Distance-Time based fare

[idkelvin]

if you do take bus.. its a poster in every bus.. no worry. i will take tomorrow.. and upload here as evidence..
its only state "distance based fare, choose your route"
lets wait for the photos..

 

[solidghost]

I am truly surprised that you guys are surprised that there are other factors involved in their "distance"-based fare structure. PTC is controlled by the public transport companies. It is not in the communters best interest. They are there to make more money for themselves.

 

[Tommy Tan]

hope ptc is reading this - and the mess of confusion it's not helping to solve

 

[silx1980]

Why should they solve. Its a perfect way to mask fare hikes. Sure there will be complaints but they will come up with "official" data to show otherwise. Can anyone else prove them wrong or overwrite their authority?

 

[SquallLH]

You guys forgot the money spent on revamping the system which is supposed to cost 88 million a year. What I cannot fathom is, why bother changing the current system if it's supposed to cost everyone more money to maintain this new system.

To add insult to injuries. 1/3 of the cost is supposed to be paid by commuters whom are now being charged more instead of less by the new system

I guess peasants are just too dumb to understand what the elites have in mind. Better raise their salary so they don't go over to private sector and leave us in lurch.

 

[kebinu]

A new fare which public transport lose 88m in revenue & consumers (claimed to be 33%) pay more.

Assuming everyone pays more, does this equate to high GDP?

 

[Jarlaxle]

actually i hv been playing cheaper fares

my trip home to office requires me to travel from city hall to tanah merah
after that i will take a feeder bus
with the new system, i actually saved 20cents per trip
so 1 day, i can save about 40cents

the puzzling issue for me is...
i am usually charged 0.04 for my feeder bus trip since im only taking 1 stop
after taking the train from cityhall

but if i take the train from suntec or somewhere nearer
the feeder bus trip is 0.00 when i scanned my card

lol i dun understand....
in both instance, the bus trip is the same distance but one is 4 cents while the other is free

i guess theres some charges based on per unit travelled instead?

 

[lobo76]

You guys forgot the money spent on revamping the system which is supposed to cost 88 million a year.

A new fare which public transport lose 88m in revenue & consumers (claimed to be 33%) pay more.

I think you guys got it wrong. 88m is the extra sum that the transport COULD have earn if they kept to existing price structure. It is neither a cost nor a loss.

Of course, that's analogous the music/movie industry saying that they will 'lost' x million due to piracy; where x equals to the number of pirated copies multiply by list price. It assumes (erroneously) that ALL pirates will buy original if there were no pirated copies.

In context of the 88million, there is no assumptions stated. e.g whether keeping to existing structure of fares include increment that has to pass PTC approval, OR just current fares x number of immigrants. For the latter, how to calculate? since immigrants could be FTs who do not use public transport or FWs that are ferried on backs of lorries.

p.s. the analogy is: pirates to immigrants, and pirates buying original copies to immigrants taking public transport

Basically, the 88 million is a super arbitrary number created out of thin air... and suck in by the minister wholesale.

 

[SquallLH]

I think you guys got it wrong. 88m is the extra sum that the transport COULD have earn if they kept to existing price structure. It is neither a cost nor a loss.

I stand corrected on this then Would be great if they actually tell us how much does it cost to transition into the new systems then since the companies are paying 2/3 and the public commuters are paying 1/3 then

In context of the 88million, there is no assumptions stated. e.g whether keeping to existing structure of fares include increment that has to pass PTC approval, OR just current fares x number of immigrants. For the latter, how to calculate? since immigrants could be FTs who do not use public transport or FWs that are ferried on backs of lorries.

p.s. the analogy is: pirates to immigrants, and pirates buying original copies to immigrants taking public transport

Basically, the 88 million is a super arbitrary number created out of thin air... and suck in by the minister wholesale.

Would you be convinced if the Ministry did come up with the actual figures? How are you going to verify the statistics?
Don't ask questions or rock the boat. Easier for everyone's life yah

 

[lobo76]

Would you be convinced if the Ministry did come up with the actual figures? How are you going to verify the statistics?

I am not going to verify the statistics. What I do want to do is to question the assumptions. If they are sensible, that's at least something. If they are stupid, why would I bother with verifying the stats at all?

 

[sunzoner]

A new fare which public transport lose 88m in revenue & consumers (claimed to be 33%) pay more.

Assuming everyone pays more, does this equate to high GDP?

Yes. it is.

 

[WTF??!!]

the whole transport fair changes is all a diversion tactics to confuse the people
and left the manipulator (PAP and their gang members) to exercise their fair increase.

from the start there are more increase than decrease
now this fair changes or i call it a scam tactic it to make future increases a disguise and easier for the manipulator

just look at the distance discrepancy made on this new fair
most of them are distance that is "aggravated"

 

[WTF??!!]

Saddam and Mugabe wins in every election one way or another

Saddam was dispose when US kick him out


if you look at how PAP gang members work

i doubt the election will be any difference from the other

same goes to saddam, mugabe hitler and many other dictators

 

[The_Davis]

hey guess what I'm enjoying reduced fares!!!


coz i walk to the next (3) bus stops

 

[Jarlaxle]

i think the fare reduction is most helpful to people to take multiple trips

 

[ponpokku]

wah lau if this is so, then for wad? 'u buy more u save more' crap? this is forced selling. in the extreme end u dun buy u wont even lose a cent. for the vast majority who took public transport to and back from work/school, they dun have to take multiple trips to save money. the reason they take public transport is to save money. then this scheme came out ask them to take 'more' trips in order to save... they stupid or wad?

bottomline, there is still unclear factors they put into calculations, which might not benefit most.

 

[Jarlaxle]

sorry, not multiple trips

multiple transfer

such as feeder bus to mrt
once u reached the other mrt station
u need to take another feeder bus

yes... there are such places in singapore that need to be travelled with such tedious arrangement..
such as bukit merah

 

[cancer81]

sorry, not multiple trips

multiple transfer

such as feeder bus to mrt
once u reached the other mrt station
u need to take another feeder bus

yes... there are such places in singapore that need to be travelled with such tedious arrangement..
such as bukit merah

doing this everyday... in fact only for a short while did not need to. otherwise all other places I commute to is like this... one got provide shuttle but the rest is all like that.

 

[Condor]

http://singaporedesk.blogspot.com/2010/08/feel-like-taken-for-ride.html

 

[cscs3]

Now PTC has come out to say that the new distance base fare has another component behind its pricing mechanism: time

I feel so cheated

http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC100813-0000108/Circle-Line-fare-anomalies?

Seriously it's been a month and they report this only now?

I hope we get a shock the next election

This is just another way of increasing fare.