Eczema

[alphaxw]

It depends. If it doesn't get worse with swimming/exercise, go ahead. If it does, then avoid swimming, or apply loads of moisturiser after. Exercise wise, maybe wear sweat absorbent clothes etc.

And eczema is like an allergy, basically body's immune system very active and usually normal things irritate the skin. Just like how it's damn hard to treat allergies, it's damn hard to CURE eczema completely. Best way is to be gentle to the skin and worst case lower the immune system of the body with medicine (but this causes loads of side effects too).

If ezcema is bad, still allowed to go swimming pool? Those with eczema, do you all still exercise? Will perspiration make it worse?

 

[Dreamerific]

Hello fellow Singaporeans,

May I suggest something that actually works?
Stop wasting your money on BS creams and stuff and actually get to the root of the problem.

I am going to tell you things that will make you go "F you lah, who cares about that" but hear me out as I was once like that too.

Pharmacuetical companies get rich when you stay sick. The meat and dairy industry pay off scientists to do bad studies to say that meat is healthy etc.

Solution: Go on a Vegan diet. Period.

WHO classifies meat as a carcinogen to humans, not to mention that 75% of humans are allergic to lactose in dairy products.

Fixing your diet is something so simple that it is often overlooked. And your doctor probably has told you that diet has nothing to do with it. Do you know doctors have an average of only 2 hours of nutrition training?

Go Youtube the works of Dr Neal Barnard, John McDougall, Kim A Williams.


"What the dairy industry doesn't want you to know" by Dr Neal Barnard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3c_D0s391Q
"Alzeimer Prevention" by Dr Neal Barnard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-v6kS5Q3q0
"Foods for protecting the body & Mind" by Dr Neal Barnard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHYHjchn6w
"The Starch Solution"by Dr John McDougall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XVf36nwraw
"Latest scams by the diabetic industry" by Dr John McDougall https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgE2IdL6tMw

"Glass Walls" by Paul McCartney https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql8xkSYvwJs.
Eating animals is bad karma.

Only herbivores(humans) can get atherosclerosis (clogging of the arteries)

It has been proven that by going Vegan, you can reverse cardiovascular disease and diabetes, the same diseases that your doctor says cannot be treated. Prevent Alzheimers and cancers.

Remember that the meat and dairy industries and pharmacuetical companies get rich when you stay sick.

Going vegan is not a restrictive diet at all, there are vegan alternatives to icecream which you can find in cold storage. Many snacks are vegan by accident(even though they are also not that healthy). You can cook and bake the same foods by replacing eggs and milk etc. with vegan alternatives.
Vegan food actually tastes much better. (I was a heavy meat eater once)

Vegetarian diet does not cut it at all.

It is no coincidence that many of the top athletes, doctors, nutritionists are vegans. Scott Jurek (Ultramarathon), Num 1 tennis players Serena/Vanessa Williams and Novac Djokovich, Record breaking strength athlete Patrik Baboumian, and many others. Just google and you can find many vegan athletes.

I suffered from allergic rhinitis/eczema since childhood and it greatly affected my studies until I went Vegan last year, conditions are improving and I get milder and less frequent flare ups.

 

[evilerniex]

I got gout on top of eczema.. So cant eat beans and nuts. Cannot go vegan

 

[Dreamerific]

If you have gout, all the more you should go vegan. Animal protein causes gout due to the high purine contents.

https://goutandyou.com/gout-and-beans/

Beans does not affect gout.

Everyone is going to find excuses not to go vegan but I urge you to do more research.

 

[galapogos]

Hello fellow Singaporeans,

May I suggest something that actually works?
Stop wasting your money on BS creams and stuff and actually get to the root of the problem.

I am going to tell you things that will make you go "F you lah, who cares about that" but hear me out as I was once like that too.

Pharmacuetical companies get rich when you stay sick. The meat and dairy industry pay off scientists to do bad studies to say that meat is healthy etc.

Solution: Go on a Vegan diet. Period.

If you're going to make claims, please back them up with evidence. Not anecdotal, not youtube videos or books.

Veganism doesn't cure anything. Humans are omnivores. We would get Vitamin B12 deficiency if we don't eat meat. Vegans who don't supplement with vitamin B12 or consume B12 fortified foods would get Vitamin B12 deficiency. That alone should be a red flag.

 

[Dreamerific]

Sorry galapagos, you should do more research instead. 50% of meat eaters are also B12 deficient, it is not a vegan deficiency. Animals are injected with B12 supplements as they are deficient due to modern farming methods. B12 is produced by bacteria. Might as well supplement B12 yourself directly, it is dirt cheap. Everyone should be taking B12 supplements. You only need 2.4 mg a day, you can get trace amounts from seaweed, mushrooms, algae as a vegan. But it is safer to supplement. Also, Vegans who eat raw fruits and vegetables have no deficiency in B12 due to the the ingestion of trace amounts of bacteria from soil/dirt etc.

All my claims are backed up if you bothered to google/youtube those names. None of those claims are anecdotal. I only shared my own anecdotal experience towards the end of the post which is like 5% of the entire post? Because I suffered from the same conditions(eczema).

In fact, you'd be more deficient eating animal products as dairy products blocks iron absorption leading to anemia, leaching of calcium from your bones leading to osteoporosis(Basic nutrition and biochemistry). Get your vitamins from dark leafy green vegetables instead for example: Kale.

A vegan diet is the only proven diet to reverse atherosclerosis which is the narrowing of the arteries due to clogging. This leads to heart disease, stroke, erectile dysfunction etc, etc as blood is unable to flow properly.

A vegan diet is the only diet to treat type 2 diabetes, prevent alzheimers, cancers, many other modern illnesses.

I already provided some links to talks from world renowned doctors/researchers and you only have to click on it and see the evidence for yourself. It is easier for you guys to understand too.

Feel free for further debate.

Cheers!

 

[evilerniex]

If you have gout, all the more you should go vegan. Animal protein causes gout due to the high purine contents.

https://goutandyou.com/gout-and-beans/

Beans does not affect gout.

Everyone is going to find excuses not to go vegan but I urge you to do more research.

I have monitored my diet, and beans are definitely one of the tigger for gout attacks for me.

Doctors all still caution against beans and nuts for gout sufferers, despite some new studies that suggest plant protein no link

 

[Dreamerific]

Unfortunately, most doctors know nothing about nutrition. Eating western medicine has tons of negative side effects, plus they get to drive their BMW. Eating starch, fruits, vegetables only has positive side effects.

If beans are a problem for you, you do not have to eat beans what. Haha! All plants have proteins, if you are getting enough calories as a vegan, you will get enough protein. You do not really need much protein in the first place, at least 0.8 - 1.0 grams of protein per kilogram of bodyweight or about 10-20 % of total calories even if you are a vegan bodybuilder. You do not even need to worry about hitting your protein requirements as long as you get sufficient calories.

 

[Marissa0716]

I have monitored my diet, and beans are definitely one of the tigger for gout attacks for me.

Doctors all still caution against beans and nuts for gout sufferers, despite some new studies that suggest plant protein no link

Stop eating all plant and animal protein until your gout is reduced. Once reduced start eating protein but in small quantity. If u eat a huge piece of steak, gout will trigger again.

You can recover without eating any medicine. Just do the above.

Gout is due to your body having too much protein but lack of physical activity

 

[galapogos]

Sorry galapagos, you should do more research instead.

Oh, you want research? Sure, I'll oblige. I'm no Alan Aragon, but I'll take a shot.

50% of meat eaters are also B12 deficient, it is not a vegan deficiency.

Source?
Here's mine - "Mean serum vitamin B12 was highest among omnivores (281, 95% CI: 270-292 pmol/l), intermediate among vegetarians (182, 95% CI: 175-189 pmol/l) and lowest among vegans (122, 95% CI: 117-127 pmol/l). In all, 52% of vegans, 7% of vegetarians and one omnivore were classified as vitamin B12 deficient (defined as serum vitamin B12 <118 pmol/l)." (emphasis mine)
#2 - "The most common explanations for poor vitamin B12 status are a low dietary intake of the vitamin (i.e., a low intake of animal-source foods) and malabsorption. Although it has long been known that strict vegetarians (vegans) are at risk for vitamin B12 deficiency, evidence now indicates that low intakes of animal-source foods, such as occur in some lacto-ovo vegetarians and many less-industrialized countries, cause vitamin B12 depletion." (emphasis mine)
#3 - "A 14-year-old white girl suffered from severe neurologic disturbances caused by vitamin B12 deficiency, due to failure to provide vitamin B12 supplementation to a strictly vegetarian diet. The disturbances resolved completely following treatment with vitamin B12. Physicians should be alert to the necessity for vitamin B12 supplementation for strict vegetarians, who eat no meat, fish, eggs, or dairy products." (emphasis mine)
#4 - "Vitamin B-12 deficiency is highly prevalent in vegetarians; this can be partially alleviated by taking dairy/egg products in lact-ovo-vegetarians. However, metabolic vitamin B-12 deficiency is highly prevalent in vegetarians in Australia, Germany, Italy and Austria, and in vegans (80%) in Hong Kong and India, where vegans rarely take vitamin B-12 fortified food or vitamin B-12 supplements. Similar deficiencies exist in northern Chinese rural communities consuming inadequate meat, egg or dairy products due to poverty or dietary habits. Vascular studies have demonstrated impaired arterial endothelial function and increased carotid intima-media thickness as atherosclerosis surrogates in such metabolic vitamin B-12 deficient populations, but not in lactovegetarians in China." (emphasis mine)
#5 - "The deficiency prevalence among infants reached 45%. The deficiency among the children and adolescents ranged from 0 to 33.3%. Deficiency among pregnant women ranged from 17 to 39%, dependent on the trimester. Adults and elderly individuals had a deficiency range of 0-86.5%. Higher deficiency prevalence was reported in vegans than in other vegetarians. Thus, with few exceptions, the reviewed studies documented relatively high deficiency prevalence among vegetarians. Vegans who do not ingest vitamin B12 supplements were found to be at especially high risk." (emphasis mine)
#6 - "A 7-month-old male presented with lethargy and failure to thrive. The child was exclusively breast-fed from birth by a mother who was a strict vegetarian. Laboratory data revealed macrocytic anemia and methylmalonic acid in the urine, consistent with vitamin B12 deficient anemia. The patient responded well to supplementation with B12 alone and was developmentally normal by 11 months of age. This study emphasizes the need for assuring maternal dietary adequacy during pregnancy and after birth."
#7 - "A common mistake is to think that the presence of dairy products and eggs in the diet, as in LOV, can still ensure a proper intake of Cbl, despite excluding animal flesh. In reality, consumption of such foods, despite containing significant amounts of Cbl, would be sufficient neither on a daily basis nor in order to meet vitamin requirements", "In Western countries, the intake of Cbl in the general population appears to be above the estimated requirements", "Recent studies reported low serum cobalamin among vegetarians [103]. A deficiency in 11%–90% of elderly, 62% of pregnant women, 25%–86% of children, and 21%–41% of adolescents has been documented [110]. In a systematic review of literature based on the blood concentration of Cbl among vegetarians, a deficiency was present ranging from 0% to 86.5% among adults and elderly, up to 45% in infants, from 0% to 33.3% in children and adolescents, and from 17% to 39% among pregnant women", "However, despite the use of fortified foods, deficiency over a period of five years could occur, demonstrating a continuing insufficient intake or a possible decline in the absorptive capacity due to aging [114]. In all likelihood, even when supplementation occurs, it is possible that concentrations sufficient to avoid the reduction of body stock in the liver, blood and kidney cannot be reached. The liver is the main reservoir with a capacity of around 1–1.5 mg of Cbl", "In adult German vegetarians, Cbl deficiency was present in 58%–66% or 61%–72% of participants if both criteria HTCII/MMA or HTCII alone were adopted, respectively", "Vegetables like broccoli, asparagus and bean sprouts contain only traces of Cbl [174]. The presence of 0.1–1.2 μg/100 g in tea leaves is not enough to consider tea as an adequate source for daily intake [175]. The most commonly eaten mushrooms in Europe, such as porcini and pleurotus, do not contain relevant amounts of Cbl" (emphasis mine)

I could go on...but I think my point is clear. Veganism is associated with higher levels of B12 deficiency.

Animals are injected with B12 supplements as they are deficient due to modern farming methods.

Source?

B12 is produced by bacteria. Might as well supplement B12 yourself directly, it is dirt cheap. Everyone should be taking B12 supplements. You only need 2.4 mg a day, you can get trace amounts from seaweed, mushrooms, algae as a vegan. But it is safer to supplement.

Source?

Here's mine - "Vegetables like broccoli, asparagus and bean sprouts contain only traces of Cbl [174]. The presence of 0.1–1.2 μg/100 g in tea leaves is not enough to consider tea as an adequate source for daily intake [175]. The most commonly eaten mushrooms in Europe, such as porcini and pleurotus, do not contain relevant amounts of Cbl" (emphasis mine)

Seaweed is a viable source of vitamin B12, I'll give you that, but if for a diet to work requires you to eat 1 specific food item to stop it from causing deficiency, it kinda calls its health claims to question doesn't it?

Also, Vegans who eat raw fruits and vegetables have no deficiency in B12 due to the the ingestion of trace amounts of bacteria from soil/dirt etc.

Source?
Here's mine - "However, the consumption of several hundred grams of fresh spinach would be insufficient to meet the RDA of 2.4 μg/day for adult humans" (emphasis mine)

I love raw spinach, it's been touted as a superfood, but I don't love it so much as to eat a kilo of it a day. I'm not sure most people do either.

All my claims are backed up if you bothered to google/youtube those names. None of those claims are anecdotal. I only shared my own anecdotal experience towards the end of the post which is like 5% of the entire post? Because I suffered from the same conditions(eczema).

Backing up with youtube videos and name dropping is not backing up with evidence. I have a youtube channel as well, I could put up a video saying the earth is flat, that doesn't mean it is, and referring to names is simply an appeal to authority fallacy.

In fact, you'd be more deficient eating animal products as dairy products blocks iron absorption leading to anemia, leaching of calcium from your bones leading to osteoporosis(Basic nutrition and biochemistry). Get your vitamins from dark leafy green vegetables instead for example: Kale.

This is contradictory to the multiple links to research studies that claim otherwise.
Get your micronutrients from a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, meat, seafood, grains, nuts, etc, i.e. FOOD.

A vegan diet is the only proven diet to reverse atherosclerosis which is the narrowing of the arteries due to clogging. This leads to heart disease, stroke, erectile dysfunction etc, etc as blood is unable to flow properly.

A vegan diet is the only diet to treat type 2 diabetes, prevent alzheimers, cancers, many other modern illnesses.

Source?

I already provided some links to talks from world renowned doctors/researchers and you only have to click on it and see the evidence for yourself. It is easier for you guys to understand too.

Feel free for further debate.

Cheers!

Looking forward to it.

 

[Dreamerific]

Oh, you want research? Sure, I'll oblige. I'm no Alan Aragon, but I'll take a shot.


Source?
Here's mine - "Mean serum vitamin B12 was highest among omnivores (281, 95% CI: 270-292 pmol/l), intermediate among vegetarians (182, 95% CI: 175-189 pmol/l) and lowest among vegans (122, 95% CI: 117-127 pmol/l). In all, 52% of vegans, 7% of vegetarians and one omnivore were classified as vitamin B12 deficient (defined as serum vitamin B12 <118 pmol/l)." (emphasis mine)
#2 - "The most common explanations for poor vitamin B12 status are a low dietary intake of the vitamin (i.e., a low intake of animal-source foods) and malabsorption. Although it has long been known that strict vegetarians (vegans) are at risk for vitamin B12 deficiency, evidence now indicates that low intakes of animal-source foods, such as occur in some lacto-ovo vegetarians and many less-industrialized countries, cause vitamin B12 depletion." (emphasis mine)
#3 - "A 14-year-old white girl suffered from severe neurologic disturbances caused by vitamin B12 deficiency, due to failure to provide vitamin B12 supplementation to a strictly vegetarian diet. The disturbances resolved completely following treatment with vitamin B12. Physicians should be alert to the necessity for vitamin B12 supplementation for strict vegetarians, who eat no meat, fish, eggs, or dairy products." (emphasis mine)
#4 - "Vitamin B-12 deficiency is highly prevalent in vegetarians; this can be partially alleviated by taking dairy/egg products in lact-ovo-vegetarians. However, metabolic vitamin B-12 deficiency is highly prevalent in vegetarians in Australia, Germany, Italy and Austria, and in vegans (80%) in Hong Kong and India, where vegans rarely take vitamin B-12 fortified food or vitamin B-12 supplements. Similar deficiencies exist in northern Chinese rural communities consuming inadequate meat, egg or dairy products due to poverty or dietary habits. Vascular studies have demonstrated impaired arterial endothelial function and increased carotid intima-media thickness as atherosclerosis surrogates in such metabolic vitamin B-12 deficient populations, but not in lactovegetarians in China." (emphasis mine)
#5 - "The deficiency prevalence among infants reached 45%. The deficiency among the children and adolescents ranged from 0 to 33.3%. Deficiency among pregnant women ranged from 17 to 39%, dependent on the trimester. Adults and elderly individuals had a deficiency range of 0-86.5%. Higher deficiency prevalence was reported in vegans than in other vegetarians. Thus, with few exceptions, the reviewed studies documented relatively high deficiency prevalence among vegetarians. Vegans who do not ingest vitamin B12 supplements were found to be at especially high risk." (emphasis mine)
#6 - "A 7-month-old male presented with lethargy and failure to thrive. The child was exclusively breast-fed from birth by a mother who was a strict vegetarian. Laboratory data revealed macrocytic anemia and methylmalonic acid in the urine, consistent with vitamin B12 deficient anemia. The patient responded well to supplementation with B12 alone and was developmentally normal by 11 months of age. This study emphasizes the need for assuring maternal dietary adequacy during pregnancy and after birth."
#7 - "A common mistake is to think that the presence of dairy products and eggs in the diet, as in LOV, can still ensure a proper intake of Cbl, despite excluding animal flesh. In reality, consumption of such foods, despite containing significant amounts of Cbl, would be sufficient neither on a daily basis nor in order to meet vitamin requirements", "In Western countries, the intake of Cbl in the general population appears to be above the estimated requirements", "Recent studies reported low serum cobalamin among vegetarians [103]. A deficiency in 11%–90% of elderly, 62% of pregnant women, 25%–86% of children, and 21%–41% of adolescents has been documented [110]. In a systematic review of literature based on the blood concentration of Cbl among vegetarians, a deficiency was present ranging from 0% to 86.5% among adults and elderly, up to 45% in infants, from 0% to 33.3% in children and adolescents, and from 17% to 39% among pregnant women", "However, despite the use of fortified foods, deficiency over a period of five years could occur, demonstrating a continuing insufficient intake or a possible decline in the absorptive capacity due to aging [114]. In all likelihood, even when supplementation occurs, it is possible that concentrations sufficient to avoid the reduction of body stock in the liver, blood and kidney cannot be reached. The liver is the main reservoir with a capacity of around 1–1.5 mg of Cbl", "In adult German vegetarians, Cbl deficiency was present in 58%–66% or 61%–72% of participants if both criteria HTCII/MMA or HTCII alone were adopted, respectively", "Vegetables like broccoli, asparagus and bean sprouts contain only traces of Cbl [174]. The presence of 0.1–1.2 μg/100 g in tea leaves is not enough to consider tea as an adequate source for daily intake [175]. The most commonly eaten mushrooms in Europe, such as porcini and pleurotus, do not contain relevant amounts of Cbl" (emphasis mine)

I could go on...but I think my point is clear. Veganism is associated with higher levels of B12 deficiency.


Source?


Source?

Here's mine - "Vegetables like broccoli, asparagus and bean sprouts contain only traces of Cbl [174]. The presence of 0.1–1.2 μg/100 g in tea leaves is not enough to consider tea as an adequate source for daily intake [175]. The most commonly eaten mushrooms in Europe, such as porcini and pleurotus, do not contain relevant amounts of Cbl" (emphasis mine)

Seaweed is a viable source of vitamin B12, I'll give you that, but if for a diet to work requires you to eat 1 specific food item to stop it from causing deficiency, it kinda calls its health claims to question doesn't it?


Source?
Here's mine - "However, the consumption of several hundred grams of fresh spinach would be insufficient to meet the RDA of 2.4 μg/day for adult humans" (emphasis mine)

I love raw spinach, it's been touted as a superfood, but I don't love it so much as to eat a kilo of it a day. I'm not sure most people do either.



Backing up with youtube videos and name dropping is not backing up with evidence. I have a youtube channel as well, I could put up a video saying the earth is flat, that doesn't mean it is, and referring to names is simply an appeal to authority fallacy.


This is contradictory to the multiple links to research studies that claim otherwise.
Get your micronutrients from a wide variety of fruits, vegetables, meat, seafood, grains, nuts, etc, i.e. FOOD.


Source?


Looking forward to it.

B12 is easily supplemented. Everyone should be taking B12 supplements, as mentioned before, alot of meat eaters are also deficient in B12 even though they have higher average B12 than vegans. Most of the vegans in that study are not supplementing with B12 which is why they are deficient. Vegans are suppose to supplement with B12. You can easily get B12 in a vegan diet through fortified foods (cereals, soy milk) if you do not want to supplement directly.

Animals get B12 by ingesting feaces and soil when they eat grass etc. Due to modern factory farming, they do not get sufficient B12 as they no longer graze in the wild. You can argue with grass-fed but the Earth does not have enough land to allow an abundance of that in the first place. Like I said, most factory farmed animals are supplemented with B12 so might as well get it first hand instead, not to mention the additional antibiotics, heavy metals, hormones you're getting that leads to other negative side effects as well.

Meat eaters are deficient in many more various vitamins and minerals, and you're attacking on B12

Deficiencies on a vegan diet is often because of not eating sufficient calories in the first place, or lack of knowledge about nutrition, or using a fad vegan diet such as raw veganism, or fruitarianism. There is no way you can be deficient if you are eating a properly planned vegan diet.

You're tunnelling in on B12 because that's the only thing you can attack when there are so many other health "red flags" with the consumption of animal products. Supplementing with B12 is so much easier than increasing your risk of a whole hosts of other illnesses, disease, alzheimers, cancers, allergies from consuming animal products dude. I'm pretty sure the average omnivore are on more supplementation than Vegans on B12.

Furthermore, if you lift, "Vegan men have higher testosterone than non vegans" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf

Linking a bunch of pubmed studies is confirmation bias, and a pubmed warrior https://criticalmas.com/2012/11/not-a-pubmed-warrior/
No one here can properly analyze the studies as there are many low quality, irrelevant studies. I can easily find an equal amount of studies to counter yours but I will not because it is a major waste of time and further confuses people. Alot of meat and dairy industry and pharmaceutical companies fund these studies to put vegans in a bad light and get people to purchase meat (billion dollar industry). Researchers can purposely get deficient vegans and compare with healthier omnivores to get inaccurate data.

Why not listen to real doctors who has done decades of research and have a high success rate of treating patients with "untreatable disease" such as Dr Neal Barnard, Dr McDougall, Dr Kim A Williams instead? They are not trying to sell you anything and are the top experts in the field of health and nutrition. I think you should spend more time to refute the very real negative health implications of being a meat eater/omnivore than attack vitamin B12 which is something so easy and dirt cheap to attain.

Sources:
"Humans are herbivores" http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/animal-products/
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/plant-based-diets
"Organic meats are not health foods"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/organic-meats-are-not-health-foods
"Prostate cancer and milk"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics//milk-and-prostate-cancer-the-evidence-mounts
"Preventing and reversing osteoporosis"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/preventing-and-reversing-osteoporosis
"Heart disease, cancer, stroke"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/the-major-killers-of-americans-research-and
"Meat consumption and cancer"http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
"B12: if-i-need-to-take-a-supplement-how-can-a-vegan-diet-be-natural-responding-to-the-common-critique" http://www.thefullhelping.com/if-i-...be-natural-responding-to-the-common-critique/
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/dont-vegetarians-have-trouble-getting-enough
"B12: its-a-lie-vegans-are-not-lacking-in-vitamin-b12"http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/why...ie-vegans-are-not-lacking-in-vitamin-b12.html
"B12"https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm

 

[artix404]

There is hope in tomorrow

2 of my colleagues have eczema and they have both been cured by Dr Ong Swee Ling (TCM physician) http://drongsweeling.blogspot.sg/p/eczema-cases.html Dr Ong is recommended by colleague A and then colleague B went to see her.

We work in the pharmaceutical industry & we develop dermatological products for acne, eczema, etc., so by recommending TCM here, it's like slapping ourselves. However, my view is health is more important.

Because without health, you only have 1 goal - till the point that it consumes you, every day you just want to get well again.

I have a long-time friend who is suffering from eczema and it breaks my heart to see her battling this deliberating condition (it is very exhausting; her brother also has the same medical issue), so I understand the state of mind sufferers go through. Now she's undergoing TCM treatment, but I'm not sure if she is going to Dr Ong.

Maybe someone else, but the point is I hope this piece of recommendation will help many out there. I am not affiliated to Dr Ong or her clinic. As someone has pointed out, more people has come to realise that eczema is an autoimmune disorder where the immune system mistakenly attacks the skin.

Moisturising is still essential, because your skin barrier is broken and you need to treat that topically. A skin functions to protect your body from infections caused by many pathogens out there e.g. bacteria, fungi.

Usually the Drs will give steroid creams first to treat the inflammation. But after the inflammation goes away, please try to stop using it. Because I trust many know, it's not a long-term solution & the more you use it, your body will over rely on it.

And concurrently you still have to treat the underlying root cause of the condition. Fighting eczema is on 2 fronts - both external & inner.

You will need to find something to treat the imbalance internally, whether it's TCM, being vegetarian (be sure to supplement with B12 some meat eaters do have B12 deficiency due to problem in converting to useable B12 for the body), Lingzhi etc.

Just my two cents. Different people have different preferences and their bodies are also the same. Hope eczema sufferers do not give up. May health be with you all.

 

[galapogos]

B12 is easily supplemented. Everyone should be taking B12 supplements, as mentioned before, alot of meat eaters are also deficient in B12 even though they have higher average B12 than vegans.

You keep saying this. Sure, B12 is easily supplemented, but so are so many other micro nutrients. Why not supplement everything? You also offer no evidence that meat eaters are deficient in B12, despite claiming it many times. Now, fire the sake of argument, let's say you're right(which again, no evidence). In this case, it's just as easy for a meat eater to supplement with B12, hence negating any advantage you think a vegan diet has.

Most of the vegans in that study are not supplementing with B12 which is why they are deficient. Vegans are suppose to supplement with B12. You can easily get B12 in a vegan diet through fortified foods (cereals, soy milk) if you do not want to supplement directly.

Animals get B12 by ingesting feaces and soil when they eat grass etc. Due to modern factory farming, they do not get sufficient B12 as they no longer graze in the wild. You can argue with grass-fed but the Earth does not have enough land to allow an abundance of that in the first place. Like I said, most factory farmed animals are supplemented with B12 so might as well get it first hand instead, not to mention the additional antibiotics, heavy metals, hormones you're getting that leads to other negative side effects as well.

Meat eaters are deficient in many more various vitamins and minerals, and you're attacking on B12

Another claim without evidence. It is hard to imagine that a diet that excludes an entire group of foods leads to less nutritional deficiencies than one that doesn't.

Deficiencies on a vegan diet is often because of not eating sufficient calories in the first place, or lack of knowledge about nutrition, or using a fad vegan diet such as raw veganism, or fruitarianism. There is no way you can be deficient if you are eating a properly planned vegan diet.

Unless you forget to supplement...oops.

You're tunnelling in on B12 because that's the only thing you can attack when there are so many other health "red flags" with the consumption of animal products. Supplementing with B12 is so much easier than increasing your risk of a whole hosts of other illnesses, disease, alzheimers, cancers, allergies from consuming animal products dude. I'm pretty sure the average omnivore are on more supplementation than Vegans on B12.

Sorry, but "pretty sure" doesn't count as evidence.

Furthermore, if you lift, "Vegan men have higher testosterone than non vegans" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2374537/pdf/83-6691152a.pdf

Linking a bunch of pubmed studies is confirmation bias, and a pubmed warrior https://criticalmas.com/2012/11/not-a-pubmed-warrior/
No one here can properly analyze the studies as there are many low quality, irrelevant studies. I can easily find an equal amount of studies to counter yours but I will not because it is a major waste of time and further confuses people. Alot of meat and dairy industry and pharmaceutical companies fund these studies to put vegans in a bad light and get people to purchase meat (billion dollar industry). Researchers can purposely get deficient vegans and compare with healthier omnivores to get inaccurate data.

There is this concept in research called "weight of the evidence". It refers to the notion that if the majority of evidence supports a hypothesis, while only a minority doesn't, then there is a high level of confidence that the hypothesis is correct. This is how scientists can agree that climate change is happening, or that vaccines don't cause autism. There are always a fringe group of climate change deniers and anti vaxxers, but we have a high level of confidence that they are wrong. Your statements make you sound like you're in the same fringe group.
As for analysing studies, while not everyone may know what p values mean, it didn't take a rocket scientist to understand that randomised, placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies with a large sample size is better than, say, case studies, or rodent studies.

Why not listen to real doctors who has done decades of research and have a high success rate of treating patients with "untreatable disease" such as Dr Neal Barnard, Dr McDougall, Dr Kim A Williams instead? They are not trying to sell you anything and are the top experts in the field of health and nutrition. I think you should spend more time to refute the very real negative health implications of being a meat eater/omnivore than attack vitamin B12 which is something so easy and dirt cheap to attain.

Because this is appeal to authority. Doctors can be wrong too, but data is less likely to be. Look at the data, look at the evidence, rather than listen to gurus.

Sources:
"Humans are herbivores" http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/natural.html
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/animal-products/
http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/plant-based-diets
"Organic meats are not health foods"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/organic-meats-are-not-health-foods
"Prostate cancer and milk"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics//milk-and-prostate-cancer-the-evidence-mounts
"Preventing and reversing osteoporosis"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/preventing-and-reversing-osteoporosis
"Heart disease, cancer, stroke"http://www.pcrm.org/health/health-topics/the-major-killers-of-americans-research-and
"Meat consumption and cancer"http://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/diet-cancer/facts/meat-consumption-and-cancer-risk
"B12: if-i-need-to-take-a-supplement-how-can-a-vegan-diet-be-natural-responding-to-the-common-critique" http://www.thefullhelping.com/if-i-...be-natural-responding-to-the-common-critique/
http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/dont-vegetarians-have-trouble-getting-enough
"B12: its-a-lie-vegans-are-not-lacking-in-vitamin-b12"http://www.rawfoodexplained.com/why...ie-vegans-are-not-lacking-in-vitamin-b12.html
"B12"https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/nov/b12.htm

Again, a bunch of internet articles that anyone can write does not constitute evidence and research.

 

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You keep saying this. Sure, B12 is easily supplemented, but so are so many other micro nutrients. Why not supplement everything? You also offer no evidence that meat eaters are deficient in B12, despite claiming it many times. Now, fire the sake of argument, let's say you're right(which again, no evidence). In this case, it's just as easy for a meat eater to supplement with B12, hence negating any advantage you think a vegan diet has.


Another claim without evidence. It is hard to imagine that a diet that excludes an entire group of foods leads to less nutritional deficiencies than one that doesn't.


Unless you forget to supplement...oops.


Sorry, but "pretty sure" doesn't count as evidence.


There is this concept in research called "weight of the evidence". It refers to the notion that if the majority of evidence supports a hypothesis, while only a minority doesn't, then there is a high level of confidence that the hypothesis is correct. This is how scientists can agree that climate change is happening, or that vaccines don't cause autism. There are always a fringe group of climate change deniers and anti vaxxers, but we have a high level of confidence that they are wrong. Your statements make you sound like you're in the same fringe group.
As for analysing studies, while not everyone may know what p values mean, it didn't take a rocket scientist to understand that randomised, placebo controlled, peer reviewed studies with a large sample size is better than, say, case studies, or rodent studies.


Because this is appeal to authority. Doctors can be wrong too, but data is less likely to be. Look at the data, look at the evidence, rather than listen to gurus.


Again, a bunch of internet articles that anyone can write does not constitute evidence and research.

Meat is mainly macros, and has little to no micro-nutrients and 0 fiber. You argue that omnivores(meat + plants) are healthy, and that eliminating entire food groups is not? You can get all the same macros in animals from plants, thereby your argument is invalid.

You are right, doctors can be wrong. But the doctors I mentioned are not your generic ones, they are the "top dogs" in the medical field. Why don't you google their names and find out who they are?

Yet here you are again totally ignoring the overwhelming research that points to the negative health implications of meat. If you have a basic understanding of biochemistry and nutrition, you would know that your body leaches calcium from your bones to neutralize the acidity of animal proteins, especially from dairy products, leading to osteoporosis.
Not to mention the high consumption of meat/poultry raises estrogen and lowers testosterone in humans.

Animal proteins are high in the amino acid methionine which directly feeds cancer cells. Animal proteins also raises IGF-1 levels which promotes the growth of cancer cells, while plant proteins do not.

I do not need to link the overwhelming evidence on things that is proven and anyone can find online if you're genuinely interested to find out. But it seems like you dgaf.
imho, you sound like you work for the meat/dairy industry lol.

If you even bother to read the links, tons of research is referenced at the bottom of the articles.

Here are just at least 100:

http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/cutting-red-meat-for-a-longer-life
http://www.health.harvard.edu/digestive-health/harvard-researchers-link-diverticulitis-to-red-meat
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2586336/pdf/cwn072.pdf


1.) Neu5Gc is almost always found in human tumors. The inflammation it causes seems to feed tumors and harden arteries.
Source: Diversity in specificity, abundance, and composition of anti-Neu5Gc antibodies in normal humans: potential implications for disease. Glycobiology. 2008 Oct;18(10):818-30.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2586336/pdf/cwn072.pdf

2.) AGEs are gerontotoxins (aka aging toxins). AGEs cause proteins to cross together causing stiffness, oxidation stress, and inflammation in muscles, brain tissue, eyes, heart, bone, red blood cells, and kidneys. Thought to contribute to muscle loss as we age.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3704564/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2920582/pdf/glq074.pdf

3.) Arachidonic acid (naturally found in animal foods) is linked to brain inflammation, depression, anxiety, and stress. Arachidonic acid is used by our bodies to create inflammation. Our bodies produce all the arachidonic acid we need unlike other animals (e.g. cats) who produce little to none because their bodies expect to get theirs from their diet (meat). Excess arachidonic acid means excess inflammation.
Source: Preliminary evidence that vegetarian diet improves mood. American Public Health Association annual conference, November 7-11, 2009. Philadelphia, PA.
https://apha.confex.com/apha/137am/webprogram/Paper206464.html

4.) Chicken and eggs are the top sources of arachidonic acid.
https://epi.grants.cancer.gov/diet/foodsources/fatty_acids/table4.html

5.) A single meal of high-fat animal products has been shown to spike inflammation within hours that can stiffen one’s arteries. Wild animal meat also causes inflammation. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9036757

6.) High-fat animal products consumed will cause inflammation within the lungs. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9036757

7.) Significant levels of bacterial toxins are found in animal products that cause endotoxemia (bacterial toxins in the bloodstream) within hours of eating. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20849668

8.) Bacteria endotoxins from animal products have been shown to survive high heat cooking for long periods, acid (like our stomachs), and digestive enzymes. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20849668

9.) Endotoxins have a strong affinity for the fat transport system in our digestive tract. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20849668

10.) Even wild, grass consuming animals cause inflammation in our bodies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20377925

11.) Dietary fat of animal origin is linked to pancreatic cancer.
Source: Dietary fatty acids and pancreatic cancer in the NIH-AARP diet and health study. J Natl Cancer Inst. 2009 Jul 15;101(14):1001-11. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19561318

12.) The chicken has been linked to urinary tract infections.
Source: Chicken as reservoir for extraintestinal pathogenic Escherichia coli in humans, Canada. Emerg Infect Dis. 2012 Mar;18(3):415-21. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22377351
Source: Is Escherichia coli urinary tract infection a zoonosis? Proof of direct link with production animals and meat. Eur J Clin Microbiol Infect Dis. 2012 Jun;31(6):1121-9.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22033854

13.) Feeding of cow brains to fish is still legal in the United States (brain cows being fed to cows and other livestock used to be legal and practiced a few years ago) and german scientists have shown fish can acquire mad cow disease.
Source: Evaluation of the possible transmission of BSE and scrapie to gilthead sea bream (Sparus aurata). PLoS One, 4(7):e6175, 2009. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19636413
Source: Bovine spongiform encephalopathy and aquaculture. J Alzheimers Dis, 17(2):277-279, 2009.
Source: Food and Drug Administration, HHS § 589.2001
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19363268

14.) Cholesterol has been shown to feed and promote the growth of cancer.
Source: Cholesterol and breast cancer development. Current Opinion in Pharmacology. 2012 12 (6):677–682.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22867847

15.) Half an egg a day or more is shown to double the odds of mouth, throat, esophageal, prostate, and bladder cancer; triple the odds of colon and breast cancer.
Notes: May be explained by the dixons present. While banned, levels are still present in our food and seem to be worst in animal products.
Source: Egg consumption and the risk of cancer: a multisite case-control study in Uruguay. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20104980

16.) The obesogen (chemicals that signal cells to turn into fat cells) organotin has been found in large amounts in fish.
Source: Environmental obesogens: Organotins and endocrine disruption via nuclear receptor signaling. Endocrinology, 147(6 – Suppl):-50, 2006. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16690801
Source: Dietary intake of organotin compounds in Finland: a market-basket study. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16807202

17.) Meat has little to no antioxidants. Most can’t beat iceberg lettuce.
Notes: One animal source of food did have an extremely high amount of antioxidants: human breast milk.
Source: The total antioxidant content of more than 3100 foods, beverages, spices, herbs and supplements used worldwide. Nutr J. 2010 Jan 22;9:3. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2841576/

18.) High levels of PCB (industrial toxin) in fish oil, fish, and eggs (94% of eggs tested).
Source: European Food Safety Authority; Results of the monitoring of non dioxin-like PCBs in food and feed. EFSA Journal 2010; 8(7):1701. [35 pp.]. doi:10.2903/j.efsa.2010.1701. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.2903/j.efsa.2010.1701/abstract

19.) Harvard studies of 37,698 men and 83,644 women, over 22 and 30 years, respectively, found red meat to increase total mortality rates and cancer mortality rates.
Notes: Results were after controlling for age, weight, alcohol, exercise, smoking, family history, calorie intake, and intake of whole plant foods. Nuts were found to be protective when taken as an alternative protein source.
Source: Red Meat Consumption and Mortality: Results From 2 Prospective Cohort Studies. Arch Intern Med. 2012;0(2012):201122871-9. http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1134845?resultClick=1

20.) Nitrites in processed meat form nitrosamines (carcinogens also found in cigarette smoke) and are associated with the two leading pediatric cancers, brain tumors and childhood leukemia.
Notes: Hot dogs have some of the highest levels. Pregnant women should probably avoid hot dogs.
Source: A meta-analysis of maternal cured meat consumption during pregnancy and the risk of childhood brain tumors. Neuroepidemiology. 2004 Jan-Apr;23(1-2):78-84.
Source: Nitrites, nitrosamines, and cancer. Lancet. 1968 May 18;1(7551):1071-2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14739572

21.) 47% of U.S. retail meat tested is contaminated with staph (Staphylococcus) bacteria. Multidrug resistant strains were common.
Notes: Turkey was the most common with 77% and chicken and pork with 41% and 42%, respectively. A superbug version (methicillin resistant) was also found of MRSA that can jump from pig to human.
Source: Multidrug-Resistant Staphylococcus aureus in US Meat and Poultry. Clin Infect Dis. 2011 May;52(10):1227-30. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3079400/pdf/cir181.pdf
Source: Infectious disease. From pigs to people: the emergence of a new superbug. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20798295

22.) Eating meat just a few times a month greatly increases the chances of abdominal aortic aneurysm.
Notes: Once an abdominal aortic aneurysm begins to tear you have less than a 15% survival rate.
Source: Analysis of risk factors for abdominal aortic aneurysm in a cohort of more than 3 million individuals. J Vasc Surg. 2010 Sep;52(3):539-48. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20630687

23.) Our liver can only detox about 50% of the heterocyclic amines (carcinogens) formed from cooked chicken. Not the originally thought 99% which other animals can.
Notes: The animal that can detox 99% is the lab rat. Thus, the prior incorrect conclusion.
Source: Biomonitoring of urinary metabolites of 2-amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b]pyridine (phip) following human consumption of cooked chicken. Food Chem. Toxicol., 46(9):3200-3205, 2008. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18692111

24.) One of the longest-running studies showed meat consumption to increase allergies. This included asthma, bee stings, drug allergies, and hayfever.
Notes: Meat (including fish) consumed by pregnant women can cause their children to have allergies.
Source: Knutsen SF. Lifestyle and the use of health services. Am J Clin Nutr. 1994 May;59(5 Suppl):1171S-1175S. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/59/5/1171S.long
Source: Maternal meat and fat consumption during pregnancy and suspected atopic eczema in Japanese infants aged 3-4 months: the Osaka Maternal and Child Health Study. Pediatr Allergy Immunol. 2010 Feb;21(1 Pt 1):38-46. Epub 2009 Jun 23. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19552790

25.) Putrescine has been determined to be carcinogenic. Putrescine is found in food even when not spoiled. Highest level in canned tuna.
Source: Toxicological Effects of Dietary Biogenic Amines. Current Nutrition & Food Science, Volume 6, Number 2, May 2010 , pp. 145-156(12) http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ben/cnf/2010/00000006/00000002/art00004
Source: Significance of biogenic amines to food safety and human health. Food Research International, Volume 29, Issue 7, October 1996, Pages 675-690. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096399699600066X

26.) 100% of human Yersinia enterocolitica outbreak over the last decade was caused by pork.
Notes: Y. enterocolitica usually causes bloody diarrhea and can have very harmful long-term effects if left untreated. Half of American pig herds were found to be infected.
Source: Ranking the disease burden of 14 pathogens in food sources in the United States using attribution data from outbreak investigations and expert elicitation. J. Food Prot. 75, 1278 – 1291 (2012). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22980012
Source: Prevalence of pathogenic Yersinia enterocolitica strains in pigs in the United States. Appl. Environ. Microbiol. 71, 7117 – 7121 (2005). https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1287643/

27.) Processed meat is greatly associated with stomach, colon, rectum, pancreatic, lung, prostate, testicular, kidney, and bladder cancer.
Source: Canadian Cancer Registries Epidemiology Research Group. Salt, processed meat and the risk of cancer. Eur J Cancer Prev. 2011 Mar;20(2):132-9. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21160428

28.) Even small amounts of meat consumption less than once a week is linked to degenerative arthritis.
Source: Associations between meat consumption and the prevalence of degenerative arthritis and soft tissue disorders in the Adventist health study, California U.S.A. J Nutr Health Aging, 10(1):7-14, 2006. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16453052

29.) After breast cancer diagnosis, an increase in saturated fat consumption increased mortality from breast cancer by 41%.
Source: Post-diagnosis dietary factors and survival after invasive breast cancer. Breast Cancer Res Treat. 2011 Jul;128(1):229-36. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21197569

30.) Poultry consumption is associated with an increase in lymphoma (blood cancer).
Source: Consumption of meat and dairy and lymphoma risk in the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition. Int J Cancer. 2011 Feb 1;128(3):623-34. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20473877

31.) Chicken handling significantly increased risk of dying from penile (penis) cancer, thought to be due to exposure to cancer-causing viruses in poultry.
Source: Cancer mortality in poultry slaughtering/processing plant workers belonging to a union pension fund. Environ Res. 2010 Aug;110(6):588-94. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20541185

32.) 14% of retail eggs contain viruses of the leukosis/sarcoma group.
Notes: These viruses are one of the most potent cancer-causing viruses in chicken. Virus exposure to humans seems to increase the risk of dying from several different cancers.
Source: Detection of exogenous and endogenous avian leukosis virus in commercial chicken eggs using reverse transcription and polymerase chain reaction assay. Avian Pathology (1999) 28, 385±392 http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/03079459994650
Source: Cancer mortality in poultry slaughtering/processing plant workers belonging to a union pension fund. Environ Res. 2010 Aug;110(6):588-94. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20541185

33.) Besides cancer, poultry workers suffer more from a range of diseases (e.g. thyroid conditions, schizophrenia, autoimmune neurological disorders, peritonitis, and disease of the kidneys).
Source: Mortality in the Baltimore union poultry cohort: non-malignant diseases. Int Arch Occup Environ Health. 2010 Jun;83(5):543-52. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19902237

34.) Cured meat seems to increase the chance of getting a chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).
Notes: COPD is generally defined as lung diseases (e.g. emphysema). As of 2012, COPD is the third most common killer in the United States.
Source: Consumption of cured meats and prospective risk of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease in women. Am J Clin Nutr. 2008 Apr;87(4):1002-8. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/87/4/1002.full.pdf+html

35.) Increased meat consumption increases the risk of developing cataracts.
Source: Diet, vegetarianism, and cataract risk. Am J Clin Nutr. 2011 May;93(5):1128-35. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21430115

36.) Bacteria-eating viruses (bacteriophages) have been approved as meat additives.
Source: Bacteria-eating virus approved as a food additive. FDA Consum. 2007 Jan-Feb; 41(1):20-2. https://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps1609/www.fda.gov/fdac/features/2007/107_virus.html

37.) Meat contaminated with fecal food-poisoning bacteria (e.g. salmonella) can legally be sold.
Source: Public knowledge and beliefs about diarrheal disease. Foodborne Pathog Dis. 2011 Jan; 8(1):165-7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20932083

38.) Meat, fish, cheese, and general animal protein intake have been associated with an increased risk of inflammatory bowel disease (IBD).
Source: Animal protein intake and risk of inflammatory bowel disease: The E3N prospective study. Am J Gastroenterol. 2010 Oct; 105(10):2195-201. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20461067

39.) One of the largest studies ever links meat consumption with increased overall death, death by cancer, and death by cardiovascular disease.
Notes: Study followed 500,000 people over 10 years.
Source: Meat intake and mortality: a prospective study of over half a million people. Arch Intern Med. 2009 March 23; 169(6): 562–571. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2803089/

40.) High intake of meat, dairy, and butter have been shown to promote skin wrinkling.
Notes: For those curious, prunes, apples, and tea (especially green) appeared to be the most protective and reduced wrinkling and scaling the most.
Source: Skin wrinkling: can food make a difference? J Am Coll Nutr. 2001 Feb;20(1):71-80. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11293471

41.) Abdominal fat has been linked to meat, egg, and milk consumption. Poultry seems to be the worst offender.
Source: Will all Americans become overweight or obese? Estimating the progression and cost of the US obesity epidemic. Obesity (Silver Spring), 16(10):2323-2330, 2008. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18719634

42.) Heterocyclic Amines (normally only found in cooked meat) have also been found in cheese and eggs.
Source: Formation and biochemistry of carcinogenic heterocyclic aromatic amines in cooked meats. Toxicol Lett. 2007 Feb 5;168(3):219-27. Epub 2006 Nov 16. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17174486

43.) Kidney failure is linked to meat.
Notes: Meat consumption was shown to cause human proteins to be urinated out (microalbuminuria). Something that should never happen.
Source: Associations of diet with albuminuria and kidney function decline. Clin J Am Soc Nephrol. 2010 May; 5(5):836-43. http://cjasn.asnjournals.org/content/5/5/836.full.pdf

44.) New, lower target cholesterol levels are not obtainable when meat is consumed.
Source: High marks for below-average cholesterol. For the best protection against clogged arteries and heart disease, average cholesterol no longer makes the grade–lower is better. Harv Heart Lett. 2006 Feb;16(6):4-5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19662696

45.) Iron found in meat passes through the digestive system without regulation.
Notes: Iron is a pro-oxidant, which can cause oxidative stress and DNA damage. Too much iron can cause colon cancer, cardiovascular disease, infection, and inflammatory conditions. The body has no means to get rid of excess iron through a regulatory system.
Source: Mechanisms of heme iron absorption: current questions and controversies. World J Gastroenterol. 2008 Jul 14; 14(26):4101-10. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2725368/pdf/WJG-14-4101.pdf

46.) Animal foods (including turkey) shown to decrease tryptophan in the brain.
Notes: Tryptophan rich animal foods like turkey will increase the tryptophan levels in the blood, but this in turns decreases it in the brain. Plant-based foods high in tryptophan, when compared to other amino acids, and carbohydrates (like seeds) work best to elevate mood and tryptophan in the brain.
Source: Protein-source tryptophan as an efficacious treatment for social anxiety disorder: a pilot study. Can J Physiol Pharmacol. 2007 Sep;85(9):928-32. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18066139

47.) Propionate. Meat has no fiber to support healthy bacteria in our guts. That means our bacteria cannot produce propionate which is used to regulate cholesterol and either help us feel satisfied or possibly regulate the generation of new fat cells.
Source: Propionate. Anti-obesity and satiety enhancing factor? Appetite. 2011 Apr;56(2):511-5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21255628

48.) Refined grains, eggs, and poultry are shown to cause prostate enlargement the most.
Source: Food groups and risk of benign prostatic hyperplasia. Urology. 2006 Jan;67(1):73-9. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16413336

49.) Even when meat consumption is reduced to only fish and eggs, insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) remained relatively the same.
Notes: IGF-1 has been shown to promote cancer growth.
Source: The associations of diet with serum insulin-like growth factor I and its main binding proteins in 292 women meat-eaters, vegetarians, and vegans. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 2002 Nov;11(11):1441-8.
http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/content/11/11/1441

50.) Arsenic, lead, mercury, lead, cadmium, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAH), and veterinary drugs have been found contaminating animal products.
Source: Chemical safety of meat and meat products. Meat Sci. 2010 Sep;86(1):38-48. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20510527

51.) Fire retardant chemicals (PBDE) and polychlorinated naphthalenes (PCNs) found heavily in meats.
Notes: For PBDEs, fish was the worst offender, followed by turkey, and the third worst being chicken. PCNs have a dixion-like effect on the body. The animal with the highest levels was fish and the second was chicken.
Source: Polybrominated diphenyl ether (PBDE) levels in an expanded market basket survey of U.S. food and estimated PBDE dietary intake by age and sex. Environ Health Perspect. 2006 Oct;114(10):1515-20. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1626425/pdf/ehp0114-001515.pdf
Source: Polybrominated diphenyl ethers in U.S. Meat and poultry from two statistically designed surveys showing trends and levels from 2002 to 2008. Agric Food Chem. 2011 May 25;59(10):5428-34. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21491934

52.) Consumption of meat, fish, and dairy products associated with mothers passing on DDT (dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane) to their unborn child even decades after the pesticide being banned.
Source: Organochlorine pesticides in umbilical cord blood serum of women from Southern Spain and adherence to the Mediterranean diet. Food Chem Toxicol. 2010 May;48(5):1311-5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20188779

53.) Perfluorochemicals (linked to thyroid disease) exposure comes from meat, fish, and eggs.
Source: Perfluorochemicals in meat, eggs and indoor dust in China: assessment of sources and pathways of human exposure to perfluorochemicals. Environ Sci Technol. 2010 May 1;44(9):3572-9. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20377175

54.) 30 year follow up of multiple sclerosis patients showed 95% of those who stopped consuming saturated fat had no progression of the disease.
Notes: A 50-year follow-up showed that the 95% who started to consume animal fat again instantly had the disease return. The conclusion of the study said MS is mostly likely caused by saturated animal fat.
Source: Effect of low saturated fat diet in early and late cases of multiple sclerosis. Lancet 1990 336(8706):37 – 39. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1973220
Source: Review of MS patient survival on a Swank low saturated fat diet. Nutrition 2003 19(2):161 – 162. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12591551

55.) Increase dairy intake can double your risk of heart attack.
Source: Plasma and erythrocyte biomarkers of dairy fat intake and risk of ischemic heart disease. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 86(4):929, 2007. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17921367

56.) Almost 80% of all antimicrobials (antibiotics) produced are used on and feed to livestock.
Source: 2009 Summary Report on Antimicrobials Sold or Distributed for Use in Food-Producing Animals. U.S. Food and Drug Administration. 2010. https://www.fda.gov/downloads/ForIndustry/UserFees/AnimalDrugUserFeeActADUFA/UCM231851.pdf

57.) Elderly people given milk as children have triple the risk of colorectal cancer.
Source: Childhood dairy intake and adult cancer risk: 65-y follow-up of the boyd orr cohort. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 86(6):1722, 2007. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18065592

58.) All types of meat (no matter how it is cooked) increases cancer of the uterus.
Notes: Poultry and fish increased the risk the most.
Source: Animal food intake and cooking methods in relation to endometrial cancer risk in shanghai. Br. J. Cancer, 95(11):15861592, 2006. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17060930

59.) Only purines (meats) and fructose increase uric acid levels in our bodies.
Notes: Uric acid increases gout, high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, kidney disease, and cardiovascular disease.
Source: The role of uric acid as an endogenous danger signal in immunity and inflammation. Curr Rheumatol Rep. 2011 Apr;13(2):160-6. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3093438/pdf/nihms279732.pdf

60.) PhIP (a type of heterocyclic amines carcinogen in cooked meats) not only damages DNA but also activates estrogen receptors (almost as strong as the hormone estrogen itself) on breast cancer cells and promotes its growth.
Notes: PhIP has been found in mother’s breast milk. Meaning PhIP from cooked meat does make its way to the breast tissues.
Source: The cooked food derived carcinogen 2-amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b] pyridine is a potent oestrogen: A mechanistic basis for its tissue-specific carcinogenicity. Carcinogenesis 2004 25(12):2509 – 2517 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15319301

61.) PhIP stimulates breast cancer cells to invade healthy cells more so than the hormone estrogen itself. Even when PhIP is at low concentrations.
Notes: PhIP is most common in chicken, beef, and fish.
Source: The cooked meat-derived mammary carcinogen 2-amino-1-methyl-6-phenylimidazo[4,5-b]pyridine promotes invasive behaviour of breast cancer cells. Toxicology 2011 279(1 – 3):139 – 145 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20951759

62.) Meat fumes from cooked meat may be hazardous for fetal development and increase the risk of cancer.
Notes: Simply being around the vapors (polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons or PAHs for short) was associated with a birth weight decrease and head shrinkage.
Source: Impact of barbecued meat consumed in pregnancy on birth outcomes accounting for personal prenatal exposure to airborne polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons: Birth cohort study in Poland. Nutrition. 2012 Apr;28(4):372-7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22079395

63.) A diet high in protein, particularly animal protein, has been associated with relapse of inflammatory bowel disease and a higher risk of inflammatory bowel disease.
Source: Diet and risk of inflammatory bowel disease. Dig Liver Dis 2012 44(3):185 – 194 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22055893

64.) Microparticles (like titanium dioxide and aluminum silicate), a common additive in pastries and processed food, consumed with endotoxins cause an inflammatory response in the gut wall 6x greater compared to endotoxins alone.
Notes: Most people are digesting a trillion particles of titanium dioxide a day. Researchers found these microparticles in all 18 diseased colons (colon cancer or inflammatory bowel) used for a study. No microparticles were found in the healthy colons studied. Titanium dioxide is used to make things white. Thus white powdered donuts tend to have the most titanium dioxide out of all foods.
Source: Immune potentiation of ultrafine dietary particles in normal subjects and patients with inflammatory bowel disease. J. Autoimmun. 2000 14(1):99 – 105 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10648120

65.) Meat consumption linked to premature puberty in boys and girls.
Notes: Premature puberty has been linked to increased risk of developing breast cancer in girls and abdominal fat and heart disease in boys.
Source: Internal exposure to pollutants and sexual maturation in Flemish adolescents. J Expo Sci Environ Epidemiol 2011 21(3):224 – 233 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20197795

66.) After consuming animal products human adiponectin levels drop. Hormone adiponectin appears to be protective against cellulite.
Source: Adiponectin expression in subcutaneous adipose tissue is reduced in women with cellulite. Int. J. Dermatol. 2011 50(4):412 – 416 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21413950
Source: Meal modulation of circulating interleukin 18 and adiponectin concentrations in healthy subjects and in patients with type 2 diabetes mellitus. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2003 78(6):1135 – 1140 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14668275

67.) Animal consumption linked to breast pain.
Notes: Prolactin has been shown to cause breast pain. When vegans and vegetarians in South Africa (who have lower levels of prolactin and breast pain compared to women in western civilization) were fed meat, their prolactin levels went up to match western women. Two separate studies showed a significant reduction in cyclical breast pain when meat was removed from the diet.
Source: Diet, lifestyle, and menstrual activity. Am J Clin Nutr. 1980 Jun;33(6):1192-8. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/33/6/1192.long
Source: Diet and prolactin release. Lancet. 1976 Oct 9;2(7989):806-7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/61480
Source: Serum prolactin and oestradiol levels in women with cyclical mastalgia. Horm Metab Res. 1981 Dec;13(12):700-2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7319468

68.) Amino acid L-carnitine (found heavily in red meat and popular energy drinks) has been found to cause heart disease.
Notes: While our bodies produce L-carnitine, the problem comes when our gut bacteria comes in contact with it and produces a toxic substance called trimethylamine oxide (TMAO). This substance has been found circulating in our blood after L-carnitine consumption. TMAO also appears to be linked to cancer.
Source: Intestinal microbiota metabolism of l-carnitine, a nutrient in red meat, promotes atherosclerosis. Nat Med. 2013 Apr 7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23563705

69.) Chickens consumption and handling linked to bladder infections.
Notes: When handling frozen chicken the UTI bacteria causing strains end up in that person’s rectum. Even when the chicken is well cooked before consumption. This is because the jump happens before it is cooked. The strains are usually antibacterial resistant.
Source: Chicken as reservoir for extraintestinal pathogenic Escherichia coli in humans, Canada. Emerging Infect. Dis. 2012 18(3):415 – 421 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22377351

70.) Thorough cleaning with bleach right after every use has been found to be the only method to significantly reduce chicken pathogens in kitchens. However, pathogens were still detectable on some kitchen items.
Notes: All items used were washed in beach and surfaces were sprayed and wiped. Washcloth was soaked in bleach. Bleach was allowed to sit on surfaces for 5 minutes before test results were taken. Pathogens were still found on utensils, counters, and washcloth.
Source: The effectiveness of hygiene procedures for prevention of cross-contamination from chicken carcases in the domestic kitchen. Lett. Appl. Microbiol. 1999 29(5):354 – 358 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10664978

71.) A 5% increase of calories from saturated fat (at the expense of calories from carbohydrates) can result in a 38% lower sperm count.
Source: Dietary fat and semen quality among men attending a fertility clinic. Hum. Reprod. 2012 27(5):1466 – 1474 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22416013

72.) Xenoestrogens (human-made chemicals with estrogenic effects) have been found the most in fish.
Source: Role of environmental estrogens in the deterioration of male factor fertility. Fertil Steril. 2002 Dec;78(6):1187-94. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12477510

73.) Fish eaters have been shown to have only a fraction of the sperm count of vegans.
Source: Role of environmental estrogens in the deterioration of male factor fertility. Fertil Steril. 2002 Dec;78(6):1187-94. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12477510

74.) The American Heart Association took legal action through the FDA (which was upheld by the Supreme Court) to have the egg industry cease and desist promoting eggs as having no harmful effects on your health.
Notes: Not a scientific fact, but interesting nonetheless. The notable statement by the egg industry was an advertising campaign that stated there is no scientific evidence that eggs cause heart disease. After the courts reviewed the evidence, they found the statement to be clearly false and misleading.
Source: Dietary cholesterol, serum cholesterol, and risks of cardiovascular and noncardiovascular diseases. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 1998 67(3):488 – 492 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9497196

75.) One egg contains almost 2/3 of the cholesterol limit suggested by the American Heart Association for healthy people.
Source: https://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/Cond...ions-about-Cholesterol_UCM_305638_Article.jsp

76.) Meat handlers have a much high mortality rate of cancer.
Notes: Most of the highest rates were found with the workers handling the final product.
Source: Cancer mortality in workers employed in cattle, pigs, and sheep slaughtering and processing plants. Environ Int 2011 37(5):950 – 959. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21497401

77.) Growing up on an animal farm increases the chance of blood cancers (poultry farms were the worst).
Notes: Growing up on farms only growing crops showed no increased chance of blood cancers.
Source: Farming, growing up on a farm, and haematological cancer mortality. Occup Environ Med 2012 69(2):126 – 132. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21795741

78.) Eating meat may cause cellular cannibalism (auto-immune polyradiculoneuropathy) and thus explaining autoimmune attack (rheumatoid arthritis).
Notes: By consuming organisms in our own kingdom, our immune system may be identifying our own flesh as foreign objects. Auto-immune polyradiculoneuropathy has never been found to be caused by plant consumption.
Source: Meat-induced joint attacks, or meat attacks the joint: rheumatism versus allergy. Nutr Clin Pract. 2010 Feb;25(1):90-1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20130162 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20130162
Source: Auto-immune polyradiculoneuropathy and a novel IgG biomarker in workers exposed to aerosolized porcine brain. J. Peripher. Nerv. Syst. 2011 16 (Suppl 1):34 – 37 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21696495

79.) Methionine (an amino acid) is required for many cancers and tumors to stay alive and grow. Methionine is found virtually only in animal products (with eggs, fish, and chicken being the worst).
Source: The effect of replacement of methionine by homocystine on survival of malignant and normal adult mammalian cells in culture. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 1974 71(4):1133 – 1136. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4524624

80.) Meat is acidic which causes a higher risk of kidney stones and lower urine acid clearance.
Source: Diet-induced metabolic acidosis. Clin Nutr 2011 30(4):416 – 421. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21481501

81.) Choline, a substance very high in eggs, can cause trimethylamine (the smell of rotten fish) to your breath, urine, sweat, and vagina.
Source: Smelling like dead fish: A case of trimethylaminuria in an adolescent. Clin Pediatr (Phila) 2006 45(9):864 – 866. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17041178

82.) Choline is converted to TMAO which, as already stated, is linked to heart disease and cancer.
Source: Intestinal microbiota metabolism of l-carnitine, a nutrient in red meat, promotes atherosclerosis. Nat Med. 2013 Apr 7. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23563705

83.) Choline is associated with prostate cancer progression and death.
Source: Choline intake and risk of lethal prostate cancer: Incidence and survival. Am. J. Clin. Nutr. 2012 96(4):855 – 863. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22952174

84.) Pork tapeworm brain infection is the most common parasitic disease in the brain for people and is on the rise for humans in the United States.
Notes: Referred to as neurocysticercosis in the study.
Source:Clinical manifestations, diagnosis, and treatment of neurocysticercosis. Curr Neurol Neurosci Rep 2011 11(6):529 – 535. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21915772

85.) Meat eaters have a lower resting metabolism compared to vegans and vegetarians.
Source: Sympathetic nervous system activity and resting metabolic rate in vegetarians. Metab. Clin. Exp. 1994 43(5):621 – 625. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8177051

86.) Phosphorus preservatives are being injected into meat. These phosphorus preservatives may damage blood vessels, accelerate the aging process, and contribute to osteoporosis.
Notes: Higher phosphate levels are associated with significantly lower life span.
Source: Phosphate additives in food–a health risk. Dtsch Arztebl Int. 2012 109(4):49 – 55. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22334826
Source: The prevalence of phosphorus-containing food additives in top-selling foods in grocery stores. J Ren Nutr. 2013 23(4):265-270. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23402914

87.) Phosphorus preservatives injected into poultry dramatically increase the growth of food poisoning Campylobacter bacteria.
Notes: Campylobacter is recognized as the main cause of bacterial foodborne disease in many developed countries.
Source:Effects of polyphosphate additives on Campylobacter survival in processed chicken exudates. Appl. Environ. Microbiol. 2010 76(8):2419 – 2424 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20173061

88.) Chicken nuggets from 2 national food chains found actual chicken meat was not the predominant ingredient as fat was found in greater quantities along with epithelium, bone, nerve (brain and spine), and connective tissue.
Source: The autopsy of chicken nuggets reads chicken little. Am J Med. 2013 126(11):1018-1019. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24035124

89.) Even when looking at endurance athletes, meat eaters’ arteries are thicker (from atherosclerosis plaque) than your average vegan.
Source:Homocysteine, circulating vascular cell adhesion molecule and carotid atherosclerosis in postmenopausal vegetarian women and omnivores. Atherosclerosis 2006 184(2):356 – 362. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16005009
Source:Long-term low-calorie low-protein vegan diet and endurance exercise are associated with low cardiometabolic risk. Rejuvenation Res. 2007 10(2):225 – 234. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17518696

90.) Mercury and PCB exposure, due to fish consumption, shown to harm fetus brain development.
Source:Functional MRI approach to developmental methylmercury and polychlorinated biphenyl neurotoxicity. Neurotoxicology 2011 32(6):975 – 980. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21545807

91.) Mercury in fish shown to outweigh benefits of omega-3s when it comes to brain development (specifically IQ).
Source: Fish consumption during child bearing age: a quantitative risk-benefit analysis on neurodevelopment. Food Chem Toxicol. 2013 54:30-34. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22079313

92.) Due to mercury “sticking” to our bodies, most women planning on getting pregnant need to avoid mercury-containing foods 1 year before.
Notes: Half-life of mercury is about 2 months. That means after 2 months the mercury amount present is cut in half.
Source:Fish consumption during child bearing age: A quantitative risk-benefit analysis on neurodevelopment. Food Chem. Toxicol. 2013 54(NA):30 – 34. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22079313

93.) Pregnant women eating fish once a week give their infants more mercury than if they were injected with six mercury containing vaccines.
Source: Speciation of methyl- and ethyl-mercury in hair of breastfed infants acutely exposed to thimerosal-containing vaccines. Clin. Chim. Acta. 2011 412(17 – 18):1563 – 1566. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21575620

94.) Some chemicals (dioxins, PCB, and DDE) found in fish have half lives as high as 10 years.
Notes: A 10 year half life means after 10 years only half of those chemicals are gone from your body. So it would take a lifetime to get even close to 1 percent of your present levels.
Source: Elimination half-lives of polychlorinated biphenyl congeners in children. Environ. Sci. Technol. 2008 42(18):6991 – 6996. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2600453/

95.) Gestational diabetes (diabetes during pregnancy which causes abnormal fetal growth, birth defects, and infant mortality) risk is increased when meat is consumed before pregnancy.
Notes: Bacon, processed meats, and eggs seem to do the worst damage.
Source: A prospective study of dietary patterns, meat intake and the risk of gestational diabetes mellitus. Diabetologia. 2006 49(11):2604 – 2613. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16957814
Source:Risk of gestational diabetes mellitus in relation to maternal egg and cholesterol intake. Am. J. Epidemiol. 2011 173(6):649 – 658. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21324948

96.) Cow’s milk contains estrogen and other hormones (naturally) which promote the conversion of precancerous cell to invasive cancer and enhance the progression of cancer cells.
Notes: Organic milk was used in the study.
Source: Milk stimulates growth of prostate cancer cells in culture. Nutr Cancer. 2011 63(8):1361 – 1366. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817

97.) Just how smoking is a risk factor for lung cancer, milk consumption is a risk factor for prostate cancer
Notes: This is from a meta-analysis (a summation of all studies to date found on milk consumption and prostate cancer) on case-control studies (looking at what people with and without prostate cancer had consumed in their past) and another meta-analysis on cohort type studies (following people throughout the years, what they consumed, and who got prostate cancer).
Source: Milk consumption is a risk factor for prostate cancer: Meta-analysis of case-control studies. Nutr Cancer. 2004 48(1):22 – 27. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15203374
Source: Milk consumption is a risk factor for prostate cancer in Western countries: Evidence from cohort studies. Asia Pac J Clin Nutr. 2007 16(3):467 – 476. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17704029

98.) “Meat glue” enzyme, transglutaminase, has potential food safety and allergy implications.
Notes: The enzyme functions as an auto-antigen and will give problems to those who are gluten intolerant. Bacteria from other parts of the animal (like E. coli O157:H7) can be found along the glue line.
Source: Transglutaminase, gluten and celiac disease: Food for thought. Nat. Med. 1997 3(7):725 – 726. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9212095
Source: Escherichia coli O157: H7 risk assessment for production and cooking of restructured beef steaks. Report of progress (Kansas State University. Agricultural Experiment Station and Cooperative Extension Service); 873 2010. https://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/handle/2097/4505

99.) Study found 70% of purchased chicken breasts for the study contained cancer-causing form of arsenic beyond the safety thresholds of the FDA.
Source: Roxarsone, inorganic arsenic, and other arsenic species in chicken: A U.S.-Based market basket sample. Environ Health Perspect. 2013 121(7):818 – 824. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23694900

100.) Amino acid leucine has the greatest effect on increasing mTORC1 (believed to accelerate the aging process). Meat products have the most leucine.
Notes: Calorie restriction is known to downregulate mTORC1. However, protein restriction, especially the amino acid leucine, has been found to be just as effective.
Source: Amino acid sensing and regulation of mTORC1. Semin Cell Dev Biol. 2012 23(6):621 – 625. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22342805
Source:Nutrient control of TORC1, a cell-cycle regulator. Trends Cell Biol. 2009 19(6):260 – 267.
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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-eczema-drug-dupixent-wins-fda-approval-n739611

FDA approved medication dupixent for severe eczema. Promising but expensive.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/new-eczema-drug-dupixent-wins-fda-approval-n739611

FDA approved medication dupixent for severe eczema. Promising but expensive.

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The best solution is usually the cheapest. Go vegan.

 

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Meat is mainly macros, and has little to no micro-nutrients and 0 fiber. You argue that omnivores(meat + plants) are healthy, and that eliminating entire food groups is not? You can get all the same macros in animals from plants, thereby your argument is invalid.

Lol, that's like saying, you can get carbs from sugar, protein from egg whites, and fats from cooking oil, so you can get all your macros from these 3 foods and not eat anything else. False conclusion. Experts agree, eat a wide variety of foods, don't eliminate entire food groups for a long period of time unless you're allergic to them. There's no benefit in doing so. Stop being a denier.

You are right, doctors can be wrong. But the doctors I mentioned are not your generic ones, they are the "top dogs" in the medical field. Why don't you google their names and find out who they are?

Yet here you are again totally ignoring the overwhelming research that points to the negative health implications of meat. If you have a basic understanding of biochemistry and nutrition, you would know that your body leaches calcium from your bones to neutralize the acidity of animal proteins, especially from dairy products, leading to osteoporosis.

Strawman argument. You're assuming that I'm advocating a carnivorous, meat only diet. Unlike you, I do not advocate eliminating an entire food group(vegetables). There is no evidence that meat consumption as part of a balanced diet leads to excessive calcium loss.

What you're saying amounts to saying that drinking only water will cause death, so we should eliminate water from our diet. It's a false conclusion.

Not to mention the high consumption of meat/poultry raises estrogen and lowers testosterone in humans.

Animal proteins are high in the amino acid methionine which directly feeds cancer cells. Animal proteins also raises IGF-1 levels which promotes the growth of cancer cells, while plant proteins do not.

Another strawman argument. You're ignoring the dose dependent effects of food, and again assuming that I'm advocating eating a ton of meat. Again, I'm doing no such thing. Again, there is no evidence that eating moderate amounts of meat as part of a balanced diet mess with your hormonal profile or causes cancer.

What you're saying amounts to saying that drinking too much water will cause death, so we should eliminate water from our diet. Another false conclusion.

I do not need to link the overwhelming evidence on things that is proven and anyone can find online if you're genuinely interested to find out. But it seems like you dgaf.
imho, you sound like you work for the meat/dairy industry lol.

If you even bother to read the links, tons of research is referenced at the bottom of the articles.

Here are just at least 100:

Three studies cannot prove that veganism is superior to a balanced diet comprising of meat, because the studies are not setup to prove it. They either isolate effects of specific nutrients (ignoring the dose dependent effects of food, as well as interactions with other food groups), or are observational studies that cannot establish causality. If the "top dog" doctors you mention make conclusions from these studies, then I question their neutrality.

It is interesting that you can conclude that I work for the meat industry (I'm not, I'm a security researcher, hence the affinity for research, but I do love a good steak). Let's be clear here, I do not advocate a meat only diet. I advocate eating all kinds of food, including meat and plants. You, on the other hand, are advocating a plant only diet. Who exactly looks like they're working for a specific food industry now?

I would also request that you keep it civil in forum discussions. Expletives are entirely unnecessary and do not advance your cause.

 

[Dreamerific]

Lol, that's like saying, you can get carbs from sugar, protein from egg whites, and fats from cooking oil, so you can get all your macros from these 3 foods and not eat anything else. False conclusion. Experts agree, eat a wide variety of foods, don't eliminate entire food groups for a long period of time unless you're allergic to them. There's no benefit in doing so. Stop being a denier.




Strawman argument. You're assuming that I'm advocating a carnivorous, meat only diet. Unlike you, I do not advocate eliminating an entire food group(vegetables). There is no evidence that meat consumption as part of a balanced diet leads to excessive calcium loss.

What you're saying amounts to saying that drinking only water will cause death, so we should eliminate water from our diet. It's a false conclusion.


Another strawman argument. You're ignoring the dose dependent effects of food, and again assuming that I'm advocating eating a ton of meat. Again, I'm doing no such thing. Again, there is no evidence that eating moderate amounts of meat as part of a balanced diet mess with your hormonal profile or causes cancer.

What you're saying amounts to saying that drinking too much water will cause death, so we should eliminate water from our diet. Another false conclusion.



Three studies cannot prove that veganism is superior to a balanced diet comprising of meat, because the studies are not setup to prove it. They either isolate effects of specific nutrients (ignoring the dose dependent effects of food, as well as interactions with other food groups), or are observational studies that cannot establish causality. If the "top dog" doctors you mention make conclusions from these studies, then I question their neutrality.

It is interesting that you can conclude that I work for the meat industry (I'm not, I'm a security researcher, hence the affinity for research, but I do love a good steak). Let's be clear here, I do not advocate a meat only diet. I advocate eating all kinds of food, including meat and plants. You, on the other hand, are advocating a plant only diet. Who exactly looks like they're working for a specific food industry now?

I would also request that you keep it civil in forum discussions. Expletives are entirely unnecessary and do not advance your cause.

Now you're just plain lying. In the first paragraph in my previous reply to you, I mentioned "You argue that omnivores(meat + plants) are healthy".

Again you simply dismiss overwhelming data available online and ignore all the other health implications consuming meat, simply because you "love a good steak". Some of those studies mentioned above compares specifically omnivorous diets with vegetarian diet.

The "top dog" doctors do not use those studies at all, you're just assuming without any bother to fact check at an attempt to discredit them in front of this audience. I'll provide the studies done by Dr Neal Barnard below.

They did their own real world studies available from their websites which I provided previously, as well as many other studies which are below their articles if you're a slightest bit eager to learn. But you're too closed minded to do so.

Security researcher? You have no understanding of foundation nutrition, biochemistry, human physiology. Nutrition is not even your field of expertise.

I shall better spend my time discussing with people with reason and logic, haha.

Peace.

(Also, not just my anecdotal claim, tons of people suffering with eczema on youtube improved/fully recovered from a vegan diet.)

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Kim Allan Williams Sr. is an American cardiologist. He is a Fellow of the American College of Cardiology and served as its president 2015–2016.

Neal Barnard, M.D., F.A.C.C., is an adjunct associate professor of medicine at the George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Sciences in Washington, D.C., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, and founder of Barnard Medical Center.

Dr. Barnard is a fellow of the American College of Cardiology, the 2016 recipient of the American College of Lifestyle Medicine’s Trailblazer Award, and has led numerous research studies investigating the effects of diet on diabetes, body weight, and chronic pain, including a groundbreaking study of dietary interventions in type 2 diabetes, funded by the National Institutes of Health. Dr. Barnard has authored more than 70 scientific publications as well as 18 books, including the New York Times best-sellers Power Foods for the Brain, 21-Day Weight Loss Kickstart, and the USA Today best-seller Dr. Barnard’s Program for Reversing Diabetes.

As president of the Physicians Committee, Dr. Barnard leads programs advocating for preventive medicine, good nutrition, and higher ethical standards in research. He hosts four PBS television programs on nutrition and health and is frequently called on by news programs to discuss issues related to nutrition and research.

Originally from Fargo, N.D., Dr. Barnard received his medical degree at the George Washington University School of Medicine and completed his residency at the same institution. He practiced at St. Vincent’s Hospital in New York before returning to Washington to found the Physicians Committee.

This is a partial listing of scientific publications by Neal Barnard, M.D., F.A.C.C. For a more complete listing, visit MEDLINE/Pub Med through the National Library of Medicine at www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi.

Bunner AE, Wells CL, Gonzales J, Agarwal U, Bayat E, Barnard ND. A dietary intervention for chronic diabetic neuropathy pain: a randomized controlled pilot study. Nutrition & Diabetes. 2015;5. Published online May 25, 2015.

Agarwal U, Mishra S, Xu J, Levin S, Gonzales J, Barnard ND. A multicenter randomized controlled trial of a nutrition intervention program in a multiethnic adult population in the corporate setting reduces anxiety and improves quality of life: The GEICO Study. Am J Health Promot. 2015; 4:245-254.

Barnard ND, Levin SM, Yokoyama Y. A systematic review and meta-analysis of changes in body weight in clinical trials of vegetarian diets. J Acad Nutr Diet. Published online on January 21, 2015.

Yokoyama Y, Barnard ND, Levin SM, Watanabe M. Vegetarian diets and glycemic control in diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Cardiovascular Diagnosis and Therapy 2014;4(5):373-382.

Bunner A, Agarwal U, Gonzales JF, Valente F, Barnard ND. Nutrition intervention for migraine: a randomized crossover trial. J of Headache and Pain. 2014;15:69. doi:10.1186/1129-2377-15-69.

Gonzales JF, Barnard ND, Jenkins DJ, et al. Applying the precautionary principle to nutrition and cancer. J Am Coll Nutr. Published ahead of print May 28, 2014.

Barnard ND, Bunner AE, Agarwal U. Saturated and trans fats and dementia: a systematic review. Neurobiol Aging. Published ahead of print May 19, 2014.

Barnard ND, Bush AI, Ceccarelli A, et al., Dietary and lifestyle guidelines for the prevention of Alzheimer’s disease. Neurobiol Aging. Published ahead of print May 16, 2014.

Yokoyama Y, Nishimura K, Barnard ND, et al. Vegetarian diets and blood pressure: a meta-analysis. JAMA Intern Med. Published online February 24, 2014. doi:10.1001/jamainternmed.2013.14547.

Barnard N, Levin S, Trapp C. Meat consumption as a risk factor for type 2 diabetes. Nutrients. 2014;6:897-910.

Barnard ND. The Physician’s Role in Nutrition-Related Disorders: From Bystander to Leader. Virtual Mentor. 2013; 15:367-372. http://virtualmentor.ama-assn.org/2013/04/oped1-1304.html. Accessed April 2, 2013.

Levin SM, Ferdowsian HR, Hoover VJ, Green AA, Barnard ND. A worksite programme significantly alters nutrient intakes. Public Health Nutr. 2010 Jan 15:1-7. [Epub ahead of print]

Ferdowsian HR, Barnard ND. The effects of plant-based diets on plasma lipids. Am J Cardiol. 2009;104:947-956.

Barnett TD, Barnard ND, Radak TL. Development of symptomatic cardiovascular disease after self-reported adherence to the Atkins Diet. J Am Diet Assoc. 2009;109:1263-1265.
Barnard ND, Cohen J, Jenkins DJ, Turner-McGrievy G, Gloede L, Green A, Ferdowsian H. A low-fat vegan diet and a conventional diabetes diet in the treatment of type 2 diabetes: a randomized, controlled, 74-week clinical trial. Am J Clin Nutr. 2009;89(suppl):1588S-96S.

Barnard ND, Katcher HI, Jenkins DJA, Cohen J, Turner-McGrievy G. Vegetarian and vegan diets in type 2 diabetes management. Nutr Rev. 2009;67:255-263.

Spencer EH, Ferdowsian HR, Barnard, ND. Diet and acne: a review of the evidence. Int J Dermatol. 2009;48:339-347.

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It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes. A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat (including fowl) or seafood, or products containing those foods.

 

[twinkle07]

hello guys

just to share what i found. i found out my eczema due to food i ate...

i cannot take gluten(wheat) or dairy. It will cause flare ups. Once i avoid, it doesn't itch so i don't scratch. But once i do, feel itchy immediately. I think it helps if u have eczema problem and u keep a food journal.

Also eczema ish autoimmune problem. Basically what happen ish ur gut having problems. When u have allergies with certain food, it causes inflammation. To signal the inflammation, it actually goes to your skin. The food allergies ish due to leaky gut as ur gut walls are damaged.

If u have those gut related problems like IBS or candida or bloating after meals, very likely also linked to eczema cos they are all linked. So until u cure your gut, your eczema ish staying.

It has nothing to do with whether a meat diet or vegetable diet helps to heal eczema. Ish more of sifting out what you are allergic to and then rebuilding ur gut wall...

 

[galapogos]

Now you're just plain lying. In the first paragraph in my previous reply to you, I mentioned "You argue that omnivores(meat + plants) are healthy".

I'm glad you acknowledge that. Yet, the majority of the studies you presented do not show this comparison. How do you reconcile that?

Again you simply dismiss overwhelming data available online and ignore all the other health implications consuming meat, simply because you "love a good steak". Some of those studies mentioned above compares specifically omnivorous diets with vegetarian diet.

I'm aware of most arguments and studies vilifying meat consumption. They have a few things in common:
1. Overconsumption of meat - not what I'm advocating
2. Consumption of meat as part of an unhealthy diet - not what I'm advocating
3. Consumption of inferior kinds of meat such as processed meats - not what I'm advocating
Throwing these studies at me, is, again, straw man arguments, that you keep doing over and over again.

The "top dog" doctors do not use those studies at all, you're just assuming without any bother to fact check at an attempt to discredit them in front of this audience. I'll provide the studies done by Dr Neal Barnard below.

They did their own real world studies available from their websites which I provided previously, as well as many other studies which are below their articles if you're a slightest bit eager to learn. But you're too closed minded to do so.

Security researcher? You have no understanding of foundation nutrition, biochemistry, human physiology. Nutrition is not even your field of expertise.

No it's not, though I've been reading up on training and nutrition, and applying it, for over a decade now. Which institute are you a nutritionist at then?

My experience in research in a different field also allows me to understand structure in research and evaluate their quality better than someone without formal higher education. What institute do you perform research at then?

I shall better spend my time discussing with people with reason and logic, haha.

Peace.

Notice a trend here in that I take the time to dissect your entire post and reply and rebut individually to points you made, because I can and because that's how responsible discussions are performed. You, otoh, quote my entire post then reply to whatever you please, with logical fallacies, because you can't rebut my points. It's pretty much kellyanne conway's playbook. Who's the one without logic here again?