How to buy into S&P500 index, dow jones index and nasdaq index???

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I’ve checked the application form and so far so good. Let’s cross our fingers, will let you know how it goes. Thanks BBC!
Watch out for minimum commissions (UOB Kay Hian has US$19, and most others are down as low as US$15), dividend handling fees (ugh), possible custody fees, and currency conversion costs. CGS-CIMB iTrade, Lim and Tan, Maybank Kim Eng, and possibly KGI look like they’re available to U.S. persons for cost comparisons. And are you sure about OCBC Securities not being available? OCBC’s Blue Chip Investment Program (BCIP) is not friendly to U.S. persons, true, but OCBC Securities (the general brokerage) is different.

RHB Securities looks noncompetitive because of a higher minimum commission (US$20), so I think they can probably be scratched off the short list. Maybank Kim Eng looks promising. I’m not sure what Maybank Kim Eng’s USD minimum commission is (something to ask), but they currently offer 3 free trades to new clients for what it’s worth. Maybank Kim Eng won’t accept clients residing in the U.S. (U.S. mailing addresses), but otherwise they seem friendly enough. They don’t have any charges for dividend handling or custody, and they do support SRS.

On edit: S27 is classified as a so-called "Specified Investment Product" (SIP), which means you will need to complete (and pass) a "Client Proficiency Assessment" to buy it if you are not already classified as, for example, an "Accredited Investor."
 
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Celtosaxon, let's suppose you find a broker you like (that likes you) and buy S27 (the SGX-listed conduit to SPY, a U.S. domiciled U.S. S&P 500 stock index fund) using Supplementary Retirement Scheme funds. I'd just like to explain how I think the tax issues get sorted out:

1. You get Singapore income tax relief on the SRS deposits, whether or not they're invested. This tax relief is in the form of lower income tax payments in the following year-plus (assuming you're on GIRO payments, which you probably should be).

2. If your U.S. taxable earnings from work are entirely below the Foreign Earned Income Exclusion plus Foreign Housing Exclusion (if applicable), then you keep all of the Singapore income tax savings. If your earnings are above the FEIE/FHE, then the IRS effectively "claws back" a portion of the tax savings. The higher your income, the higher the percentage claw back.

3. What happens within the SRS account has no immediate Singapore tax consequences, but it does have U.S. tax consequences. Dividends are U.S. taxable as they're paid, but they should be mostly or entirely qualified dividends. (Hopefully you get a proper 1099-DIV.) If you sell any shares you'll have U.S. capital gains tax.

4. Upon SRS withdrawal there's no particular direct U.S. tax consequence since you're on a "pay as you go" basis with the IRS (dividends, interest, capital gains). However, here's what happens otherwise assuming this is a qualified SRS withdrawal (no 5% penalty):

(a) There's a 22% withholding rate, which amounts to 11% of the gross as I understand it. (Withholding does not apply to Singaporean citizens.)

(b) If this withdrawal slides below Singapore's income tax threshold, then you get all your withholding back, eventually. Otherwise, you pay whatever the actual tax is and get the remainder back. Rarely will you get zero back.

(c) If Singapore income tax does apply in the end, you'd then take a look at whether you can use it as a U.S. Foreign Tax Credit. And here's where it gets REALLY complicated. My best guess is that you'd first have to separate principal (SRS contributions) from total investment gains. Let's call the principal "P" and total investment gains "G." And I assume you'd adopt a level percentage basis when splitting P and G. For example, let's suppose your total SRS contributions amounted to US$57,000 and your total gains (to that point) conveniently amounted to US$57,000 -- a 50%-50% split. You withdraw US$26,000, let's suppose. That'd mean US$13,000 would be P and US$13,000 would be G, i.e. splitting in the same percentages. You'd continue to track this for subsequent withdrawals, dividing P and G a little differently as G bounces around but still with the same split logic applied.

You'd then apportion the Singapore income tax between P and G at the same, level percentage. For example, if the effective tax rate on the total is 7.5%, then it'd be 7.5% of P and 7.5% of G. Let's call that P-T and G-T.

P-T is essentially deferred foreign income tax on that particular, previously earned income. You'd then have to reduce or eliminate P-T depending on how much your FEIE/FHE factored in the original tax year(s). Basically you're trying to figure out how much incremental FTC you should get, if any. You'll probably use a "First In, First Out" method in treating P, and it'll get complicated if it crosses tax years. The remaining P-T, if any, you could probably apply as a Foreign Tax Credit in the general category. Whether you can spend down that FTC is a separate question.

G-T is foreign income tax on the total gains. You already paid full U.S. income tax on the interest, dividends, and capital gains (including final sale), so G-T should be fully creditable as passive category FTC. It should also be pretty easy to spend down.

That's my "best guess," but I could certainly be wrong! Whatever the calculation is, I expect it'll be complicated. You'll also have to be careful to get the currency conversions right since the IRS wants everything converted to U.S. dollars first -- each number -- and then you do your adds/subtracts/multiplies/divides in U.S. dollars. (At least that's how it used to be until very recently, unless this changed very recently.) These complex calculations won't be fun if you end up owing any Singapore income tax in the end. Of course you're not required to calculate and take any U.S. FTCs upon withdrawal(s), and I suppose that's one easy way to avoid the calculations. ;)

Your SRS account is surely FinCEN Form 114 and IRS Form 8938 reportable every year, assuming you cross those reporting thresholds.
 
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Thanks BBC,

1. I will make sure the SRS contributions are deducted on my Singapore tax return, paid by GIRO for sure.
2. FEIE+FHE plus the HOH standard deduction and CTCx2 should be enough for this year and next. I still have a five figure balance of unused FTC built up over the last decade (after using up some last year).
3. I get some qualified dividends from my ESPP and that has yet to create a U.S. tax liability (net of everything else). The earliest I would sell any shares is 2030 at the 10 year account anniversary.
4. The most likely case is to take the lump sum after 10 years, with a minimum nonresident rate of 15% on half the withdrawal. I’m expecting the balance to be low 6 figures. Worst case, both IRAS and IRS get their pound of flesh. Have to cross that bridge when I get there.
5. I had to open the SRS account at the end of last year, so have already started reporting the account. Presumably I will have to report the brokerage account and the sub-account for securities holding as well.
 
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Sorry for bringing up such an old thread. I'm looking at switching my 14 yrs old Aviva unit trust (not good well) to S&P500 ETF or global ETF but am overloaded with all the information here.

I intend to switch 100k SGD to either ETF SP500 or any global index such as IWDA and continue with a monthly investment of 500~1000 SGD. Investment timeline target at around 20~25 years from now.

After reading through all 8 pages of posts, can I draw a basic conclusion to go with these 2 options? 3rd is free for advice and input.

1. Vanguard VOO (high trading volume, longest track record, maybe one of the cheaper fees, aside from the 30% WHT and too US concentrated)

or

2. IB IWDA (worldwide diversify, removal of the $10 monthly fee thus could be cheaper, 15% WHT, but lacks trading volume?)

or

3. any other suggestions?

Thanks. :o
 

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Nowadays if you’re just starting I’d pick VWRA or ISAC for these purposes. These are global stock index funds domiciled in Ireland and listed/traded in London. They include stocks listed in all investible stock markets. Flip a coin; they’re both fine.
 

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I was looking at VWRA and found the following.

Vanguard FTSE All-World UCITS ETF (USD) Accumulating
  • ISIN IE00BK5BQT80
  • Total expense ratio 0.22%
  • Entry fee 0.00%
  • Created July 2019
  • Data 2005 Mar - 2022 Nov

It says data from 2005 but yet it was created in 2019? Catch no ball here.

Below are some of the cut-and-paste information I have compiled from google, not an expert so not sure right or not.

ETFVWRAISACIWDALCWDVTCSPX
Trancking IndexFTSE All World IndexMSCI ACWI IndexMSCI World IndexMSCI World IndexFTSE Global All Cap IndexS&P 500
Fund ManagerVanguardiSharesiSharesLyxorVanguardiShares
LSEYesYesYesYesNYSEYes
DividendAccuAccuAccAccuAccuAccu
Expense Ratio (Annual Fee)0.22%0.20%0.30%0.12%0.07%0.10%
Liquidity (Trading Vol)46k162k181k500k3.2 mil97k


Based on the above table, the safer bet is LCWD since it has one of the lower-Expense Ratio and high trading volume? Paiseh, really a noob about all these. :o
 

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Hello guys, I tried to open an account with Interactive Broker and was told that I did not meet the eligibility to trade CFD. As the section is titled "Stock, Index and Forex CFDs" if I remove it and proceed with the registration, will I be able to invest in ETF that tracks the Index?

Thanks
 

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Based on the above table, the safer bet is LCWD since it has one of the lower-Expense Ratio and high trading volume? Paiseh, really a noob about all these. :o
VWRA and ISAC include stocks listed in so-called emerging markets. I think that’s worth a small number of basis points.

Does LCWD exist any more? Amundi took over Lyxor, so it might have a different trading symbol.

SWRD is another candidate.

Pick any of the globals or near globals (except VT, assuming you’re not a U.S. person).
Hello guys, I tried to open an account with Interactive Broker and was told that I did not meet the eligibility to trade CFD. As the section is titled "Stock, Index and Forex CFDs" if I remove it and proceed with the registration, will I be able to invest in ETF that tracks the Index?
Probably.
 

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nice job on the table. one more important factor to add to the table is the domicile of the ETF (which could be different from the exchange it is listed on). LCWD is luxembourg domiciled whereas IWDA is Ireland domiciled.

There may be withholding tax issues - and there is a lot of misleading info on the internet about this issue.
If I were making a decision whether to pick LCWD or IWDA, I would check the amount of wittholding tax paid in the financial statements to see whether Lux domiciled ETFs pay more WHT.
 

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Hello guys, I tried to open an account with Interactive Broker and was told that I did not meet the eligibility to trade CFD. As the section is titled "Stock, Index and Forex CFDs" if I remove it and proceed with the registration, will I be able to invest in ETF that tracks the Index?

Thanks
You can check by testing?
 

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Hi,

Can I check what's the difference between Net Liquidity and Settled Cash in the Interactive Broker Portal? I realize the amount of the NAV is higher than my settled cash (I assume is the interest + my deposited cash).

Also, what's the interest rate of the idle cash offered by IBR?
 

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Hi,

Can I check what's the difference between Net Liquidity and Settled Cash in the Interactive Broker Portal? I realize the amount of the NAV is higher than my settled cash (I assume is the interest + my deposited cash).

Also, what's the interest rate of the idle cash offered by IBR?
Do you mean NLV?

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/php/whiteLabel/Screens/Account_Information.htm
Definition of of Settled Cash can also be found within

all these can be found by googling what you actually asked about.

in terms of interest rate

also can be found on IBKR website.

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/accounts/fees/pricing-interest-rates.php
tbh, like seriously. if you can even post here to ask such qns. you can actually google to find out and you will know much earlier also
 

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Do you mean NLV?

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/php/whiteLabel/Screens/Account_Information.htm
Definition of of Settled Cash can also be found within

all these can be found by googling what you actually asked about.

in terms of interest rate

also can be found on IBKR website.

https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/accounts/fees/pricing-interest-rates.php
tbh, like seriously. if you can even post here to ask such qns. you can actually google to find out and you will know much earlier also
Thank You. I will take a look.
 
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