DIY or prebuild

[MilleniumX]

for pure gaming, u should be looking at single ccd chips (less than 8 cores for the past 4 gens of ryzen), since they not only cost less but also there would be no chance of inter ccd communication which would hurt gaming performance. but yes u can settle for something like a 7500f/7600/7700 for single player titles, since zen5 (9000 series) is barely faster than 7000 series for gaming. x3d can provide some benefit in frame pacing, but is still somewhat overpriced at the moment.

Sorry, I love your response but it is getting a bit technical for me to understand . From all the good comments I have received, feels like everyone is saying that for the same budget, it is better to get say a 7700 (instead of x3d) and use that extra money to either upgrade RAM or even push for a better GPU. I was swayed by all the online reviews that say that the 7800x3d is THE CPU to get, but I hear you all.

One last thing to understand, how about the R7 9700X? is that a good push vs the R7 7700?

either way will be cheaper than the original build u were looking at, though now the 5070ti build is ~10-15% more expensive. whether that premium is worth it for nvidia is now harder to say, and hinges on how much u think the nvidia features will be beneficial to u.

Yeah, now the price difference is c15% more. Don't get me wrong, I am still happy to stick with my budget but question is whether I get better performance spending that extra 15% on other parts, eg, pairing a more exp CPU like 7800x3d+7090XT vs 7700+5070ti

only offer a higher wattage upgrade for the psu of the same series as the default (which is a not great not terrible psu)

I can check with them. Would you recommend the RM750E? I think in that set up they were also trying to get the 3xMSI parts so there is a free Call of Duty Blackcell. If they only allow MSI, should I still upgrade to 850W?

arctic aios like their liquid freezer series are very good value for am5, providing way better cooling capacity than some corsair units while being cheaper. never really heard of this one though.

Actually I really like the Fractal Design North casing. But I read that it is very loud. and the upgrade on Invader cost as much as just buying a brand new case.
Got any reco for similar style (less RCG, more classy type) which doesnt take too much width space but also good and not too loud? How is the SAMA V-Nature Black?

for the s27, the upgrade to cl30 ram is $15,

I see that the current RAM is already CL30? T-FORCEFORCE DELTA RGB 6000MHz 32GB(16GBx2) CL30.
Are you suggesting another RAM?

for the s27, the upgrade to cl30 ram is $15, but they only offer a higher wattage upgrade for the psu of the same series as the default (which is a not great not terrible psu). even if u apply all the upgrades, it will still end up @ 2.4k.

To be honest, I generally like Invader as well. I see that they use better parts and all. However, Aftershock has a similar system going for 2.1k. Worth considering?

 

[Lehnsherr]

Interesting perspectives! Does any of the above considerations change if I am using an ultra wide monitor? Would an ultra wide monitor benefit from more CPU power?

I think it depends on the game and not the monitor resolution

I am running 1440p ultrawide + 5600 CPU (Stock no OC) + 7900XTX

Get around 130fps on a 144hz monitor on ultra settings non RT
Cyberpunk I get around 110-120 on Ultra preset non RT

But if u can get a better CPU within an acceptable budget then go for it maybe one day you wanna play some CPU intensive game

 

[Vanyel]

whats ur existing PC?

btw i saw a video somewhere b4 on the Tower casing that its slowly killing the AIO bit by bit due to the position

 

[MilleniumX]

- Aftershock is no no for me, realiability is questionable.

- AMD Ryzen 7 9700X I recommend in my post is around $400 compare
with 9800X3D that one cost near $1k.

- I would prefer Gskill for AMD build, if you want alternative RAM is
G skill flare x5 series amd expo CL30

- PSU wise try to get either Corsair or Seasonic.
Thermalright PSU aren't widely review thus I wouldn't recommend.

- Casing wise this you decide, the Fractal Design North is good.
Loud wise I think it depends on your setup especially the AIO you choose.
Cuz that one only comes with 2 or 3 front large front fan.
Normal North 2, North XL 3 but North XL can be difficult to order.

BTW my recommend setup has been removed since some critize I anyhow configure.

Thanks for feedback! This requires me to DIY I think cos Invader would not have all these parts. And I have no skill in DIY that’s why I rather go for prebuilds.
Do you know any AIO which are seemingly quieter?

 

[ragnarok95]

Heatsink and AIO are the same, as long as your CPU runs heavy load, both will be noisy. AIO do not have very high rpm fans, unless you swap out the default fans and replace with T30 or similar fans.

Example, my EK CR360 AIO max fan speed is around +/- 2300. A Coolermaster hyper 212 black HS fan max fan speed is +/- 2500. If you compare this way, then the air cooler is noisier than the AIO at max fan speed.

I find my current AIO load sound to be quite similar to my previous Scythe fuma 2. Both are only loud if they runs benchmark.

You also need to set the correct fan curve. Else both air and water cooling will be noisy.

 

[ragnarok95]

Airflow is another thing. We ain't talking about airflow. A AIO is equally as quiet and equally as loud as a air cooler, if you do not set the right fan profile on load. I do not agree with your sentence that AIO fans comes with high RPM. In fact, they are just like your normal air cooling HS fans.

Fans like noctua works well on AIO and HS.

In term of pump noise, most are silent operation. You will get loud noise only when it is a faulty pump.

So i do not agree that a AIO is nosier than a air cooling HS. My point is, if you never set fan curve, both AIO and HS will be equally loud.

 

[deepblue_82]

one min no one reply.. then next min every one reply..... haha ok i am not needed here..

 

[NightRaven49]

I was swayed by all the online reviews that say that the 7800x3d is THE CPU to get, but I hear you all.

it is technically a faster cpu for gaming, improving both average and 1% low fps over non x3d parts, but the margin u will get is likely lower than what u see in reviews where they test at a lower resolution (usually 1080p). not saying there wont be benefits at 1440p, its just that the benefit probably wont be as clear cut as reviews from when it was released show.

One last thing to understand, how about the R7 9700X? is that a good push vs the R7 7700?

no, just save your money and get the 7700. zen5 outside of x3d is not worth for gaming, very little improvement.

Yeah, now the price difference is c15% more. Don't get me wrong, I am still happy to stick with my budget but question is whether I get better performance spending that extra 15% on other parts, eg, pairing a more exp CPU like 7800x3d+7090XT vs 7700+5070ti

if u can afford x3d, sure. but keep in mind that for aaa titles, generally the gpu is a bigger factor in performance, especially at qhd and higher resolutions. u can refer to this video for balancing ur budget between cpu and gpu.

I can check with them. Would you recommend the RM750E? I think in that set up they were also trying to get the 3xMSI parts so there is a free Call of Duty Blackcell. If they only allow MSI, should I still upgrade to 850W?

i would trust the corsair rm series over the other psus they have on offer on the upgrade screen. since invader probably shares inventory with dynacore, maybe u can check if they offer seasonic units as well. as for whether 750w is enough, one bro mentioned on the rtx5000 thread that it may not be enough for a 5070ti. it could be an outlier case, since it is just a comment on a reddit post and the general consensus is that 750w is enough (was recommended by nvidia themselves). another bro on the rx9000 thread shared that his 550w is enough to handle his 9070xt, which consumes a similar amount of power, if not more, but did not share if he did any tuning. personally, id say the $25 top up to the a850gl for peace of mind is not a big amount, but is double the difference shown on dynacore price list.

I see that the current RAM is already CL30? T-FORCEFORCE DELTA RGB 6000MHz 32GB(16GBx2) CL30.
Are you suggesting another RAM?

oh i didnt check the base config, assumed it was some slower ram as i normally see with prebuilds then sticking to the default one is fine.

To be honest, I generally like Invader as well. I see that they use better parts and all. However, Aftershock has a similar system going for 2.1k. Worth considering?

aftershock uses the crappy gb b650m gaming and lower quality parts like psu and ssd to hit that lower price point. i would stay away from it as technie mentioned.

 

[Vanyel]

Thanks for feedback! This requires me to DIY I think cos Invader would not have all these parts. And I have no skill in DIY that’s why I rather go for prebuilds.
Do you know any AIO which are seemingly quieter?

DIY is basically pretty easy and fun too
since u doing so much research into ur rig already, might as well try it.

its like building lego, not rocket science and loads of ppl here u can ask for advice

 

[Unclemun]

I was looking around at pre-builts from Dell, AS, Armaggeddon, to name a few.

for the same CPU and GPU combo, there are different MBs, RAMs, SSDs etc. My view is thatat the end of the day, if a motherboard boots, runs stable, and meets my needs, it's not crappy—just basic.

Given a choice and since i use my PC frequently, I'd rather go for a better more featured MB with many ports etc. For GPU, I am fine with the basic plain vanilla ones as long as it has at least 3 years warranty.

DIY allows me to pick the parts I like.

 

[Phen8210]

Sorry, I love your response but it is getting a bit technical for me to understand . From all the good comments I have received, feels like everyone is saying that for the same budget, it is better to get say a 7700 (instead of x3d) and use that extra money to either upgrade RAM or even push for a better GPU. I was swayed by all the online reviews that say that the 7800x3d is THE CPU to get, but I hear you all.

One last thing to understand, how about the R7 9700X? is that a good push vs the R7 7700?


Yeah, now the price difference is c15% more. Don't get me wrong, I am still happy to stick with my budget but question is whether I get better performance spending that extra 15% on other parts, eg, pairing a more exp CPU like 7800x3d+7090XT vs 7700+5070ti


I can check with them. Would you recommend the RM750E? I think in that set up they were also trying to get the 3xMSI parts so there is a free Call of Duty Blackcell. If they only allow MSI, should I still upgrade to 850W?


Actually I really like the Fractal Design North casing. But I read that it is very loud. and the upgrade on Invader cost as much as just buying a brand new case.
Got any reco for similar style (less RCG, more classy type) which doesnt take too much width space but also good and not too loud? How is the SAMA V-Nature Black?


I see that the current RAM is already CL30? T-FORCEFORCE DELTA RGB 6000MHz 32GB(16GBx2) CL30.
Are you suggesting another RAM?


To be honest, I generally like Invader as well. I see that they use better parts and all. However, Aftershock has a similar system going for 2.1k. Worth considering?

If you're considering other cases, you may want to look at options like the Lian Li O11 Air Mini (Black is out of stock) or the Lian Li 207 (restocking in April).

I've built with both cases, and I would say they are very user-friendly.

Regarding noise, as long as your fans don’t exceed 1,200 RPM, the system will generally remain silent.

However at this RPM, the airflow largely depends on the quality of the fans.

From my experience, Tecware cases are very budget-friendly, but their bundled fans have extremely poor airflow at 1,200 RPM (can barely feel the air pushing) compared to higher-quality fans from brands like Fractal, Noctua, Be Quiet!, and Phanteks which offer significantly better airflow even at the same RPM. I've tested this by running the fans taken outside the case, and the difference in airflow is actually pretty substantial.

When you use GPUs that don't have a gigantic heatsink, the airflow in your case actually start to matter and make a difference in temps because you need to dissipate the heat off the heatsink and case quicker than usual.

 

[soreloser]

Tecware cases can buy but best to change their crappy fan.
It may look nice but it doesn't blow any air at all.
As well as fan ball bearing can wear out easily, I chunk countless of Tecware
fan some not even a year.

The design is bad especially if the fan clogged up or jam with pet's fur the
fan is spoil.

Cheapest alternative will be:

1) Cooler Master TD300 at least it come with CM CF120 ARGB fan.
Just add one more fan for exhaust

2) Buy Tecware case than change all it's stock fan to CM CF120 ARGB fan.
Per fan is around $12, is the cheapest ARGB fan option.
However distro don't really bring in a lot of CM products locally so
to buy one can be difficult especially the case or the fan.
Which is why I don't want to mention it.
Tecware will be more easier to buy than CM.
CM Sickleflow actually in my testing is the best budget fan but this
line has EOL.
Unclear whether distro will bring in the newer line like CM Sickleflow edge
or MF 120 Lite range.

Next best case fan in my opinion will be Artic.

You can get 5 Thermalright C12C argb fans for $24 on taobao... $12 per case fan is same price as arctic P12 already, what's the point of cooler master fans lol.
The M12W infinity fans are $32 per 5 pack, which is $6.4 per fan, so much more value than whatever the cooler master one is

 

[deepblue_82]

it is technically a faster cpu for gaming, improving both average and 1% low fps over non x3d parts, but the margin u will get is likely lower than what u see in reviews where they test at a lower resolution (usually 1080p). not saying there wont be benefits at 1440p, its just that the benefit probably wont be as clear cut as reviews from when it was released show.

no, just save your money and get the 7700. zen5 outside of x3d is not worth for gaming, very little improvement.

if u can afford x3d, sure. but keep in mind that for aaa titles, generally the gpu is a bigger factor in performance, especially at qhd and higher resolutions. u can refer to this video for balancing ur budget between cpu and gpu.

i would trust the corsair rm series over the other psus they have on offer on the upgrade screen. since invader probably shares inventory with dynacore, maybe u can check if they offer seasonic units as well. as for whether 750w is enough, one bro mentioned on the rtx5000 thread that it may not be enough for a 5070ti. it could be an outlier case, since it is just a comment on a reddit post and the general consensus is that 750w is enough (was recommended by nvidia themselves). another bro on the rx9000 thread shared that his 550w is enough to handle his 9070xt, which consumes a similar amount of power, if not more, but did not share if he did any tuning. personally, id say the $25 top up to the a850gl for peace of mind is not a big amount, but is double the difference shown on dynacore price list.

oh i didnt check the base config, assumed it was some slower ram as i normally see with prebuilds then sticking to the default one is fine.

aftershock uses the crappy gb b650m gaming and lower quality parts like psu and ssd to hit that lower price point. i would stay away from it as technie mentioned.

listen to the man......................

 

[MilleniumX]

Haha I also don’t mind trying DIY. But I anyhow add up the parts from one of the price list I downloaded online, it is quite a bit more expensive to DIY though

also I don’t know how to hide all the wires so the entire system is very chio

Lastly, if got issue, I’ll be helpless haha

 

[deepblue_82]

Haha I also don’t mind trying DIY. But I anyhow add up the parts from one of the price list I downloaded online, it is quite a bit more expensive to DIY though

also I don’t know how to hide all the wires so the entire system is very chio

Lastly, if got issue, I’ll be helpless haha

if u lazy then u buy everthing.. then ask nigel to build for u... should be done in 3 hrs or shorter if he dont work on hand.
https://www.facebook.com/Pccareandsolution/

 

[MilleniumX]

Hi all, sorry to keep coming back to this. I was about to order on Invader and they came up with a refreshed builds.

Now there is a build M47 (R7 7800x3d + 5070 ti) which seems relatively affordable compared to others being offered. The M47 is mainly MSI while others are ASUS. See below some builds

1) Wanted to understand how come the pricing is like that. It is almost the same price as a R7 7700 (S13), and just by changing GPU to ASUS Prime and ASUS TUF, the pricing increased by $200 each time. Is ASUS really worth the premium>?

2) Also generally wanted to check if the parts for M47 are okay or require an upgrade? eg,
- worth changing mobo to ASUS TUF?
- Change RAM to G.Skill Flare CL30? that one is $72 upgrade - quite ex
- SSD and PSU okay?

M47 - $2,345
RYZEN 7 7800X3D
MSI GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti VENTUS 3X OC 16G
MSI B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI 6E (can upgrade to ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD for $20)
THERMALRIGHT PEERLESS ASSASSIN 120 SE ARGB AIR COOLER
CRUCIAL PRO DDR5 BLACK 6000MT/s 32GB(16GBx2) CL36
CRUCIAL P3 PLUS 1TB GEN4 NVMe M.2
SILVERSTONE TRITON 750RX 750W GOLD ATX3.1 PCIe5
(Will upgrade to a FD North ATX case so the case doesn't matter)

Some comparisons

A) S13 - $2,295
RYZEN 7 7700
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
ASUS PRIME GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti O16GB GDDR7
THERMALRIGHT ASSASSIN X 120 R DIGITAL ARGB BLACK
(rest are same as above)

B) S15 - $2,569
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
ASUS PRIME GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti O16GB GDDR7
(rest are same as above)

C) S20 - $2,738
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
ASUS TUF GAMING GeForce RTX™ 5070TI 16GB GDDR7
(rest are same as above)

Sorry for what seems like repeat questions.... getting very close!

 

[alauz]

Get the 7800X3D bah, $2345 is decent.

 

[Koenig168]

You can get 5 Thermalright C12C argb fans for $24 on taobao... $12 per case fan is same price as arctic P12 already, what's the point of cooler master fans lol.
The M12W infinity fans are $32 per 5 pack, which is $6.4 per fan, so much more value than whatever the cooler master one is

The only Cooler Master fan I would pay a premium for is the Prismatic. The rest don't impress me.

 

[soreloser]

The only Cooler Master fan I would pay a premium for is the Prismatic. The rest don't impress me.

i don't really know what CM fans are there, but if we are considering bang for buck, i think the TR ones from taobao are hard to beat.
That said, the CM prismatic fans do look pretty good

 

[86technie]

Hi all, sorry to keep coming back to this. I was about to order on Invader and they came up with a refreshed builds.

Now there is a build M47 (R7 7800x3d + 5070 ti) which seems relatively affordable compared to others being offered. The M47 is mainly MSI while others are ASUS. See below some builds

1) Wanted to understand how come the pricing is like that. It is almost the same price as a R7 7700 (S13), and just by changing GPU to ASUS Prime and ASUS TUF, the pricing increased by $200 each time. Is ASUS really worth the premium>?

2) Also generally wanted to check if the parts for M47 are okay or require an upgrade? eg,
- worth changing mobo to ASUS TUF?
- Change RAM to G.Skill Flare CL30? that one is $72 upgrade - quite ex
- SSD and PSU okay?

M47 - $2,345
RYZEN 7 7800X3D
MSI GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti VENTUS 3X OC 16G
MSI B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI 6E (can upgrade to ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD for $20)
THERMALRIGHT PEERLESS ASSASSIN 120 SE ARGB AIR COOLER
CRUCIAL PRO DDR5 BLACK 6000MT/s 32GB(16GBx2) CL36
CRUCIAL P3 PLUS 1TB GEN4 NVMe M.2
SILVERSTONE TRITON 750RX 750W GOLD ATX3.1 PCIe5
(Will upgrade to a FD North ATX case so the case doesn't matter)

Some comparisons

A) S13 - $2,295
RYZEN 7 7700
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
ASUS PRIME GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti O16GB GDDR7
THERMALRIGHT ASSASSIN X 120 R DIGITAL ARGB BLACK
(rest are same as above)

B) S15 - $2,569
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
ASUS PRIME GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti O16GB GDDR7
(rest are same as above)

C) S20 - $2,738
ASUS TUF GAMING B650M-E WIFI MOTHERBOARD
ASUS TUF GAMING GeForce RTX™ 5070TI 16GB GDDR7
(rest are same as above)

Sorry for what seems like repeat questions.... getting very close!

M47 - $2,345
RYZEN 7 9700X (Cheaper than 3D)
MSI GeForce RTX™ 5070 Ti VENTUS 3X OC 16G
MSI B650M GAMING PLUS WIFI 6E MSI B850 GAMING PLUS WIF
THERMALRIGHT PEERLESS ASSASSIN 120 SE ARGB AIR COOLER
CRUCIAL PRO DDR5 BLACK 6000MT/s 32GB(16GBx2) CL36
CRUCIAL P3 PLUS 1TB GEN4 NVMe M.2 Lexar NM790 1TB will be faster than this.
SILVERSTONE TRITON 750RX 750W GOLD ATX3.1 PCIe5 Corsair RM850E
(Will upgrade to a FD North ATX case so the case doesn't matter)

PS please respect my opinion and suggestion.
IT service center here, I build and repair PC for many different users.
I know what works and what not not anyhow.

Every builder will have their perference or choice of parts, is not prefix
to SKU.
BTW the FD North is quite big and since you are getting a MATX motherboard.
Get a different case.
Maybe something like this or change the motherboard to ATX.