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try with maison bordier seaweed butter :love:
Weirdough this bakery have some wicked seaweed butter as wellπŸ‘πŸΎ
I have some garlic butter as well from a butchery as well πŸ˜‹
Sourdough toasted with these addon πŸ‘πŸΎπŸ‘πŸΎπŸ‘πŸΎ
But if i were to make it a set
3 slice Sourdough toast with addon
3 to 4 eggs yakun style of scrumble
Salads
Some meat
And a nice cold brew or ice drip coffee
After a workout hurhur πŸ‘ŒπŸ½πŸ‘ŒπŸ½πŸ‘ŒπŸ½

Noted on your recommendation, i shall purchase and give it a tryπŸ‘πŸΎ
 

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Seriously .. unless you got time money and resources... Very hard to eat clean healthy economically in sg breakfast.
Ideally, some sourdough with good quality cheese and cured salmon, good nuts and legumes and hard-boil eggs.
Else stick to economy beehoon or kaya guyou toast

Eat overnight soaked oats. Can add nuts, seeds, fruits, honey, protein powder creatine, etc.
 

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The more i meditate the more upset and dulan i feel bro..
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衰火ε…₯ι­” is it? First time i hear meditate until pekcek. Lol
 

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You claim there is an optimal diet? what is it man?
I'm glad you asked. Let's try to pick bones with it.

This is a fundamental question that, when stripped of modern influences and low-quality evidence, can be addressed through the lenses of biochemistry, human physiology, and evolutionary biology.

Here is a synthesis of the optimal human diet from these perspectives.

1. The Nutrient Perspective: The "Inputs"

The optimal diet must provide all essential nutrients in their most bioavailable forms, meaning the body can easily absorb and use them.

Β· Complete Protein: Animal muscle meat, organ meats, eggs, and fish provide all nine essential amino acids in the correct ratios for human tissue building and repair. Plant proteins are incomplete and less bioavailable.

Β· Bioavailable Fats: Animal fats and seafood provide essential fatty acids (DHA, EPA, ARA) in their pre-formed, active states. They are crucial for the brain, nervous system, and cell membranes. The conversion of plant-based ALA (e.g., from flax) to DHA/EPA is inefficient in humans.

Β· Bioavailable Micronutrients:
Β· Heme Iron (from meat) is far more absorbable than non-heme iron (from plants).

Β· Vitamin A (Retinol) from liver, eggs, and dairy is immediately usable, while conversion of Beta-Carotene (from plants) to Retinol is inefficient and genetically variable.

Β· Vitamin B12 is exclusively found in animal foods.

Β· Vitamin K2 (crucial for directing calcium to bones and teeth) is found in animal fats, organ meats, and fermented foods, not in plants (which provide K1).

Β· Minerals like Zinc and Calcium from animal sources are significantly more bioavailable than from plant sources, which contain mineral-binding phytates.

Conclusion from this perspective: A diet centered on animal-sourced foods provides a complete, dense, and highly bioavailable nutrient profile.

2. The Metabolic Perspective: The "Engine"

This concerns how the body derives and utilizes energy.

Β· Stable Energy and Hormonal Regulation: The primary human hormones for fuel storage and use are insulin and glucagon. A diet low in refined carbohydrates and sugars minimizes large insulin spikes, promoting metabolic stability. Fat and protein provide a slow, steady release of energy.

Β· Mitochondrial Efficiency: Our cellular powerhouses can run on both glucose (from carbohydrates) and ketones (from fats). A diet that includes periods of lower carbohydrate intake encourages metabolic flexibilityβ€”the ability to efficiently burn fat for fuel. This is a stable and clean-burning energy state.

Β· Satiety Signaling: Protein and fat are powerfully satiating. They trigger the release of hormones like Cholecystokinin (CCK) and Peptide YY (PYY), which signal fullness and reduce hunger, making energy intake self-regulating.

Conclusion from this perspective: A diet that minimizes blood glucose and insulin volatility by deriving a significant portion of its energy from fat and protein is metabolically stable and promotes satiety.

3. The Biological Perspective: The "Machinery"

This examines human digestive anatomy and physiology.

Β· Dentition: Human teeth are not specialized for grinding tough plant matter like those of herbivores (e.g., flat molars of cows). Our canines and incisors are suited for tearing animal flesh and fruit.

Β· Gut Morphology: Humans have a simple, acidic stomach and a relatively long small intestine, which is the primary site for nutrient absorption. This is characteristic of an omnivore with a carnivorous leaning. We lack the specialized fermenting chambers (like a rumen or enlarged cecum) of herbivores needed to break down cellulose.

Β· Digestive Enzymes: We produce proteases and lipases for breaking down protein and fat, and amylase for carbohydrates. However, we lack the enzyme systems to break down fibrous plant matter (cellulose, hemicellulose).

Conclusion from this perspective: Human biology is that of a facultative carnivore or omnivorous generalist, with clear adaptations for eating and digesting animal foods more efficiently than tough, fibrous plants.

4. The Evolutionary Perspective: The "Blueprint"

This looks at the dietary pressures that shaped our species.

Β· Encephalization: The most dramatic event in human evolution was the tripling of our brain size. This required a dense, reliable source of energy and specific building blocks. The brain is ~60% fat and requires large amounts of DHA, EPA, and cholesterol. The "shore-based diet" or "aquatic ape" hypotheses, while debated, point to the consumption of fish and shellfish as a critical source of these brain-specific nutrients, which are scarce in terrestrial diets.

Β· Persistence Hunting & Scavenging: Evidence suggests early humans accessed calorie-dense fatty meat and marrow by scavenging carcasses or running down prey. This provided a high-energy return for effort, unlike gathering low-calorie fibrous plants.

Β· Tool Use & Fire: The development of tools for hunting and butchering, and the control of fire for cooking, made animal foods even more central. Cooking denatures protein and breaks down connective tissue, making meat far easier to chew and digest, and increasing its net energy yield.

Conclusion from this perspective: The shift to a nutrient-dense, animal-based diet was not just a side note but the central driver that enabled the evolution of the large human brain and our unique cognitive abilities.

Synthesis: The Optimal Human Diet

Based on these four pillars, the optimal human diet is:

An Animal-Based Diet.

This is not a modern "carnivore diet" fad, but a template derived from first principles. Its core components are:

1. Animal Foods as the Foundation: Meat (especially red meat for its nutrient density), organ meats (the most potent source of vitamins), fish, eggs, and full-fat dairy (if tolerated). These provide complete protein, bioavailable vitamins and minerals, and essential fatty acids.

2. Low in Plant Toxins and Anti-Nutrients: It minimizes or eliminates grains, legumes, and seeds, as these plants contain defense chemicals (lectins, phytates, oxalates) that can interfere with nutrient absorption, irritate the gut, and contribute to inflammation in susceptible individuals.

3. Low in Refined Carbohydrates and Sugars: It avoids modern, processed foods that disrupt metabolic regulation.
4. Includes Seasonal Fruits and Non-Toxic Vegetables Optional: When available, these can provide variety and some phytonutrients, but they are not essential for survival or optimal health based on the biological and nutrient perspectives. They were likely seasonal, opportunistic foods for our ancestors.

In essence, the optimal human diet is one composed of the most nutrient-dense, bioavailable foods that our species is biologically adapted to consume and that promote stable metabolic function. The evidence from these core disciplines consistently points to animal-sourced foods as the centerpiece of that diet.
 

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The more i meditate the more upset and dulan i feel bro.. :frown:
Get comfortable: Sit in a comfortable position with your eyes closed or with a soft gaze. Take a few deep breaths to settle your body and mind.
Focus on your breath: Gently bring your awareness to your breath or the area around your heart.
Begin with yourself: Silently repeat phrases such as "May I be happy, may I be healthy, may I be safe, may I live with ease". Acknowledge any feelings that arise, but focus on the repetition of the phrases
 

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Weirdough this bakery have some wicked seaweed butter as wellπŸ‘πŸΎ
I have some garlic butter as well from a butchery as well πŸ˜‹
Sourdough toasted with these addon πŸ‘πŸΎπŸ‘πŸΎπŸ‘πŸΎ
But if i were to make it a set
3 slice Sourdough toast with addon
3 to 4 eggs yakun style of scrumble
Salads
Some meat
And a nice cold brew or ice drip coffee
After a workout hurhur πŸ‘ŒπŸ½πŸ‘ŒπŸ½πŸ‘ŒπŸ½

Noted on your recommendation, i shall purchase and give it a tryπŸ‘πŸΎ
yet to try weirdough, but it is on my list!
 

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The more i meditate the more upset and dulan i feel bro.. :frown:
not everyone can do silent meditation, some minds will amplify distortions or intensify anxiety so you may need to find other alternatives to occupy your thoughts
the old saying some people backside got worm cannot sit still is true
 

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I'm glad you asked. Let's try to pick bones with it.

This is a fundamental question that, when stripped of modern influences and low-quality evidence, can be addressed through the lenses of biochemistry, human physiology, and evolutionary biology.

Here is a synthesis of the optimal human diet from these perspectives.

1. The Nutrient Perspective: The "Inputs"

The optimal diet must provide all essential nutrients in their most bioavailable forms, meaning the body can easily absorb and use them.

Β· Complete Protein: Animal muscle meat, organ meats, eggs, and fish provide all nine essential amino acids in the correct ratios for human tissue building and repair. Plant proteins are incomplete and less bioavailable.

Β· Bioavailable Fats: Animal fats and seafood provide essential fatty acids (DHA, EPA, ARA) in their pre-formed, active states. They are crucial for the brain, nervous system, and cell membranes. The conversion of plant-based ALA (e.g., from flax) to DHA/EPA is inefficient in humans.

Β· Bioavailable Micronutrients:
Β· Heme Iron (from meat) is far more absorbable than non-heme iron (from plants).

Β· Vitamin A (Retinol) from liver, eggs, and dairy is immediately usable, while conversion of Beta-Carotene (from plants) to Retinol is inefficient and genetically variable.

Β· Vitamin B12 is exclusively found in animal foods.

Β· Vitamin K2 (crucial for directing calcium to bones and teeth) is found in animal fats, organ meats, and fermented foods, not in plants (which provide K1).

Β· Minerals like Zinc and Calcium from animal sources are significantly more bioavailable than from plant sources, which contain mineral-binding phytates.

Conclusion from this perspective: A diet centered on animal-sourced foods provides a complete, dense, and highly bioavailable nutrient profile.

2. The Metabolic Perspective: The "Engine"

This concerns how the body derives and utilizes energy.

Β· Stable Energy and Hormonal Regulation: The primary human hormones for fuel storage and use are insulin and glucagon. A diet low in refined carbohydrates and sugars minimizes large insulin spikes, promoting metabolic stability. Fat and protein provide a slow, steady release of energy.

Β· Mitochondrial Efficiency: Our cellular powerhouses can run on both glucose (from carbohydrates) and ketones (from fats). A diet that includes periods of lower carbohydrate intake encourages metabolic flexibilityβ€”the ability to efficiently burn fat for fuel. This is a stable and clean-burning energy state.

Β· Satiety Signaling: Protein and fat are powerfully satiating. They trigger the release of hormones like Cholecystokinin (CCK) and Peptide YY (PYY), which signal fullness and reduce hunger, making energy intake self-regulating.

Conclusion from this perspective: A diet that minimizes blood glucose and insulin volatility by deriving a significant portion of its energy from fat and protein is metabolically stable and promotes satiety.

3. The Biological Perspective: The "Machinery"

This examines human digestive anatomy and physiology.

Β· Dentition: Human teeth are not specialized for grinding tough plant matter like those of herbivores (e.g., flat molars of cows). Our canines and incisors are suited for tearing animal flesh and fruit.

Β· Gut Morphology: Humans have a simple, acidic stomach and a relatively long small intestine, which is the primary site for nutrient absorption. This is characteristic of an omnivore with a carnivorous leaning. We lack the specialized fermenting chambers (like a rumen or enlarged cecum) of herbivores needed to break down cellulose.

Β· Digestive Enzymes: We produce proteases and lipases for breaking down protein and fat, and amylase for carbohydrates. However, we lack the enzyme systems to break down fibrous plant matter (cellulose, hemicellulose).

Conclusion from this perspective: Human biology is that of a facultative carnivore or omnivorous generalist, with clear adaptations for eating and digesting animal foods more efficiently than tough, fibrous plants.

4. The Evolutionary Perspective: The "Blueprint"

This looks at the dietary pressures that shaped our species.

Β· Encephalization: The most dramatic event in human evolution was the tripling of our brain size. This required a dense, reliable source of energy and specific building blocks. The brain is ~60% fat and requires large amounts of DHA, EPA, and cholesterol. The "shore-based diet" or "aquatic ape" hypotheses, while debated, point to the consumption of fish and shellfish as a critical source of these brain-specific nutrients, which are scarce in terrestrial diets.

Β· Persistence Hunting & Scavenging: Evidence suggests early humans accessed calorie-dense fatty meat and marrow by scavenging carcasses or running down prey. This provided a high-energy return for effort, unlike gathering low-calorie fibrous plants.

Β· Tool Use & Fire: The development of tools for hunting and butchering, and the control of fire for cooking, made animal foods even more central. Cooking denatures protein and breaks down connective tissue, making meat far easier to chew and digest, and increasing its net energy yield.

Conclusion from this perspective: The shift to a nutrient-dense, animal-based diet was not just a side note but the central driver that enabled the evolution of the large human brain and our unique cognitive abilities.

Synthesis: The Optimal Human Diet

Based on these four pillars, the optimal human diet is:

An Animal-Based Diet.

This is not a modern "carnivore diet" fad, but a template derived from first principles. Its core components are:

1. Animal Foods as the Foundation: Meat (especially red meat for its nutrient density), organ meats (the most potent source of vitamins), fish, eggs, and full-fat dairy (if tolerated). These provide complete protein, bioavailable vitamins and minerals, and essential fatty acids.

2. Low in Plant Toxins and Anti-Nutrients: It minimizes or eliminates grains, legumes, and seeds, as these plants contain defense chemicals (lectins, phytates, oxalates) that can interfere with nutrient absorption, irritate the gut, and contribute to inflammation in susceptible individuals.

3. Low in Refined Carbohydrates and Sugars: It avoids modern, processed foods that disrupt metabolic regulation.
4. Includes Seasonal Fruits and Non-Toxic Vegetables Optional: When available, these can provide variety and some phytonutrients, but they are not essential for survival or optimal health based on the biological and nutrient perspectives. They were likely seasonal, opportunistic foods for our ancestors.

In essence, the optimal human diet is one composed of the most nutrient-dense, bioavailable foods that our species is biologically adapted to consume and that promote stable metabolic function. The evidence from these core disciplines consistently points to animal-sourced foods as the centerpiece of that diet.
Evidence of such a diet being health promoting on the long term? Nothing right, because it doesn't even have weak evidence of being healthy on the long term. If you have any evidence you would have already shown it to me. Just admit it and i would have at least respected you to have the courage to be an experimental rat. However i do wish you your diet can be a breakthrough in nutritional health science. Mechanism based studies is really not a wise choice to base your diet on though.

I quoted 5 studies to you so far, you only dismiss it as low quality or weak instead of quoting which aspect and the best part is you didn't even go through the study because you prefer to be a youtube/chatgpt researcher instead of going through actual studies. Well, we are still going through the same merry go round until i quote the number 10th study. Couldn't have made myself clear enough.
 

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Cite your studies. Lets see how credible it is.

No one else mentioned anything abt this or that is supported/backed by studies, but you. Why do you insist on it.
You can just google.

As for completx carbs causing chronic diseases, I tried to google but cannot find any.
This reasoning overlooks how excessive PUFA affects the body at a cellular level.

Take a typical modern diet as an example. A single person may consume around 15 to 20 grams of omega-6 per day from seed oils, processed foods, and restaurant meals. To achieve a true 1:1 omega-6 to omega-3 ratio, that person would need to consume 15 to 20 grams of omega-3 daily. Considering that fatty fish like salmon contains roughly 1 to 2 grams of omega-3 per 100 grams, a person would need to eat 7 to 10 kilograms of salmon per day to match the omega-6 intake, which is clearly impossible.

Even if someone could achieve this, consuming excessive omega-3 or omega-6 is not harmless. High omega-6 intake promotes inflammation, oxidative stress, and insulin resistance, while excessively high omega-3 can increase bleeding risk, suppress immune response, and also become prone to oxidation. PUFA in general, when consumed in large amounts, are highly susceptible to oxidation, generating harmful lipid peroxides that damage cells and tissues.
You are splitting hairs and making diet more stressful in an already stressful world.

Dieting is supposed to be simple. Just follow conventional wisdom of moderating everything you do in life.

Eat some of everything in their whole foods form, minimize refined carbs and processed foods and move more. You are already healthier than majority in the population.
 

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Evidence of such a diet being health promoting on the long term? Nothing right, because it doesn't even have weak evidence of being healthy on the long term. If you have any evidence you would have already shown it to me. Just admit it and i would have at least respected you to have the courage to be an experimental rat. However i do wish you your diet can be a breakthrough in nutritional health science. Mechanism based studies is really not a wise choice to base your diet on though.

I quoted 5 studies to you so far, you only dismiss it as low quality or weak instead of quoting which aspect and the best part is you didn't even go through the study because you prefer to be a youtube/chatgpt researcher instead of going through actual studies. Well, we are still going through the same merry go round until i quote the number 10th study. Couldn't have made myself clear enough.
What long term studies are you talking about? Is there any? For any kind of diets?

If you do not have any knowledge of the mechanistic understanding, there's no way you would understand evidenced based studies.

Just like what you are now. You do not know what you dunno. You just cannot accept the reality. Even when the facts are put in front of you.

Repeating that you cited some rubbish studies doesn't mean you are right. Because you dun even understand those studies. Goodness!

Posting a chart trying to inform ppl on the associations between meat and breast cancer doesn't say anything. Its of no utility. And you thought that was a.summary of your reading. That's just a sub heading.

Please learn how to read and think critically.
 

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You can just google.

You can just google.

As for completx carbs causing chronic diseases, I tried to google but cannot find any.
I do not wish to misrepresent you.
Since you said there are studies backing up what you said, why not be gracious and share the studies.

@Checkyrmed exact words.

'Carbs, even complex ones, still raise blood sugar and insulin far more than fats or protein, and chronically elevated insulin is what drives insulin resistance, fatty liver, and metabolic disease'

These are known mechanisms that you can readily find more info on. With so many keywords, why do you insist on complex carbs and chronic diseases only?
 

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I'm glad you asked. Let's try to pick bones with it.

This is a fundamental question that, when stripped of modern influences and low-quality evidence, can be addressed through the lenses of biochemistry, human physiology, and evolutionary biology.

Here is a synthesis of the optimal human diet from these perspectives.

1. The Nutrient Perspective: The "Inputs"

The optimal diet must provide all essential nutrients in their most bioavailable forms, meaning the body can easily absorb and use them.

Β· Complete Protein: Animal muscle meat, organ meats, eggs, and fish provide all nine essential amino acids in the correct ratios for human tissue building and repair. Plant proteins are incomplete and less bioavailable.

Β· Bioavailable Fats: Animal fats and seafood provide essential fatty acids (DHA, EPA, ARA) in their pre-formed, active states. They are crucial for the brain, nervous system, and cell membranes. The conversion of plant-based ALA (e.g., from flax) to DHA/EPA is inefficient in humans.

Β· Bioavailable Micronutrients:
Β· Heme Iron (from meat) is far more absorbable than non-heme iron (from plants).

Β· Vitamin A (Retinol) from liver, eggs, and dairy is immediately usable, while conversion of Beta-Carotene (from plants) to Retinol is inefficient and genetically variable.

Β· Vitamin B12 is exclusively found in animal foods.

Β· Vitamin K2 (crucial for directing calcium to bones and teeth) is found in animal fats, organ meats, and fermented foods, not in plants (which provide K1).

Β· Minerals like Zinc and Calcium from animal sources are significantly more bioavailable than from plant sources, which contain mineral-binding phytates.

Conclusion from this perspective: A diet centered on animal-sourced foods provides a complete, dense, and highly bioavailable nutrient profile.

Regarding your point 1.

Nutrient dense food is good and all IF you are young and growing.

If you are not so young and not so growing, then be very careful of taking too much of a β€œgood” stufff.

Increase intake of meat leads to over activation of mTORC1, inhibiting autophagy etc.

Overall, this increase potential risk to cancer, decrease longevit and metabolic health.

Some meat is good. Not too much. Especially red meat.
 

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Regarding your point 1.

Nutrient dense food is good and all IF you are young and growing.

If you are not so young and not so growing, then be very careful of taking too much of a β€œgood” stufff.

Increase intake of meat leads to over activation of mTORC1, inhibiting autophagy etc.

Overall, this increase potential risk to cancer, decrease longevit and metabolic health.

Some meat is good. Not too much. Especially red meat.
I'm not sure why everyone else besides the young should not be eating highly nutritious food. Esp the elderly whom most are malnourish. Even for the chronically ill, like obesity and diabetics, eating such nutrients dense food, where there's limited carbs, its beneficial.

Mtor and Autophagy are 2 sides of the same coin. One builds, the other breaks.

On such food which really fills you, you tend to have better appetite control. You dun feel hungry as often.

So far, I have read the associations of red meat to cancer. But yet to come across any credible studies. Would you like to point out some to me?

If one nourishes the body with nutrients dense food which is highly bio available, we should be looking to good metabolic health instead. You can find out what are the few metabolic syndromes too..
 
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2. The Metabolic Perspective: The "Engine"

This concerns how the body derives and utilizes energy.

Β· Stable Energy and Hormonal Regulation: The primary human hormones for fuel storage and use are insulin and glucagon. A diet low in refined carbohydrates and sugars minimizes large insulin spikes, promoting metabolic stability. Fat and protein provide a slow, steady release of energy.

Β· Mitochondrial Efficiency: Our cellular powerhouses can run on both glucose (from carbohydrates) and ketones (from fats). A diet that includes periods of lower carbohydrate intake encourages metabolic flexibilityβ€”the ability to efficiently burn fat for fuel. This is a stable and clean-burning energy state.

Β· Satiety Signaling: Protein and fat are powerfully satiating. They trigger the release of hormones like Cholecystokinin (CCK) and Peptide YY (PYY), which signal fullness and reduce hunger, making energy intake self-regulating.

Conclusion from this perspective: A diet that minimizes blood glucose and insulin volatility by deriving a significant portion of its energy from fat and protein is metabolically stable and promotes satiety.

Regarding your point 2.

It is incorrect to think that eating fat or protein will improve mitochondria efficiency.

Being FAT, lack of exercise, old age and some genetics are what causes mitochondria inefficiency.

Yes Fat and Protein is Satiating. But do you know what else is also Satiating?

Fibre! Plant fibres are well researched to have shown increase satiety too.

Try not to be hyper focus on one macro nutrient and lose track of other macro nutrient.
 

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What long term studies are you talking about? Is there any? For any kind of diets?

If you do not have any knowledge of the mechanistic understanding, there's no way you would understand evidenced based studies.

Just like what you are now. You do not know what you dunno. You just cannot accept the reality. Even when the facts are put in front of you.

Repeating that you cited some rubbish studies doesn't mean you are right. Because you dun even understand those studies. Goodness!

Posting a chart trying to inform ppl on the associations between meat and breast cancer doesn't say anything. Its of no utility. And you thought that was a.summary of your reading. That's just a sub heading.

Please learn how to read and think critically.
If you cannot comprehend a basic fact that evidences precedes mechanisms in scientific studies, i doubt about your critical thinking skills. You see again, you claim something is rubbish and cannot prove your point, further establishing the fact your are at the bottom of the debate pyramid.
 

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Regarding your point 2.

It is incorrect to think that eating fat or protein will improve mitochondria efficiency.

Being FAT, lack of exercise, old age and some genetics are what causes mitochondria inefficiency.

Yes Fat and Protein is Satiating. But do you know what else is also Satiating?

Fibre! Plant fibres are well researched to have shown increase satiety too.

Try not to be hyper focus on one macro nutrient and lose track of other macro nutrient.
Once someone is metabolic healthy, energy level returns, you would want to do something. Walk. Exercise. Etc.

The satiety from fibre is different from fats and proteins. Fibre gives a false sense of fullness due to it being a waste product that the human body cant absorb. So, why eat waste to produce waste?
 

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If you cannot comprehend a basic fact that evidences precedes mechanisms in scientific studies, i doubt about your critical thinking skills. You see again, you claim something is rubbish and cannot prove your point, further establishing the fact your are at the bottom of the debate pyramid.
I have said it.

You do not know how the study is conducted just by looking at the chart.

Go and read the China study. Understand how it's conduct, then we talk.
 
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