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He suggests to cancel shield plans.

He suggests to move from one insurance provider just to save costs. :s8:

If you don't think he gives poor and downright rotten advice, you must be either delusional or really dumb.

Why would someone move from one insurer to another coz of premiums etc
From my understanding, there exist a single platform used by insurers to check on policyholders
 

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A truckload of post and arguments but nobody actually mentioned this?
https://www.etiqa.com.sg/personal/life-insurance/savings-retirement/easy-save-series/eeasy-save/

Talk about guaranteed returns, market volatility, agent's commissions, insurers cutting bonuses, comparing BIs and whatnot... seriously...?

that is not bad, but that is assuming a guy who have $15000 spare cash to put in the bank

for a normal guy with a lot of commitment, it is not easy to save 15k

if u prefer to save small amount in every year, but still want high interest, endowment is not a bad choice
 
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He suggests to cancel shield plans.

He suggests to move from one insurance provider just to save costs. :s8:

If you don't think he gives poor and downright rotten advice, you must be either delusional or really dumb.

If one day appleyum really kenna accident then GGWP liao :s22::s22:
 

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Hi,

Anyone has good recommendations for endowment plans?
30K total (can be one lump sum or annual 10k payment/year for 5 years, etc)
Looking at a holding period of 10-15 years.

TIA.

that is not bad, but that is assuming a guy who have $15000 spare cash to put in the bank

for a normal guy with a lot of commitment, it is not easy to save 15k

if u prefer to save small amount in every year, but still want high interest, endowment is not a bad choice

Did anyone read TS thread before commenting? :s11:
 

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i know it is terrible to wish bad on anyone, but i sincerely hope he or his family get stricken with a major illness and incurs a huge hospital bill.

his spreading of misinformation is as bad as agents' misrepresentation.

Every word is gold, every sentence is aggreeable. I can't help but to share the thoughts too. :s22:
 

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Hahaha...If that is what you think, so be it then.

I thought u were on his side too. Honestly.

I guess this isn't edmw so why is appleyum mentioned in the thread anyway?
Lets not pollute money mind with foolish mind.
 

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I thought u were on his side too. Honestly.

I guess this isn't edmw so why is appleyum mentioned in the thread anyway?
Lets not pollute money mind with foolish mind.

Did I condemn all the plans ?
 
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Although projected is projected.. but so far I see yearly there is still some percentage be it 0.something or 1-2.something... it is still confirm for the profit to lock in liao. So the final return is confirm more than what you put in liao
 

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Although projected is projected.. but so far I see yearly there is still some percentage be it 0.something or 1-2.something... it is still confirm for the profit to lock in liao. So the final return is confirm more than what you put in liao

Yuppp unless they every year 0, if not sure gt some profit

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What about inflation?

Have we mentioned inflation yet? Given that most parents are persuaded to buy endowments to save for children's education with a sufficiently long timeframe, you may find endowments cannot meet that need. The numbers given in the Investment Moats calculations must be seen against the backdrop of inflation. Inflation is on the low side now, but we cannot assume that it will remain that way indefinitely; just look at the short-vol traders who got caught with their pants down when VIX spiked up at the beginning of this year.

The Etiqa endowment that Bigoya shared is interesting. It's a direct sales model, so the returns look decent because no agents need to be remunerated. It's also a very bond-like product. Closing yields on 29 March of the benchmark 5-year SGS and the benchmark 10-year SGS were 2.05% and 2.29% respectively. Doing a simple linear interpolation, 6-year rate for SGS should be about 2.10%.

The questions are:

1.) do you want to receive 2.23% against A- rated Etiqa versus 2.1% from AAA Singapore government?
2.) do you think you can get covered for that endowment death benefit sum assured in your existing term insurance for cheaper (and potentially at a longer term than just the 6 years offered here).
3.) the lock-in of endowment means that you can't really roll into another higher-yield product like you can with bonds that you hold.
4.) you will also forego the semi-annual coupon interest that you can use in other higher-yielding investments during the six year period.


I think TS was looking at a longer tenure product though.

Also, for the people who say that well, at least the returns are non-zero, I think that's missing the point. It's your hard-earned money and you would want to maximise your returns on a risk-adjusted basis. I'm not a proponent of active management, but over a long-enough timeframe (defined as more than 10 years), a passive, low cost index-tracking equities-bond mix would provide for better returns, and returns that are also inflation-adjusted. Certainly if you have a newborn baby today, the better way to save for his or her university tuition in 18 or 21 years is not an endowment. If you are lazy, don't be lazy because it's your money. If you don't know how, then learn how because it's your money.
 
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