illogical right?

whereas those retailers who think they are smart/genius who DIY and don't trust bankers, not be as wealthy?

don't you find it mysterious?
 

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I don’t believe all these ****. Even buffet and Dalio cannot. CIO is simi kar? You go google the names of his analysts, I wont be surprised if they comprised of some average joes + some fresh grads
It's not easy to beat the market/index over the long term in the first place. People still don't get it.

How do you know those ppl won’t be better off if they just do s&p500? Any data to show? I do etf and I know my returns better than digiportfolio. But that is me. I don’t know how other ppl performs.
They just fit some past data and say their "historical performance" is better than index. Look. Some people will do better, some people will do worse. Just because some managed to luck out with short term outperformance doesn't mean it's a good solution.

Investing 101, but again, the same people who look at digitportfolio in the first place are probably not smart enough to discern what's right or wrong anyway.



Anyway, I just want to make a final point that the whole point of using robos for newbies is not necessarily to beat buying VWRA/S&P500 on IBKR.

It's really for convenience, especially when investing in a range of products, at a risk level suitable for them.

Is DBS digitportfolio low cost? Yes, cheaper than what you can get from DBS RMs that charge ridiculous sales charges AND management fees. But cheaper than IBKR? Definitely no.

Cheaper than pure play robos like Endowus? No as well. Wtf they still take trailer fees and take an absurd usdsgd bid-ask spread.

Dbs/OCBC/UOB robos just suck la... Just something to appease their shareholders and clueless board of directors...
 

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nope. buffett didn't start with billions...

you see, then the qns would be all these wealthy people, if they earn their money somewhere else, they must be quite smart/genius to be earning that much right?

If bankers are such con artists, why all these wealthy people, who are wealthy because they are smart/genius and earn their money elsewhere, still decide to go with bankers??

a bit illogical right?

whereas those retailers who think they are smart/genius who DIY and don't trust bankers, not be as wealthy?

don't you find it mysterious?
Is there data to show that the rich are investing in digiportfolio?
Or banking investment products? At the same rates as the ordinary retail investor?
 

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It's not easy to beat the market/index over the long term in the first place. People still don't get it.
Thanks for your market contribution. Based on your posts, you've likely just started and your contribution will likely continue.
 

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Anyone still using this? Is it that bad? Will it be better if someone just diy into us etf in ibkr?
 

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Anyone still using this? Is it that bad? Will it be better if someone just diy into us etf in ibkr?

Certainly didn't sell it off when it was down by 15%, if that is what you're asking. What sort a moron would do that with an equity investment?
 

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Just noticed that DBS decided to hide the poor decision making of their Asia Portfolio holdings by selling CFA.SI in October 2024.

My portfolio is still down 8.5% after 4.5 years.
 

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How did they hide?
If they sell all the holdings, it no longer appears in the breakdown with a big fat -20% or something.

They switched to Lion-Phillip S-REIT ETF which hasn't done well since, with -4.38% right now.

Really reminding me of the StashAway KWEB saga in 2022.
 
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