DIY Media Server

[steven168z]

anyone build any can advise?

Unraid option?

i happen to see this video



FULL Hardware List: https://amzn.to/2LMnCqO

Part are from Amazon US Store...

 

[TanKianW]

anyone build any can advise?

Unraid option?

i happen to see this video



FULL Hardware List: https://amzn.to/2LMnCqO

Part are from Amazon US Store...

Same case as mine. But much different specs and NAS OS.

Interested in DIY NAS can check out here too:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/starting-truenas-core-for-new-users.6480129/

 

[steven168z]

Same case as mine. But much different specs and NAS OS.

Interested in DIY NAS can check out here too:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/starting-truenas-core-for-new-users.6480129/

wow you have create a power thread...

if using truenas can use mix harddisk different size?

for harddisk if using sata is it hot swapable?

 

[TanKianW]

wow you have create a power thread...

if using truenas can use mix harddisk different size?

for harddisk if using sata is it hot swapable?

1) Not recommended. Not that you could not. But I will say "No".

2) Yes. But when I say "you can", I will always have users "hot" removing the disk without even checking which is the correct disk to remove. You still need to practice the safe steps of verifying the actual failed disk, disk check the volume, dismount over the disk interface, remove physically, replace, mount back, rebuild.

My take. Read up on ZFS (file system) and why it is far more superior and resilient than any other file system meant for storage servers and NAS, where even commercial cloud provider uses it.

After your research, if you chose TrueNAS, feel free to check out my thread. Hope it helps.

Another NAS Chassis for your consideration. A more recent setup, up and running 24/7 since Nov 2019:

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[yusoffb01]

You can buy old dell power edge from carousell, less than $200. just install the OS you want and slot in the hdds.

 

[steven168z]

Hi,

how is unraid vs zfs in performance and protection?

zfs recommend to have ecc memory i think.. what about unraid?

 

[pikoman]

Hi,

how is unraid vs zfs in performance and protection?

zfs recommend to have ecc memory i think.. what about unraid?

Unraid has poorer performance compared to zfs. Protection is probably ZFS.

 

[pikoman]

1) Not recommended. Not that you could not. But I will say "No".

2) Yes. But when I say "you can", I will always have users "hot" removing the disk without even checking which is the correct disk to remove. You still need to practice the safe steps of verifying the actual failed disk, disk check the volume, dismount over the disk interface, remove physically, replace, mount back, rebuild.

My take. Read up on ZFS (file system) and why it is far more superior and resilient than any other file system meant for storage servers and NAS, where even commercial cloud provider uses it.

After your research, if you chose TrueNAS, feel free to check out my thread. Hope it helps.

Another NAS Chassis for your consideration. A more recent setup, up and running 24/7 since Nov 2019:

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What case is this? Support 3.5-inch drive?

 

[TanKianW]

What case is this? Support 3.5-inch drive?

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...e-for-new-users.6480129/page-5#post-134301811

 

[steven168z]

Unraid has poorer performance compared to zfs. Protection is probably ZFS.

oh really?

zfs need more ecc ram i think compare to unraid

 

[minitaz]

You can have native ZFS pool on an Unraid server...

 

[Mclairs83]

You can buy old dell power edge from carousell, less than $200. just install the OS you want and slot in the hdds.

rack mount servers are noisy.
poweredge towers are huge heavy and cumbersome.

unless u like listening to those loud fans by all means..

 

[felali]

oh really?

zfs need more ecc ram i think compare to unraid

Haha how's your NAS journey man

 

[steven168z]

Haha how's your NAS journey man

@felali

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Hi,

not yet as busy with work.

i saw this...

https://www.snapraid.it/compare

• unRAID - Commercial and OpenSource GPL2 solution. A modified version of the Linux Reiserfs filesystem with real-time redundancy. No integrity checksum is supported.

i don't understand.. so is unraid reliable?



looking at TrueNAS find the cost need to have more hdd in each dev to bring down the cost cos min 3 hdd in each dev.

https://louwrentius.com/the-hidden-cost-of-using-zfs-for-your-home-nas.html

what is your NAS Server consume power per month?

 

[Mach3.2]

You can buy old dell power edge from carousell, less than $200. just install the OS you want and slot in the hdds.

Those $200 ones are using very old hardware, I wouldn't go any lower than the E5 2xxx v4 series even if I suddenly decide I'm ok with loud 2U/4U rackmount servers in my house.

@ts For some reason those liquidators also like to sell the servers without the drive sleds, so remember to double check if you want to go the old rackmount server route.

 

[Mach3.2]

looking at TrueNAS find the cost need to have more hdd in each dev to bring down the cost cos min 3 hdd in each dev.

https://louwrentius.com/the-hidden-cost-of-using-zfs-for-your-home-nas.html

what is your NAS Server consume power per month?

It's expensive to do things properly.

I figured awhile back that to do ZFS properly you'd want to do raid-z2 with at least 6 drives, and assuming you buy proper datacenter drives, a 12TB WD Ultrastar drive will cost you $615 per drive, and multiply that by 6 drives you're already $3690 deep before you even buy any other parts of your NAS.

https://wintelguy.com/zfs-calc.pl
Don't forget about backing up your NAS if you're going to store data that you don't want to lose on it. If you copy paste your NAS so you can replicate your NAS across those 2 devices you basically just doubled your cost again.

Edit: You can shuck drives too, and current going price is ~$350 for 14TB. But it's still $2100 before you even buy the parts for your NAS.

 

[felali]

@felali

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Hi,

not yet as busy with work.

i saw this...

https://www.snapraid.it/compare

• unRAID - Commercial and OpenSource GPL2 solution. A modified version of the Linux Reiserfs filesystem with real-time redundancy. No integrity checksum is supported.

i don't understand.. so is unraid reliable?



looking at TrueNAS find the cost need to have more hdd in each dev to bring down the cost cos min 3 hdd in each dev.

https://louwrentius.com/the-hidden-cost-of-using-zfs-for-your-home-nas.html

what is your NAS Server consume power per month?

I can't say much about the accuracy of this page and statement, since unRAID (and probably the linux community) ditched the ReiserFS file system to oblivion many many years ago, after the ReiserFS creator murdered his wife in 2006.

ReiserFS did not support checksums. Unraid now uses either XFS or BTRFS. The latter is compulsory for cache pools. So, through BTRFS (which was mentioned in the article you shared), checksum integrity is supported.

My personal experience with unraid - I have used it since mid 2014; started with 3x 4TB hdds, and have been using the same OS installation since (updated over time, of course) without reinstallation (touch wood!!). I'm currently on my 3rd enclosure, 2nd motherboard, several CPU and RAM upgrades, and countless HDDs and SSDs had added and/or upgraded incrementally over time.

Power consumption is quite minimal. HDDs typically each use about 5-9W during activity, but most of my unraid disks are spun down most of the time. My CPU/Mobo/Graphics is desktop grade, so, those alone do consume more power than the typical Synology setup that are considerably more low-power, so, the Seasonic 80Plus Titanium PSU (Platinum for the 2 secondary chassis) is hoped to help save a little bit of electricity.

 

[felali]

It's expensive to do things properly.

I figured awhile back that to do ZFS properly you'd want to do raid-z2 with at least 6 drives, and assuming you buy proper datacenter drives, a 12TB WD Ultrastar drive will cost you $615 per drive, and multiply that by 6 drives you're already $3690 deep before you even buy any other parts of your NAS.

https://wintelguy.com/zfs-calc.pl
Don't forget about backing up your NAS if you're going to store data that you don't want to lose on it. If you copy paste your NAS so you can replicate your NAS across those 2 devices you basically just doubled your cost again.

Edit: You can shuck drives too, and current going price is ~$350 for 14TB. But it's still $2100 before you even buy the parts for your NAS.

https://diskprices.com/Maybe to add, Seagate EXOS 18TB can be had for less than SGD$440 right now, excluding shipping (costs manageable if shipping using consolidated services like ComGateWay).

I didn't really liked Seagate drives, but their RMA is splendid, even though my drives were bought from overseas (they allow RMA of maximum 3 overseas-purchased drives, per year). They courier-ed a new drive in less than a week, after I returned a faulty DOA drive!

 

[TanKianW]

It's expensive to do things properly.

I figured awhile back that to do ZFS properly you'd want to do raid-z2 with at least 6 drives, and assuming you buy proper datacenter drives, a 12TB WD Ultrastar drive will cost you $615 per drive, and multiply that by 6 drives you're already $3690 deep before you even buy any other parts of your NAS.

https://wintelguy.com/zfs-calc.pl
Don't forget about backing up your NAS if you're going to store data that you don't want to lose on it. If you copy paste your NAS so you can replicate your NAS across those 2 devices you basically just doubled your cost again.

Edit: You can shuck drives too, and current going price is ~$350 for 14TB. But it's still $2100 before you even buy the parts for your NAS.

Definitely still a HGST drive for me too. Regretted building my 2019 NAS build on WD Red/Red Plus.

I've got a 4xHDD (2TB) HGST drive NAS system (RaidZ) for my new home back in 2011. Still survived till this day as a torrent box. None of the drives uplorry till this day and not even churning out errors like the WD Red which is still pretty new!

Had a few enterprise systems (>20 drives) build on HGSTs, still the ones with the least drive replacements.

 

[felali]

Definitely still a HGST drive for me too. Regretted building my 2019 NAS build on WD Red/Red Plus.

I've got a 4xHDD (2TB) HGST drive NAS system (RaidZ) for my new home back in 2011. Still survived till this day as a torrent box. None of the drives uplorry till this day and not even churning out errors like the WD Red which is still pretty new!

Had a few enterprise systems (>20 drives) build on HGSTs, still the ones with the least drive replacements.

Yeah, HGSTs are the best. 7yo HGST 6TB still working before I sold it, and I'm still running a 6yo 8TB off-array, no errors at all.