Help spec my new PC!

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I was hoping to hold out till Oct/Nov when the new Nvidia 20XX series hits the shelves before getting a new PC, but my old pc is starting to make very loud funny noises and randomly hanging once in awhile, so I think I may not be able to hold out till then.

Use of my PC is 75% gaming (not very high requirements games), 10% normal surfing/emails, 10% photo editing and 5% light video editing. I use DxO Photolab for my photo editing and Cyberlink Powerdirector for my video editing, so not the usual Adobe suite.

Main requirements for the new PC are 1440p 100fps gaming for games like FFIV and Blizzard games like WoW, HoTS and OW. Won't be looking to play any high requirement games.

I also won't be looking to manually overclock the system as I have no idea how to do so. However, if possible to enable those built in auto overclock by manufacturers to improve performance I would like to do so.

I expect that budget for the above requirements shouldn't exceed $2500, if I don't need to include monitor, keyboard, mouse etc. Of course the lower the cost the better, while achieving the above requirements :D

Given the above requirements, I would like to request for recommendations on the following. Sorry for having so many questions, and thank you in advance for your help! I will post a planned build after listening to your advice on the questions below.

1. Intel vs AMD.

(a) I'm looking at Intel i-5 8600K vs AMD Ryzen 5 2600X. Would I need to go up to the Intel i-7 and Ryzen 7 series to achieve my requirements?

(b) I chose the "K" and "X" versions due to what I mentioned above about the auto-overclocking features if available - is this necessary?

(c) I understand that Intel is better for gaming, and Ryzen better for productivity. Majority of the PC's use will be for gaming, but will the 25% productivity I do take a big hit if I go with Intel? Conversely, will I be unable to achieve 1440p 100fps on the games I play if I go with Ryzen?

2. Graphics Card

Would a GTX 1070 be able to handle 1440p 100fps or do I need to go higher? How much higher if so?

3. RAM

(a) For Intel, I read that RAM speed doesn't really matter, so I can go with a 2666Hz kit? For Ryzen I will need a 3200Hz kit to maximize performance?

(b) Would 16GB be enough or should I go up to 32GB to handle the 15% photo and video editing that I do?

4. CPU cooler

(a) For a set and forget system, would an air cooler be better than an AIO water cooler? I read that AIO water coolers can dry up over time and the CPU after 2-3 years ends up with effectively no cooling at all.

(b) Given that the only overclocking I want is the auto-boosting features, what cooler would be recommended? Bonus points if there is a RGB option :s22:

(c) For Ryzen, would it be more cost effective to go with Ryzen 7 with the supposedly good bundled cooler vs Ryzen 5 with a 3rd party cooler?

5. Assembly

For the past 20+ years, I've always had my PCs assembled by a shop in SLS (previously Fuwell, then switched to PC Themes based on recommendations here). Only had issues once with a faulty motherboard but other than that haven't needed to RMA anything (touch wood). Given the establishment of several boutique assemblers like Aftershock, Typhoon Systems, Ideal Tech etc. Is it better to go with the boutiques, or stick with the SLS shops? What are the downsides to going with boutiques vs SLS shops?
 

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How many marks essay is this? You have done your research well. Up to you whether you want amd or intel.
 

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For 1b, both amd and Intel have "auto oc" termed turbo boost or something similar. The Intel k series allows you to manual overclock which overwrites the turbo boost. If you don't intend to overclock, just get the regular non-k varients which performs equally well.

For amd x varients, especially 2xxx, their auto oc actually matches manaul non x varients OC performance so if you wanna use a CPU oc-ed out of the box, the 2600x is a good choice. Amd's x variant has the advantage of a beefier cooler compared to it's non x counterpart so you can actually choose not to purchase a separate cooler as the bundled cooler has respectable performance.
 
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Thank you everyone for your advice so far! Appreciate more advice on my other queries too :)

Set and forget? Beefy air cooler (a'la D15/R1) with GT fan any day over smlj AIO.

Thank you! How is the Cooler Master AM410M TUF? It has RGB haha! Will I need it for both Intel and Ryzen?

How many marks essay is this? You have done your research well. Up to you whether you want amd or intel.

Sorry for the essay, I did research and these were the outstanding queries that I had, so I came to ask the experts. It's a big investment so I want to make sure I make the right decisions based on my use case!

For 1b, both amd and Intel have "auto oc" termed turbo boost or something similar. The Intel k series allows you to manual overclock which overwrites the turbo boost. If you don't intend to overclock, just get the regular non-k varients which performs equally well.

For amd x varients, especially 2xxx, their auto oc actually matches manaul non x varients OC performance so if you wanna use a CPU oc-ed out of the box, the 2600x is a good choice. Amd's x variant has the advantage of a beefier cooler compared to it's non x counterpart so you can actually choose not to purchase a separate cooler as the bundled cooler has respectable performance.

Thank you! What I read is that the Wraith Prism is very good, but it will still throttle performance of the auto-OC. Ryzen seems like a good value proposition, but given Intel is superior for games and gaming is 75% of the use case, I just want to make sure that I can achieve the desired 1440p 100fps performance on the games I play.
 

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Thank you everyone for your advice so far! Appreciate more advice on my other queries too :)



Thank you! How is the Cooler Master AM410M TUF? It has RGB haha! Will I need it for both Intel and Ryzen?



Sorry for the essay, I did research and these were the outstanding queries that I had, so I came to ask the experts. It's a big investment so I want to make sure I make the right decisions based on my use case!



Thank you! What I read is that the Wraith Prism is very good, but it will still throttle performance of the auto-OC. Ryzen seems like a good value proposition, but given Intel is superior for games and gaming is 75% of the use case, I just want to make sure that I can achieve the desired 1440p 100fps performance on the games I play.

1070 = Performs like a 980 TI but a little better :D
More than enough for 1440p. If you want more fps at 1440p, get the 1080TI
 

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Thank you! What I read is that the Wraith Prism is very good, but it will still throttle performance of the auto-OC. Ryzen seems like a good value proposition, but given Intel is superior for games and gaming is 75% of the use case, I just want to make sure that I can achieve the desired 1440p 100fps performance on the games I play.

You don't have to worry about CPU bottleneck with either cpu. Just pick which you prefer. Gpu has much more impact on fps.

You can choose to purchase a separate cooler but imo, save it for a better gpu. Sure you could get a great air cooler like the cryorig h7 but it won't shave much temps. The wriath spire(which the 2600x comes bundled with) isn't very noisy as well.
 

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I just saw Palit got sale on 1070ti - will that be good enough?

How about RAM - 16Gb enough or should I spring for 32GB?
 

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I just saw Palit got sale on 1070ti - will that be good enough?

How about RAM - 16Gb enough or should I spring for 32GB?

I want to get that in preparation for battlefield 5 too. Dunno how to assemble the rest though
 

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Wraith Prism is exclusive to the 2700x. 2600x and 2700 comes with the non-RGB Wraith Spire

The Prism is an excellent stock cooler, allowing the 2700x to turbo up to 3.95 Ghz all cores on average easily. Makes the 2700x one heck of a monster, especially if you game + stream (because of the 2 extra cores over the i7-8700)
 

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I just saw Palit got sale on 1070ti - will that be good enough?

How about RAM - 16Gb enough or should I spring for 32GB?

I already mentioned earlier but you just ignored it.

Gtx 1080ti is the minimum needed to run at 1440p 100fps unless you are playing games liked dota 2 or cs go.

If you cannot afford it then pick 1440p or 100fps, not both.

Go check the benchmarks if you don't believe me.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/...31-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-benchmarks-7001
 
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Sorry to hijack
Looking for gaming pc which can play COD and Battle field
Is this spec ok?
What is the water cool close loop? Is it better than conventional fan?
 

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Why hijack when you can start your own thread? :s13:

After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit more research, this is the spec I've come up with (prices from PC Themes unless otherwise stated):

MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC + AMD Ryzen 2700X - $753
Samsung EVO 970 M.2 500GB SSD - $309
Toshiba 2TB 7200RPM P300 RED - $77
Fractal Design Meshify C TG - $145
EVGA G+ 650W Gold - $159
MSI 1080ti 11GB Duke/Gaming - $1149/$ 1229
G.Skill Trident Z RGB LED 3200MHz CL16 (8GB x 2pcs) - $315
NZXT AER RGB 120mm Fan Triple Pack x2 - $220 (Dynacore)
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64bit - $159

Total: $3286/$ 3366

What's the difference between Duke and Gaming versions of the MSI 1080ti? There's an $80 difference, but I notice with other shops the Duke can be more expensive than Gaming?

Critique and comments are welcome and appreciated. Thank you!
 

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Sorry to hijack
Looking for gaming pc which can play COD and Battle field
Is this spec ok?
What is the water cool close loop? Is it better than conventional fan?

why pick Z motherboard when your processor is non-k? their water cool closed loop is just an AIO. Yes, better for cooling k processor (aka overclocked processor). And no problem playing cod and bf.
 

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Anyone got any critique?

Why hijack when you can start your own thread? :s13:

After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit more research, this is the spec I've come up with (prices from PC Themes unless otherwise stated):

MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC + AMD Ryzen 2700X - $753
Samsung EVO 970 M.2 500GB SSD - $309
Toshiba 2TB 7200RPM P300 RED - $77
Fractal Design Meshify C TG - $145
EVGA G+ 650W Gold - $159
MSI 1080ti 11GB Duke/Gaming - $1149/$ 1229
G.Skill Trident Z RGB LED 3200MHz CL16 (8GB x 2pcs) - $315
NZXT AER RGB 120mm Fan Triple Pack x2 - $220 (Dynacore)
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64bit - $159

Total: $3286/$ 3366

What's the difference between Duke and Gaming versions of the MSI 1080ti? There's an $80 difference, but I notice with other shops the Duke can be more expensive than Gaming?

Critique and comments are welcome and appreciated. Thank you!
 
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