Hong Kong Airlines HX115 overhead compartment catches fire suspected from powerbank

[forests_gump]

There are some fire retardant pouches designed to contain lithium polymer batteries. Saw them listed in Amazon. If FAA or ICAO can certify such pouches as safe for carrying power banks on airplanes, I will gladly carry my powers banks in these pouches.

Think is gimmick, especially spdf would have bought them to put out EV Godzilla battery.

 

[SpeedingBullet]

yesssss, airlines lai. Blanket ban on all powerbanks!!

 

[buttbERry]

wa powerbank again?

 

[jeff79]

I used the 18650 batteries for my power bank. Battery wise I am using Panasonic batteries purchased in sg.

I have a few of such power banks, 2 8 batteries power banks ate kept as spares for emergency use, like blackout. I rotated these 2 power banks monthly by depleting them and charging them up again.

Another 2 4 batteries ones are for daily use.

For the bloated batteries, most of the time the components are not damaged. My Samsung S7 changed battery 2x already. I'm using the camera as a magnifying glass when I work on electronics projects at home. For those old hps, I replace the back cover with the transparent one after I changed the batt. This way, I can see the condition of the battery.

Powerbank with removal 18650 batteries cannot get onto plane as airlines check in counter crew needs to see the capacity in Wh labelled on the powerbank.

 

[jeff79]

Think is gimmick, especially spdf would have bought them to put out EV Godzilla battery.

milo tin can or butter cookies tin can is better at containing the flame and smoke but will also get very hot.

 

[lalalalalala]

There are some fire retardant pouches designed to contain lithium polymer batteries. Saw them listed in Amazon. If FAA or ICAO can certify such pouches as safe for carrying power banks on airplanes, I will gladly carry my powers banks in these pouches.

Will probably become requirement. But don't worry, shopee will sell the fake version and ppl will buy

 

[Racking2322]

Ban will take effect on April 1st bro. Now is say will ban Liao.

Below certain rating still can right?

 

[lalalalalala]

Nowadays people bring laptop overseas. Must blame the employers cannot let their staffs go on holiday in peace. Laptop battery also lithium battery, the chances of it catching fire is also there.

Not forgetting mobile phones too.

If want to ban, all these must also ban.

The thing is laptop and phone are made with new batteries from the factory and is a proper product, assuming u never go ah beng shop to change the batts.

Powerbank ppl like to buy the cheapest one they see on tiktok shop or shopee. We don't know if these are safe. Pretty sure there are ones that cannibalize laptop batts and resell as new power bank. Adding to the issue the charging circuit is usually badly made or the cheapest possible.

As you would know once the charge between the 18650 cells are imbalanced there is chance for the batt to explode

 

[jeff79]

The thing is laptop and phone are made with new batteries from the factory and is a proper product, assuming u never go ah beng shop to change the batts.

Powerbank ppl like to buy the cheapest one they see on tiktok shop or shopee. We don't know if these are safe. Pretty sure there are ones that cannibalize laptop batts and resell as new power bank. Adding to the issue the charging circuit is usually badly made or the cheapest possible.

As you would know once the charge between the 18650 cells are imbalanced there is chance for the batt to explode

Some brands laptop battery has hardware fuse that will blow when the battery bms detect imbalanced cells. Even for brand new laptop that was sitting on the shelf for months causing uneven drain.

The laptop will not power on even with power cable plug in. Needs to change new battery or reset the battery bms.

 

[orlengtao]

I'm using such power banks for years. No such problems for me as I only buy original batteries separately. Don't mind paying a bit more.

And the reason I used such power banks is because I am assured of the batteries I am using. You just buy any power banks out there, branded or non branded, you don't even know what battery they use.

The problem is power banks received as door gifts or given out free are using degraded or old batteries. Some even from old laptop batteries. The tiongs just strip off the battery label, put on another label and into the power bank. So all the e-waste exported to West Taiwan are repackaged and returned back to other countries in the form of such power banks and batteries. That's for the power banks using 18650 batteries.

The next is the lithium battery used in car cameras, laptops, hp, power banks and wireless airbuds. These are concealed inside their enclosures and you can't see the battery bloating up inside, until the case deforms or cracks. I had replaced countless of such batteries in my appliances.

Hmm. It's not just about the battery right? It's also about the circuit board and the safety mechamism. The safety mechanism when you move them around and also when you take flight, and the overcharging & over-discharging protection

If it's not properly tested, it's as good as those powerbank. Infact if you were to open up old xiaomi powerbanks, it's mostly powered by 18650 by LG/Samsung. . What i read is that the best recommended approch is get powerbanks with iec 62133-2 and iec 60950-1? Any expert can share more about this?

Due to the recent xiaomi powerbank case, i went to search further on it. Alot of them don't use the international standard, only their country standard. Like xiaomi. Even good brands like Belkin only have japan standard (JPTUV-163694-M109), engerizer only have 62133-2. So far only aukey some model provides both.

 

[jeff79]

Hmm. It's not just about the battery right? It's also about the circuit board and the safety mechamism. The safety mechanism when you move them around and also when you take flight, and the overcharging & over-discharging protection

If it's not properly tested, it's as good as those powerbank. Infact if you were to open up old xiaomi powerbanks, it's mostly powered by 18650 by LG/Samsung. . What i read is that the best recommended approch is get powerbanks with iec 62133-2 and iec 60950-1?

Due to the recent xiaomi powerbank case, i went to search further on it. Alot of them don't use the international standard, only their country standard. Like xiaomi. Even good brands like Belkin only have japan standard (JPTUV-163694-M109), engerizer only have 62133-2. So far only aukey some model provides both.

The xiaomi power bank that caught fire in mrt was cheaper model with foil pouch cells.

xiaomi website has another more expensive model of the same design that use 21700 cylindrical cells. Cylindrical cells will not bloat as it ages and generally safer.

 

[lalalalalala]

Hmm. It's not just about the battery right? It's also about the circuit board and the safety mechamism. The safety mechanism when you move them around and also when you take flight, and the overcharging & over-discharging protection

If it's not properly tested, it's as good as those powerbank. Infact if you were to open up old xiaomi powerbanks, it's mostly powered by 18650 by LG/Samsung. . What i read is that the best recommended approch is get powerbanks with iec 62133-2 and iec 60950-1? Any expert can share more about this?

Due to the recent xiaomi powerbank case, i went to search further on it. Alot of them don't use the international standard, only their country standard. Like xiaomi. Even good brands like Belkin only have japan standard (JPTUV-163694-M109), engerizer only have 62133-2. So far only aukey some model provides both.

Yes. And flight pressure is different from ground pressure. Your water bottle gets squeezed when the plane goes up or down. I don't think any manufacturer test for that and is what probably causes the fire

 

[focus1974]

i support total powerbank ban in airlines, taxi, phv, bus, hotel and office

if PHV/Taxi is a big powerbank how?

 

[audiovideo]

Many passengers won't give a park cos they own urge more important than theirs and others safety.

 

[junjie433]

香港航空一架空中巴士A320客機因機艙起火，今日（20日）下午1時56分備降福州長樂機場。 出事客機航班編號為HX115，中午12時56分從杭州蕭山機場起飛，原定下午2時56分降落香港。

網傳消息稱，疑似是移動充電裝置（尿袋）起火。

https://www.hk01.com/即時中國/60221716/香港航空客機起火備降福州-疑尿袋起火?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=fbpost&utm_campaign=mama&fbclid=IwY2xjawJIr0pleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHXULtq7i1vZkpcInYvsomh4hBJPe17julw2_bpbTmNAFwhe2Cf-RQ_snNA_aem_uLuN6UU8WhmW50gdR5Z9Bw

 

[orlengtao]

Yes. And flight pressure is different from ground pressure. Your water bottle gets squeezed when the plane goes up or down. I don't think any manufacturer test for that and is what probably causes the fire

I went to look around, seems like there is such certification for air pressure , it's UN 38.3. some of them do have that too, like Xiaomi.. wow so many patterns lol

 

[pwongkk]

Hmm. It's not just about the battery right? It's also about the circuit board and the safety mechamism. The safety mechanism when you move them around and also when you take flight, and the overcharging & over-discharging protection

If it's not properly tested, it's as good as those powerbank. Infact if you were to open up old xiaomi powerbanks, it's mostly powered by 18650 by LG/Samsung. . What i read is that the best recommended approch is get powerbanks with iec 62133-2 and iec 60950-1? Any expert can share more about this?

Due to the recent xiaomi powerbank case, i went to search further on it. Alot of them don't use the international standard, only their country standard. Like xiaomi. Even good brands like Belkin only have japan standard (JPTUV-163694-M109), engerizer only have 62133-2. So far only aukey some model provides both.

The pcb has overcharging protection built in, same for the 18650 battery (those flat tipped ones). Should be good enough.

I avoid power banks using the rectangle lithium battery, usually those slim ones, due to the tendency the battery will bloat after few years.

 

[dambio]

Below certain rating still can right?

Is say below 100wh power bank can. But after April 1st is ban from using powerbank n charging from it while in flight. So no difference from total ban.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...ore-landing-in-bangkok.7108835/post-155473776

Then tis case of power bank burns up also. Like tis threads news. Powerbank not in use.

 

[orlengtao]

The pcb has overcharging protection built in, same for the 18650 battery (those flat tipped ones). Should be good enough.

I avoid power banks using the rectangle lithium battery, usually those slim ones, due to the tendency the battery will bloat after few years.

Is it certified? Are they tested together with the battery?

If not, it's a "trust me bro" logic, where the emphasis is not based on certification but on "brands" and assumption. Still flawed, i rather trust brand with the right certification instead.

 

[Racking2322]

Is say below 100wh power bank can. But after April 1st is ban from using powerbank n charging from it while in flight. So no difference from total ban.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...ore-landing-in-bangkok.7108835/post-155473776

Then tis case of power bank burns up also. Like tis threads news. Powerbank not in use.

Ok at least can bring in. Usage is more for overseas than on plane