Fixed or floating rate housing loan

Doc Madatay

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Buying a new house
Got option of 2% fixed 5 years or
Floating 1.8% 3 years
Newbie here needing advice
Thank you :)
 

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Buying a new house
Got option of 2% fixed 5 years or
Floating 1.8% 3 years
Newbie here needing advice
Thank you :)

What does "floating [...] 3 years" mean? If it's a floating-rate loan, then "3 years" anything doesn't make sense.

(Also, that fixed-rate loan will probably convert to a floating-rate loan after the 5-year period. In Singapore, and most other countries, "fixed rate" mortgages actually convert to a floating rate after the fixed-rate period; only in a few countries (the US and France are the ones I know of) can you get an actual 30-year fixed-rate mortgage.)
 

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Buying a new house
Got option of 2% fixed 5 years or
Floating 1.8% 3 years
Newbie here needing advice
Thank you :)

just to warn you.

floating is ok if it is linked to sibor.

if it linked to numbers controlled by the banks, eg fd or some board rates, it is floating only when interest rates rises. when interest rates drops, it is fixed.
 

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Buying a new house
Got option of 2% fixed 5 years or
Floating 1.8% 3 years
Newbie here needing advice
Thank you :)

First Congrats on your new house!

I would go for fixed 5years as it gives me predictable cash flow

And yeah as someone mentioned, go for public transparent float reference like Sibor or Bank 3months deposit rate. Bank Internal home board rate is too opague and can only go up based on my experience and there is nothing you can do about it.

How much loan quantum do you have left?
 

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2% for 5yrs is a very good deal. Can share which bank?
 

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What does "floating [...] 3 years" mean? If it's a floating-rate loan, then "3 years" anything doesn't make sense.
As written it doesn't make sense, but sometimes a mortgage lender will do this sort of thing:

First 3 years: floating rate pegged at X% over reference rate Z (currently 1.8%)
Thereafter: floating rate pegged at X%+Y% over reference rate Z

So it's a floating rate throughout, but during the first 3 years there's a discount. There can be all sorts of "exotic" interest rate formulas, and most of them are pretty dumb.

I too like the 2.0%/5 year offer, but I too want to understand what the interest rate peg is. If it's a SIBOR or SGS peg, and if the 6th year onward is a reasonable markup to the peg, then it looks like a good mortgage to me.

(Also, that fixed-rate loan will probably convert to a floating-rate loan after the 5-year period. In Singapore, and most other countries, "fixed rate" mortgages actually convert to a floating rate after the fixed-rate period; only in a few countries (the US and France are the ones I know of) can you get an actual 30-year fixed-rate mortgage.)
To elaborate a bit, while floating rate mortgages (called "Adjustable Rate Mortgages") are available, the standard mortgage in the United States is the 30 year fixed rate mortgage. According to Bankrate.com, as I write this, there's a U.S. mortgage lender that's offering a 30 year fixed mortgage at just a little under 3.5% APR and with 0 points. ("Points" refers to a possible sales charge for the mortgage. For example, if the lender charges 1 point, then the borrower would have to pay or possibly finance a US$5,000 origination fee on a US$500,000 mortgage. Obviously a 0 point mortgage is desirable, other things being equal.)

With a 30 year fixed rate mortgage you're often able to refinance the mortgage if/when interest rates fall substantially. There are quite a few people with ~3.0% interest mortgages right now with 20+ years to run, and they're really happy (and should be). Mortgage interest can also sometimes reduce your U.S. income tax bill, although that possible tax benefit has been tempered within the past couple years. (In Singapore mortgage interest can only help reduce your income tax bill on property that you rent out, not for owner-occupied homes.)

There is one quasi-fixed interest rate mortgage in Singapore: the HDB loan, at 2.6%. HDB loans are technically floating rate, but they've been pegged at the floor rate for a long time and stand a high likelihood of staying there. If the HDB loan rate ever rises above its floor, it'll only do so at the same time the CPF Ordinary Account interest rate rises above its floor, in lockstep. So you're very well defended against rate shocks with HDB loans.
 

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Get floating if its linked to sibor, no point getting fixed to anything when long term global interest rates keep falling.
 

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just to warn you.

floating is ok if it is linked to sibor.

if it linked to numbers controlled by the banks, eg fd or some board rates, it is floating only when interest rates rises. when interest rates drops, it is fixed.
When floating interest rate is negative,the rate applicable is ZERO.
The spread will also NOT be nett off.

I had a SOR loan and the rate was negative.I was charged the actual spread.
 

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Get floating if its linked to sibor, no point getting fixed to anything when long term global interest rates keep falling.

In 2018/2019 interest rates were rising. Now, interest rates are falling. Nobody knows about the future movement.
 

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In 2018/2019 interest rates were rising. Now, interest rates are falling. Nobody knows about the future movement.

That was just a small bounce, interest rates have been going lower in the past few decades, part of this has to do with demographics and very high debt levels.
 

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DBS fixed 5 Yr 2%. One of the most popular interest rate packages by DBS. I generally recommend it for clients with low loan quantum and don't make sense to do repricing or refinancing. Good thing abt thus package is the waiver of penalty due to sale so those looking to sell their units will not be penalised.

2% for 5yrs is a very good deal. Can share which bank?
 

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Depends on your loan quantum. Also do you intend to sell off the house soon?

Would not recommend the DBS 5yr 2% if you have a high loan quantum as now fixed rate can be as low as 1.75%.

Would only recommend the 5yr 2% if low loan quantum and don't make sense to do repricing or refinancing anymore.

*mortgage broker here.

Buying a new house
Got option of 2% fixed 5 years or
Floating 1.8% 3 years
Newbie here needing advice
Thank you :)
 
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