How should your portfolio vary based on leverage?

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I have been thinking about this question for quite a while but can't figure it out. So I want to turn to the forum for collective wisdom.

The question is that, should one's mix of portfolio change, as he increases or decreases the leverage?

In other words, everything else being equal, should a person have the same portfolio with 1m cash as 800k cash + 20% leverage? How about 50% leverage?

Many thanks in advance.
 

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I have been thinking about this question for quite a while but can't figure it out. So I want to turn to the forum for collective wisdom.

The question is that, should one's mix of portfolio change, as he increases or decreases the leverage?

In other words, everything else being equal, should a person have the same portfolio with 1m cash as 800k cash + 20% leverage? How about 50% leverage?

Many thanks in advance.

Depends on why you leverage. For me, it's to hedge fx so that portion,no change in strategy. But if it's to upsize returns then yes, I would use to buy less risky products like investment grade bonds.
 

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Depends on why you leverage. For me, it's to hedge fx so that portion,no change in strategy. But if it's to upsize returns then yes, I would use to buy less risky products like investment grade bonds.

The concern with bonds, is that they are very dependent on interest rate.

So if interest rate goes up, cost for leverage goes up and value for bond goes down... What should one do in such a situation?
 

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The concern with bonds, is that they are very dependent on interest rate.

So if interest rate goes up, cost for leverage goes up and value for bond goes down... What should one do in such a situation?

If you trade bonds in the secondary market then yes, you would be concerned about valuation. I hold to maturity so I am not too concerned. But yes, when rates rises, your yield will be hit but I think still worthwhile to leverage. However, I wouldnt leverage more than 30% personally.
 

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with leverage your portfolio swing wildly
leverage doesnt decrease your risk or increase your returns
it increases your chance to get wiped out with 1 single mistake
 

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I have been thinking about this question for quite a while but can't figure it out. So I want to turn to the forum for collective wisdom.

The question is that, should one's mix of portfolio change, as he increases or decreases the leverage?

In other words, everything else being equal, should a person have the same portfolio with 1m cash as 800k cash + 20% leverage? How about 50% leverage?

Many thanks in advance.

Mmm... OK, this is one I don't actually know the answer to, but I think the answer is "no they should not be the same".

The reason is that if you don't have leverage in your portfolio, you can always bounce back. Your portfolio will never go to zero (assuming you're buying a bond+stock mix, and you don't do anything dumb like putting 100% of your portfolio into Kaisa bonds or Lehman Brothers equity); no matter how bad the drawdown is, you won't get bankrupted, and you can recover from the drawdown.

If you use leverage, though, suddenly you can get bankrupted (or, equivalently, your leverage provider can forcibly close you out), and that changes the equation. If you hit zero, then you get wiped out and you won't be able to bounce back. So you need to reduce the amount of risk in the portfolio, to reduce the risk of getting bankrupted and never recovering your losses.

(If we veer into options theory, a leveraged equity or equity+bond portfolio is sort of like being long a very-long-tenor down-and-out knockout call option, where the knockout barrier is set at the point where your portfolio equity hits zero. If you use zero leverage, the knockout barrier is also zero, so you'll never get knocked out and the option always has value. But as you start leveraging up, the knockout barrier starts creeping up as well - and if the option gets knocked out, you're left with nothing, even if the index eventually rallies back.

(This, incidentally, helps explain why the 2008 crash was so bad: pretty much every leveraged equity portfolio in the world got wiped out all at once.)

The concern with bonds, is that they are very dependent on interest rate.

So if interest rate goes up, cost for leverage goes up and value for bond goes down... What should one do in such a situation?

...well, then you lose money twice over. That's the risk you take when leveraging up to buy bonds. And that's why I don't think it's a great idea to leverage up to buy bonds right now - you're buying bonds pretty much at all-time lows in yields, so it's very likely that you'll take mark-to-market losses on your bonds, and it's reasonably likely that your leverage costs will end up outweighing what you make on the bonds.

Wondrdoggie is right that you only have a mark-to-market problem, as long as you can afford to hold the bonds to maturity. If your bond portfolio is lightly leveraged - say, anything below 1.5x - then the only thing that could really blow a hole in your portfolio is a big single-name default (that wipes out, say, 50% of your portfolio) or a yield curve inversion (that means you're paying more for your leverage than you earn from the bonds).
 

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Thanks Shiny for the thinking, which makes me wonder, should investors leverage at all?

Assume one is only doing basic bond + stock. Stock have a much higher risk when using leverage due to volatility. And bond only makes sense at high interest level. But then it requires marketing timing as you never know whether interest rate would go even higher.

On the other hand, so many investors are still using leverage. So there must be some merit in it. I just don't know how to mitigate the risk.


On a side note, would it make sense then only to leverage for part of your portfolio. So even if market turns bad and it gets wiped out, you still have other part of the portfolio which can bounce back. Thoughts?
 

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Thanks Shiny for the thinking, which makes me wonder, should investors leverage at all?

Probably not, for the exact reasons you stated.

On the other hand, so many investors are still using leverage. So there must be some merit in it. I just don't know how to mitigate the risk.

Just because people do something doesn't mean it's a sensible thing to do. See also binge-drinking, cliff-diving, and living in Detroit.

On a side note, would it make sense then only to leverage for part of your portfolio. So even if market turns bad and it gets wiped out, you still have other part of the portfolio which can bounce back. Thoughts?

No, because the problem is you can't really leverage "just one part" of your portfolio.

Generally the rule is that if your account goes into negative territory (which it can, if you're using leverage), the leverage provider can choose to come after you for the rest of your assets, even the ones that are held elsewhere. (This isn't always the case, but it generally is.)

Incidentally: contra is a type of leverage! It's just that it's zero-cost and limited-time, but it's still leverage, as people found out when they bought Blumont on contra above $2 and then had people coming after them to break their kneecaps.
 
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