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[davidktw]

high lighted in red. "you will need" logically ppl will think that oh front end code is the only way.
in this part i though you are trying to tell him that it can only be done in client side. since u already explained in previous post. take it as my misunderstand. you have to put ur anger down. don have to be so work up by my points.




he doesn't even know simple vb or even know what are variables ,metod or functions. to him i think it is advance for him as he need to learn 3 programing language.CSS,javascript,vb.net.
like i mentioned, anyting that works will bring him to sky. all newbie programmer start in this manner. as long as it works for his first project.he will find his own way to make it right for the next project. i believen same goes to u. when u first make a log in page. i believed it is just as simple as log in without much validation.


i saw "Lbaomye"'s reply and i scroll down and saw ur reply and everything starts from there.


well.lets stop this topic

First of all, there is no anger here. If you wanted to stop this, you can do so on your end by stop replying to the thread.

When you make a post explicitly mentioning on how "I am wrong", do you expect me to keep mum about it unless it is really that wrong ? I don't think any part of the advices I have made in this thread is wrong, which is exactly why I find the need to clarify.

The logic you have imposed on "you will need" is your own thoughts, not necessarily the common thoughts.

VB is your back end codes. <u>For front end <b>you will need</b> to use client side scripting which is either vb script or javascript.</u>

I think you will want to read again the part underlined and then attach what is in bold. Allow me to break it down for you.

1) VB is your back end codes - This statement answers to the doubt that TS claimed that the teacher insist only VB be used. (Actually it should be taken as VB script, not VB, which I have already clarified earlier).

2) For front end - Here I EXPLICITLY mentioned that there is a front end part, so there is nothing "naturally" to be read differently. I have make the choice of introducing the front end and there is a front end to the whole solution.

3) You will need - This is the part in contention. This fragment is based on the prior pre-text that there is a front end. Since the pre-text established is "For front end" exist, as such "you will need" is EXACTLY as true as it should be on what is following in (4)

4) to use client side scripting which is either vb script or javascript - Unless you have any other native scripting technologies you would like to introduce and I'm not aware of, VB script and Javascript are the only 2 native scripting languages interpreted in browsers technologies today. With all scripting capable browsers interpret Javascript, and only IE interpreting VB script additionally.

To answer back your interpretation, I don't see how in the message itself implied that "front end code is the only way" I don't think I answer to that at all. Next "you will need" is for the latter part of the statement, namely point (4). I hope you read English as-is, and don't bend on its meaning and then impose another intention onto me.

Up to this point, I have explicitly answer to your quotes on my words in red especially.

Next allow me to tackle another part of the whole intention.

First there seems to be an assumption that TS have no capacity to understand that the proper web development today consist of both the front end and the back end which are normally written using different languages.

In fact the day TS embarked on web development, there is already 2 portion to the whole solution which people tend to absent-mindedly took it for granted. It's called HTML. HTML is a client side technology. As a markup language itself, TS has already in the whirlpool dealing with front end and back end. The whole notion of introducing Javascript is as natural as it should be.

If it is introduced properly and appropriately, there is no 3rd language in development experience. It is just like how developers accepted HTML as-if it's a norm approach to web development. Javascript is introduced in bits and pieces into the work itself and do not require full fledge writing of classes or even separately to see it in effect. As such, I don't agree it need to be taken out of context from a beginner. In fact, it should be introduced like sprinkling onions onto a dish. As with all beginners web development books that I have come across, all of them introduce javascript at some point of the book. So how is the notion of introducing javascript into the picture something so difficult to grasp ? I fathom over such conclusion, if you feel compelled to think that it is out of TS scope to cope with the introduction of javascript, it is something you like to just share and not explicitly mentioned that I am wrong. Please be noted on the differences.

If TS doesn't know what are variables and so forth, TS better learn it because it is necessary in programming, not just web development.

With the example of reseting a form, no one in the right mind should use the server to do it. That's because it is already handled by HTML. As with the part that you come up with validation and so forth, it's your introduction to the thread. I don't remember I have mentioned something so explicit at all. Up to the point of what I have advised TS, TS ought to get acquaintance with some javascript programming. So please read my response properly before you add toppings on top of it and then call it wrong.

It really feels weird when words are imposed and I should be the one putting a stop to the debate... weird.