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Just the usual scam with a different asset. When it explodes, good luck finding that diamond that is supposedly stored in the diamond storage facility. It would be great if we could get an update in 1 year. Or maybe the newspaper will provide it...
 

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if it is a scam, the company could easily take the same diamond and cert to show to 100 investors and claim that its theirs. when the company goes bust, good luck fighting with 99 other guys for that one diamond.
 

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to all readers and also Mrlota66

Hi

I saw your posting abt investment, is gd u ask ard b4 u go investing.. and luckily yr money never go burst

Since you are really interested in investing or in lay term passive income, y dun u go thr a proper way, open up a CDP accounts, trading in local shares market, have a tip of the ice berg, read more books or forum by starting opening share or equities account, know what is your risk appetite, yr own portfolio, trust yrself den no others, and ask yourself,, if the so call people who giving u a high returns, do they really need your peanuts money?

THEY are out to get u to scam your money which is a guarantee return to them with 0% risk which they can escape will all the legal entity.
 

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Now waiting for another newly registered account to post that his friend's uncle's second cousin has invested in it and is receiving regular payouts.

if anyone does that, moderators would immediately lock the thread :D
 

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limster wrote:
Now waiting for another newly registered account to post that his friend's uncle's second cousin has invested in it and is receiving regular payouts.​
if anyone does that, moderators would immediately lock the thread :D

i am hoping there will be such commentaries so that we can hear both sides of the coin
 

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i am hoping there will be such commentaries so that we can hear both sides of the coin

Read between the lines. Advertising, clones, referral etc... is not allowed.
 

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they going to sell the amber to jurassic park to extract dinosaur dna,then genetically engineer some dinosaur and build a theme park to open to visitors.



Man, MAS should really clamp down on all these funny stuff going on...
 
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Man, MAS should really clamp down on all these funny stuff going on...

I wish they could. Problem is, unless this has changed since I looked at it last, the MAS doesn't have any enforcement powers: all it can do is add people to the "unregulated list" or whatever it's called. But that's basically a licence for the scammers to double up their scamming efforts, because they've just been told "the MAS is not going to come after you, you're not in the MAS's jurisdiction".

This sort of enforcement is supposed to be done by the CAD branch of the police, and they're nice guys but they are WAY too slow on the draw; they generally can't come in until the money's already been sent off for a romantic vacation in Belize.

The MAS should have a lot more enforcement powers than it does, really. They're the ones who are best placed to spot these scams and shut them down before they turn into the next Profitable Group or Sunshine Empire.
 

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I wish they could. Problem is, unless this has changed since I looked at it last, the MAS doesn't have any enforcement powers: all it can do is add people to the "unregulated list" or whatever it's called. But that's basically a licence for the scammers to double up their scamming efforts, because they've just been told "the MAS is not going to come after you, you're not in the MAS's jurisdiction".

This sort of enforcement is supposed to be done by the CAD branch of the police, and they're nice guys but they are WAY too slow on the draw; they generally can't come in until the money's already been sent off for a romantic vacation in Belize.

The MAS should have a lot more enforcement powers than it does, really. They're the ones who are best placed to spot these scams and shut them down before they turn into the next Profitable Group or Sunshine Empire.

when a lot of auntie say "dont worry, scam never happen in singapore. MAS will surely catch them before they cheat money." I hear liao want to peng

they will say "we are MAS compliant, dont believe, go to MAS's investor watch list and check if we are on their list. We are not on their list right? So our investment is legal and MAS compliant"
 

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when a lot of auntie say "dont worry, scam never happen in singapore. MAS will surely catch them before they cheat money." I hear liao want to peng

they will say "we are MAS compliant, dont believe, go to MAS's investor watch list and check if we are on their list. We are not on their list right? So our investment is legal and MAS compliant"
even the government themselves have "scamy illustrations" of their own. 1 cent can grow into 5 million in 30 days.
Hehe

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Think Twice Ya

I've seen you opting for better alternatives after an educated discussion from the bros here. Thank you for being informative and restructuring your thoughts & perceptions.

It seems that you've additional time to spare, from your input of wasting the broker's time, why not devote more time to understanding Equities and Etfs which may be of great help to your rational decisions, not to mention finding better opportunities outside of stocks/bonds once you are financially informed.

Opinion: The broker might be just out there for comms sake, to put food on table albeit unethical, and he isn't liable to 'diamond' demise or disappearance - why bother?

Hope this small input does generate some thoughts :o

Good Day,
D.M

Of course I'm not going to invest any money in it now but to be honest I intend to string the broker along and waste his time just he wasted mine!!

It's not being vindictive just need some satisfaction, perhaps cos I was scammed before!
 

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I never invest...

Just went to listen not too long ago. Very posh office at level 23 overlooking marina bay sands.

There is this sales person in his early twenties who claimed that he has many businesses and this is one of the "job" he is doing.... he also claimed he has made a lot of money from his other businesses.

But i never invest as i feel everything is fishy... if so good why need to us as retail investors?
 

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Went to their presentation.

These are what I gather and couple of things to pounder upon.

1. 15% return comes from 2 things...
a. They source the diamond cheap and mark up a lot, maybe 100% (they claim this is still cheaper than retail, which I don't know, you may want to check it out.). After deducting all the expenses and commission, they still have at least 40% to pay your future 30%.
b. They assume that diamond price would continue to climb in the future, that they could still be able the mark up in 1 years time and sell your diamond at a even higher price. We all know that nothing climb forever, eventually price will reach a peak and whoever hold last is the loser. Remember when gold was $1900, there are some who still predicting gold to hit $4000 and asking others to continue to buy? Where is gold now?

2. You must pay full within 3 days, while they have 30 days to deliver. Nobody in the diamond industry ask you to pay first and they deliver later. Everyone else do pay-on-delivery. This bag a question... If your diamonds are so good, why are you not stocking up and sell them on the spot? My thinking... Because holding stocks take risk, especially when you are selling less value item at a premium. If the diamonds are not worth that much, they risk an expert exposing them on the spot. By not holding stock and source for you after you pay, you hold all the risk, not them.

3. You don't know the actual value of your diamond after you got them. By that time, if the diamond worth significant lesser, you can't do anything. Further, they are not going to help you sell within a year. Meaning, you are stuck with a lesser value stone for a year. After 1 year, whether they would help you to sell, is another question.

4. Selling their own diamond is more profitable than selling your diamond because they can mark up a lot, while selling your diamond they can't mark up too much. There is a high chance where the company encourages their sales people to sell their diamond first before selling their clients'. Foresee, many investors are going to get stuck with their stones for a very long time.

5. The company is less than a year old. Meaning none of they investors have exit yet. So they don't have a track record, just empty promises. Even if the company is over 1 year old, you should make sure that 90% of their clients exit successfully and profitable, else it's still a question-mark. Many alternative investment boost about their less then 5% success stories and forgot about their 95% unhappy clients.

This company is not a real diamond company. They are a just marketing agent selling diamonds that they not yet own. If you are ok with this, go ahead. However, please note that real diamond investors only buy a diamond after they see it, inspect it and evaluated it, never before.
 
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Thread necro!

http://www.straitstimes.com/business/investors-left-in-the-lurch-as-diamond-firm-folds-up

Investors left in the lurch as diamond firm folds up

Owner of firm, which promises 30% returns, goes missing; staff not paid for two months
Lorna TanInvest Editor/Senior Correspondent
Along with other customers of Asia Fine Diamonds (AFD), Mr Stephen Yeo learnt the hard way that diamonds are not his best friend after his investment in rare coloured diamonds went awry.

Last December, Mr Yeo, 55, who works in the medical sector, invested $17,785.12 in a 0.21-carat round cut diamond - described as "fancy intense purplish pink" - from AFD. He never laid hands on it.

This is the latest firm to come under scrutiny after recent reports by The Straits Times on two other firms - One Plantation Capital and Tropical Forestry Venture - which offered attractive returns in their agarwood investment schemes to retail investors.


Last month, Mr Yeo filed a police report against AFD, which used to have an office in Maybank Tower in Battery Road.

Not only are AFD customers crying foul, according to company staff, but employees are also up in arms as they have not been paid their wages and commissions for a few months. According to an AFD employee who spoke to The Straits Times on condition of anonymity, about 20 AFD staff involved in sales, telemarketing and administrative functions have not been paid for about two months. The office closed down in January.

TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE

Telltale signs include high returns which are more than what banks and good growth companies can offer... Don't get carried away by high returns or a good sales pitch. Ask for advice and don't deal with unregulated entities.

MR DAVID GERALD, president and chief executive of Securities Investor Association of Singapore.
Under AFD's two-year scheme, customers are offered a choice of coloured diamonds from a brochure. After selecting a diamond of their choice, they pay the cost of the diamond upfront. The average cost per diamond was about $15,000.

Customers sign an acquisition form which acts as a request for AFD to buy the diamonds on their behalf. They also sign a "storage and buy-back contract" with AFD. In the contract, customers are described as "the storer", while AFD is "the storage provider".

They were told to expect delivery of their diamonds one month later. However, they were advised that to avoid paying GST for their diamonds, AFD would store them in Christie's Fine Art Storage Services at Changi Airport. They would be given access to the warehouse for the purpose of viewing their diamonds.

There would be a 15 per cent annual return on the investment sum for two years, payable at the end of each year. This works out to a total return of 30 per cent - about $5,300 in the case of Mr Yeo's investment.

At the end of two years, the customers can opt to exercise the option for AFD to buy back the diamonds and return them their initial investment sums. If they wish to keep the diamond, they will forgo the 30 per cent returns.

Mr Yeo said he knew something had gone wrong only when he was not contacted by AFD to say that his diamond had been delivered to the Changi warehouse more than a month after he had paid and signed the documents. He was later informed by an AFD employee that the firm was in financial difficulties and that the chief executive and owner had gone missing.

"I was greedy and tempted by the high returns of 30 per cent. I was very angry initially because I should have done due diligence. But the AFD office looked very nice and it is registered here. I took a gamble and decided to see what comes out of it," said Mr Yeo.

He recalled that AFD's 4,000 sq ft office was luxuriously decorated and there was a showcase of diamonds in one of the rooms. He was also trying to help a friend who had sold him a property in the Philippines in her previous employment before moving to AFD as a sales consultant.

AFD was set up last June and has a paid-up capital of $10,000, Acra records show. It stated that the firm's director, Mr Guillianno Norberto R. Mata Pena, is from the Dominican Republic.

Mr David Gerald, president and chief executive of Securities Investor Association of Singapore, cautioned retail investors to look out for telltale signs when something looks too good to be true.

"There have been a number of scams reported and yet some people are falling for scams over and over again. People must get smart and ask basic questions before parting with hard-earned money," he said.

"Telltale signs include high returns which are more than what banks and good growth companies can offer. They must ring bells in our minds. How can others offer such high returns? Don't get carried away by high returns or a good sales pitch. Ask for advice and don't deal with unregulated entities."
 
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