DBS down again 2 May 2024

[kl2015]

I guess you have not been in the business of employing ppl hence you don’t realise that it’s not so easy to find good talents especially at the senior level. (1st reply below)

n it might end up costing more.

If you are the CEO, will you remain as a CEO n be paid 20% to do the same work? (my second reply below)

http://www.cpib.gov.sg/e-services/e-complaint-for-corrupt-conduct/

Here’s the link to file a complaint since you have evidence to suggest criminal wrong doing.

do everyone a favour. Thanks!

my 1st reply-

actually there is good talent, just that are we looking deep enough and willing to groom them into successor.

my second reply=
why not? still a salary. not reduce from 500k to 1k, just reduce to 30k, 20k as punishment.
once the system stabilise and no more disruption slowly increase back


my last reply to your last line of post=

I tried last time in Malaysia, somehow they know it was me, now its difficult to find job because they find me as person who will not bow down to elites

 

[sohguanh]

u know they can just quit and leave right?
and let the other ppl solve it?

Your same statement also apply to our Parliament do you see them leaving? Only when earn enough then yes else fill in the blanks yourself

 

[reddevil0728]

my 1st reply-

actually there is good talent, just that are we looking deep enough and willing to groom them into successor.

Here’s the thing right. What you just said is subjective, n ultimately the voice that matters is the employer n not any other people.

so they just see it differently from you.

my second reply=
why not? still a salary. not reduce from 500k to 1k, just reduce to 30k, 20k as punishment.
once the system stabilise and no more disruption slowly increase back

Imagine that’s you. You will do that?

my last reply to your last line of post=

I tried last time in Malaysia, somehow they know it was me, now its difficult to find job because they find me as person who will not bow down to elites

I dunno about Malaysia, but this is Singapore.

 

[sohguanh]

I in IT software development line coming to 30 years. All I can say is transitioning to a new stack is not trivial at all. Most employers want to do migration from old system to new system which is a big challenge by itself already.

Hence most employers prefer the softer approach new system slowly build up while old system continue to function.

E.g IBM mainframe to Unix last time in STC aka Turf Club is a nightmare. Terminate vendor resend quotes for salvage existing system by terminated vendor etc. How I now is I work there in their IT department. But they did cut over to Unix eventually.

Bank IT system will be many many times more complex than STC I am very sure. So the downtime is expected. It is not the number of IT ppl that make the transition it is the quality of the IT ppl which Spore is lacking so a lot import especially for software development component of the IT system.

 

[sglandscape]

I in IT software development line coming to 30 years. All I can say is transitioning to a new stack is not trivial at all. Most employers want to do migration from old system to new system which is a big challenge by itself already.

Hence most employers prefer the softer approach new system slowly build up while old system continue to function.

E.g IBM mainframe to Unix last time in STC aka Turf Club is a nightmare. Terminate vendor resend quotes for salvage existing system by terminated vendor etc. How I now is I work there in their IT department. But they did cut over to Unix eventually.

Bank IT system will be many many times more complex than STC I am very sure. So the downtime is expected. It is not the number of IT ppl that make the transition it is the quality of the IT ppl which Spore is lacking so a lot import especially for software development component of the IT system.

Agree with your take. Interestingly, the good IT folks that could actually do SI well are in the US or Europe (Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, or even Monaco). Not saying there is no talent here in Asia, but in general the tenacity to push through a project and meet time line without taking shortcuts is just not comparable.

 

[1l92041H]

thanks to this thread, I learnt that I can actually click on the ignore button and it never appears on my MM forum liao

 

[sohguanh]

Agree with your take. Interestingly, the good IT folks that could actually do SI well are in the US or Europe (Germany, Sweden, Netherlands, or even Monaco). Not saying there is no talent here in Asia, but in general the tenacity to push through a project and meet time line without taking shortcuts is just not comparable.

The consensus in Asia is one should move up to do say project management instead of software developer forever until retire.

Having in that role in Spore since late 90s it is true and I still remember that manager who told me the developer role is for young graduates not seniors. Now 50 I think he is true which is why now my employer is angmo company and he takes the view of US and Europe that one can be software developer until retire and be fairly compensated. Last I check my pay is on par with some project manager role and I escape the tech retrenchment frenzy this year.

 

[sglandscape]

The consensus in Asia is one should move up to do say project management instead of software developer forever until retire.

Having in that role in Spore since late 90s it is true and I still remember that manager who told me the developer role is for young graduates not seniors. Now 50 I think he is true which is why now my employer is angmo company and he takes the view of US and Europe that one can be software developer until retire and be fairly compensated. Last I check my pay is on par with some project manager role and I escape the tech retrenchment frenzy this year.

It's a pity here. There is more value in being a developer, especially if you're dealing with complexity. However, it's not seen to be valued here due to organisations not set up that way here.

 

[kl2015]

Here’s the thing right. What you just said is subjective, n ultimately the voice that matters is the employer n not any other people.

so they just see it differently from you.

Imagine that’s you. You will do that?

I dunno about Malaysia, but this is Singapore.

Yes I will, as it was my fault for not ensuring stability of bank app system.
those who complain, they only use the job as stepping stone to go to another job

 

[reddevil0728]

Yes I will, as it was my fault for not ensuring stability of bank app system.
those who complain, they only use the job as stepping stone to go to another job

lol ok. noted that you will in your current situation.

if you are in that position. not certain the answer will remain the same

 

[kl2015]

Your same statement also apply to our Parliament do you see them leaving? Only when earn enough then yes else fill in the blanks yourself

parliament different
I am talking abt company