(Discussion) NS should definitely be abolised

[Enigm4]

First post; saw many people on this forum, to my surprise, quite in favour of NS. IMO, NS has little to no value and should either be scrapped, or everyone should definitely be encouraged to CK as much as possible, while those who wayang the whole way or encourage others to do so are simply fogbound sheep blindly a ridiculous mandate. Thoughts?

 

[reddevil0728]

First post; saw many people on this forum, to my surprise, quite in favour of NS. IMO, NS has little to no value and should either be scrapped, or everyone should definitely be encouraged to CK as much as possible, while those who wayang the whole way or encourage others to do so are simply fogbound sheep blindly a ridiculous mandate. Thoughts?

you should be abolished.

 

[Enigm4]

you should be abolished.

Typical senseless reply from someone who would just blindly accept the atrocity that is NS. What a shame.

 

[Acre45]

Hais... Another keyboard warrior complaining about NS, whats new

 

[parchiao]

First post; saw many people on this forum, to my surprise, quite in favour of NS. IMO, NS has little to no value and should either be scrapped, or everyone should definitely be encouraged to CK as much as possible, while those who wayang the whole way or encourage others to do so are simply fogbound sheep blindly a ridiculous mandate. Thoughts?

The solution is not less NS. The solution is more NS.

Charge those who CK, extend service to 5 years.

 

[Enigm4]

Hais... Another keyboard warrior complaining about NS, whats new

Hais... another fool duped into mandatory conscription because he's not smart enough to think through the joke that is NS. What's new

 

[Enigm4]

The solution is not less NS. The solution is more NS.

Charge those who CK, extend service to 5 years.

Why not think through why you think NS is such a great thing? You may be surprised how thin your argument is then

 

[Strawbelly]

Why not think through why you think NS is such a great thing? You may be surprised how thin your argument is then

Why not explain to us why you think NS should be abolished then since you are the one who initiated the thread. You made a claim so the onus is on you to first explain your way of thinking. Sure NS is a waste of time but I definitely do not agree with it being abolished. 2 years is too long though imo.

 

[Enigm4]

Why not explain to us why you think NS should be abolished then since you are the one who initiated the thread. You made a claim so the onus is on you to first explain your way of thinking. Sure NS is a waste of time but I definitely do not agree with it being abolished. 2 years is too long though imo.

Firstly, there is no practical point in NS. As of right now, we have a population of 5.6 million. Assume roughly half are men, and now look at the demographic of men aged 18-40. Assuming one third are 'combat-fit' in terms of age, now again split that category up into Combat and non combat fit based on each individual's pes status. That would give u a total of less than a million soldiers available at our country's disposal at any given time. Less than a million. Which country do we possibly have any hope of defending from? (I havn't even accounted for vocational splits yet such as reccee, signalling etc). With a fighting force that laughable, any feeble defence we can put up will barely tickle even Msia. That being said, why throw away a million of our nation's lives, all for naught? The whole concept of NS, while a seemingly noble and patriotic cause, is nothing more than just a sham. This is just the first of many, many points.

 

[reddevil0728]

Typical senseless reply from someone who would just blindly accept the atrocity that is NS. What a shame.

You ask us for thoughts then you kp our thoughts, then what’s the point of even asking us for our thoughts?

 

[SinglePaul]

Brain with full of shiat!!!

 

[SinglePaul]

Waiting for mod to strike off this thread soon!

 

[green72]

To be fair for those who have completed NS, please declare your NS liability?

It's a waste of our time to share our opinion to you if you have not gone through at least BMT.

I understand the fear NS feels for youngsters. NS is so broad, SAF,SPF and SCDF.

For SAF itself, maybe those posted to the Service vocation might felt it's a waste of time. Not fair to say that for those in combat vocation.

I feel NSF must be given more allowance to be on par in CPF contribution to their female cohort instead.

 

[Calander]

people who are against NS are the ones who actually CK-king.

If you think NS is worthless to you, you better be not working as well because it is purely a selfish mindset that you are having.

You as an individual needs to have a career.. to support yourself financially at the very least unless you are a handicapped and needs subsidies.

A career needs a country for its economy, imports and exports. So that you have have an income.

Please share with us how will our country be better without NS.
Do justify if national defence is necessary.
Do justify if having a pure regular armed forces is a solution to this matter.
Do justify how you are leading your life being a CK-warrior in NS, career, family and life.

Your justification needs to be shared in the forum. Not just question the system without any reason, alternate views and solutions. And if your answers are convincing, I believe the media will publish your article and the parliament will be having a debate over this.

So if you want to make a difference, start now. Don't be a NATO force.

 

[Chao_Ah_Tiong]

TS looks like one who will betray the country for his own benefits.

 

[SinglePaul]

TS looks like one who will betray the country for his own benefits.

He has the "Han Jian" quality!

 

[Enigm4]

people who are against NS are the ones who actually CK-king.

If you think NS is worthless to you, you better be not working as well because it is purely a selfish mindset that you are having.

You as an individual needs to have a career.. to support yourself financially at the very least unless you are a handicapped and needs subsidies.

A career needs a country for its economy, imports and exports. So that you have have an income.

Please share with us how will our country be better without NS.
Do justify if national defence is necessary.
Do justify if having a pure regular armed forces is a solution to this matter.
Do justify how you are leading your life being a CK-warrior in NS, career, family and life.

Your justification needs to be shared in the forum. Not just question the system without any reason, alternate views and solutions. And if your answers are convincing, I believe the media will publish your article and the parliament will be having a debate over this.

So if you want to make a difference, start now. Don't be a NATO force.

Did you actually read my reply? Firstly, I agree of course that national defence is important, but what good will throwing the lives of millions of our young men do? Because that's exactly what will happen should any country declare war on us. To think we have any chance of repelling forces tens or hundreds of times bigger than us is truly delusion.

 

[Enigm4]

people who are against NS are the ones who actually CK-king.

If you think NS is worthless to you, you better be not working as well because it is purely a selfish mindset that you are having.

You as an individual needs to have a career.. to support yourself financially at the very least unless you are a handicapped and needs subsidies.

A career needs a country for its economy, imports and exports. So that you have have an income.

Please share with us how will our country be better without NS.
Do justify if national defence is necessary.
Do justify if having a pure regular armed forces is a solution to this matter.
Do justify how you are leading your life being a CK-warrior in NS, career, family and life.

Your justification needs to be shared in the forum. Not just question the system without any reason, alternate views and solutions. And if your answers are convincing, I believe the media will publish your article and the parliament will be having a debate over this.

So if you want to make a difference, start now. Don't be a NATO force.

Firstly, there is no practical point in NS. As of right now, we have a population of 5.6 million. Assume roughly half are men, and now look at the demographic of men aged 18-40. Assuming one third are 'combat-fit' in terms of age, now again split that category up into Combat and non combat fit based on each individual's pes status. That would give u a total of less than a million soldiers available at our country's disposal at any given time. Less than a million. Which country do we possibly have any hope of defending from? (I havn't even accounted for vocational splits yet such as reccee, signalling etc). With a fighting force that laughable, any feeble defence we can put up will barely tickle even Msia. That being said, why throw away a million of our nation's lives, all for naught? The whole concept of NS, while a seemingly noble and patriotic cause, is nothing more than just a sham. This is just the first of many, many points.

 

[reddevil0728]

Firstly, there is no practical point in NS. As of right now, we have a population of 5.6 million. Assume roughly half are men, and now look at the demographic of men aged 18-40. Assuming one third are 'combat-fit' in terms of age, now again split that category up into Combat and non combat fit based on each individual's pes status. That would give u a total of less than a million soldiers available at our country's disposal at any given time. Less than a million. Which country do we possibly have any hope of defending from? (I havn't even accounted for vocational splits yet such as reccee, signalling etc). With a fighting force that laughable, any feeble defence we can put up will barely tickle even Msia. That being said, why throw away a million of our nation's lives, all for naught? The whole concept of NS, while a seemingly noble and patriotic cause, is nothing more than just a sham. This is just the first of many, many points.

Is it only you can have a point but others cannot?

 

[green72]

If Singaporeans in 1966 think like you back then, I believe today you'll be singing Indonesia national anthem and speaks Bahasa Indonesia and still be poor and maybe have no work. Apologies and no disrespect to our Indonesian friends. But it's the truth.

Our security is a deterrence. Foreign companies setup their business here and the good economy it entails provide employment for your father and mother because of this security.

You are too comfortable because we have been very peaceful and no war has occured since the Konfrantasi. You are complacent and disrespectful to the past NSmen.

Don't think for once our "peaceful" neighbours won't bully us without our conscript army to back us up. You have forgetten how our Nothern neighbour try to claim our territorial waters recently.

Without our Naval vessels to show presence and standoff, you think things will turn out the way it did? Mind you, the crew consists of NSF that you claim as "Not Practical". It's bloody expensive to employ half a million regulars to run the hardware for our security. That is impractical.

For us that have gone through NS, we get it. You still don't. You need to experience regimental life I guess, without the protection of Mommy or Daddy if you yet to serve.

if you and your future children wants to continue to enjoy this peace and good life, please just serve and F. off as we say it during our NS life.