i like to know why this thread is closed

[lyfeforce]

Okay, maybe I'll try to explain as why moderators sometimes feel the need to lock the thread after flushing the spammers. Every time, a spammer posts in an old thread, it gets pushed up and therefore pushing down the more current and/or relevant threads.

Spammers typically search for threads based on keywords of their own device and typically spam posts in those threads that turn up. Even if we ban that account, either the spammer creates another account to spam in those threads again, or one of the members continue to post complaining about the digger and pushing up the thread again. This is typically the reaction the spammer wants.

So to prevent that, it's a simple practice to lock aged threads, especially if they do not have content of substance.

@ radish: While you claim that the spammers are targeting your threads, some have claimed that it is you who created these spamming accounts to push up your own threads. Since we don't jump to conclusions based on those claims, I suggest that you don't jump to conclusions about the moderators.

So, we do ask the members to actively report these threads, as more eyes do help us in reducing the amount of spamming.

 

[radish]

well, i do not enjoy coming to this dark corner of the forum

if ppl claim i'm the troll spammer i'm sure u all can see the ip
and can verify the identity of the trouble maker

anyway why do i need to create a spam acc to dig my own threads
and come here ask u all to kill my acc?!
does it make any sense to u??????

i do up certain old threads when there are new content and theres still relevant interest
and in many cases once interest died off i will stop continuing it
i do not dig spam, my posting history in this forum is open for all to see isnt it?

i do not claim ppl targeting me, the links above are evidence of it isnt it,
1 is an incident, 2 is coincidence, 3, 4, a dozen threads again and again??

i do not jump into conclusions but i do raise speculations when the mods are silent over my queries
the few replies tat eventually came are always partially and selectively answered,
anyway i do not wish to pursue those further

sure certain threads may deem to have little content or substance but most traffic in edmw
ARE of this nature and it IS the very purpose of this particular subforum and the referees
are the mods who decide wats in wats out however when things should be in are out and out are in,
users will raise questions, at least take a second look b4 dropping the hammer

dont be too quick to brush off the users as u all always claim, u serve the community
but when help is required ...well, a lot of times, intervention come late and often easy way out taken,
like the nuking of threads, if there is infected paper cut on the arm we dont amputate the whole arm.
once ok twice ok but again and again?

few ppl will want to get into the bad bks of the mods, afterall u all have control of the board,
a click of a button and any user accounts can be canned foreverbut if things arent
going right esp in this case when its tied to my name, i have to voice out

i know mod contributions may not be made aware to the larger user community,
99 gd things done may gone unnoticed, and 1 not so gd thing happen and
bothersome users like me come make noise but do know where i'm coming from

i'm not here to challenge anyone, i'm here to seek help and i speak for myself,
i get enough troubles from trolls hounding me, thankfully there are mods who helped
and i said many many times publicly and privately, i fully, deeply, greatly appreciate
the gd work done by the mods seen or unseen

be open to listen to users, dont forget the helplessness u once felt when u were common users
i do recognize i'm a user of little content and substance but i'm not here to ruffle feathers,
i'm not here to argue, i'm not here to throw tantrum. i'm here to seek help,
to make things better for the forum and to recap my point again,

i just want u all to at least listen to me for the utmost time -
only kill the problematic user, dont create collateral damage

 

[lyfeforce]

I'm not sure if you understood. We will do what we feel is necessary to dampen the impact of spammers. If it means temporarily locking threads, it has to be done.

I don't know why you want to throw around the responsibilities moderators have as a "power". We want the forums to run smoothly, and we listen to all members' feedback where they are valid.

The continuity of threads is not our primary concern, that is the responsibility of the thread-starter or the regular contributors of that thread. If the last active post was 3 months or more, then it can considered as an aged thread. twinings has made some very valid points in his post.

 

[saysuzu]

lol wiating for flame war

 

[singaporeforce]

Boils down to the user registration, too lapse in controlling it. Some spammers could use old accs.pban the acc. If they yonna register another. Make it hard for them.

 

[twinings]

the problem here i feel isnt digging old threads so simple
if the digger(s) focus on certain user(s) or a certain type of thread(s)
this isnt random digging of old stuff, there is malicious intent involve

there are problematic ppl who found a way to influence/exploit the forum bec they realize
if they do things certain way, the mods will come in and destroy the threads

these diggers sacrifice a minute young new account can terminate
multiple threads tat may have thousand posts, isnt tat a gd deal?

honestly if u see old threads updated with new content is tat a bad thing?
or u prefer ppl create threads repeating on old content?!

and wat abt users who actually genuinely like certain threads to be updated
bec of personal interest, curiosity and bec of not mischief?
these ppl wont be digging a dozen threads at same time

again i humbly remind, kill the spamming digger not the threads they digging

In my opinion, I feel that you can always create a new thread if there's an update. It is rampant in edmw. It is way better than updating a six month old thread to prevent it from getting thrashed automatically. The vicious cycle continues as the life expectancy of the thread is lengthened again, preventing the system from carrying out its work.

If users genuinely love the specific thread to a large extent, they will be involved and picking up the onus to periodically maintain it. There are numerous threads on edmw that have mutliple parts where users actively kept it alive (i.e. the chen shao mao's thread, which till this day, I have no idea what is it about).

Although I do agree on the specific keyword search, but for the short term eradication of diggers, extereme measures have to be taken - as the end justify the means. You are not the only one affected by such measures, there are numerous other users whose threads are equally affected.

Personally, I don't mind my threads being locked to prevent it from being digged and stayed on the first page of EDMW with numerous outdated content from eons ago - keeping the first page fresh and "relevant" with respect to time.

Lastly, I do agree that HWZ should do something on user registration or something more effective to eradicate this problem once and for all.

 

[hotstuff4u]

can i suggest the admin to implement captcha for new users...

they have to type a captcha password before each new post..

maybe for new users first 10 post..

seriously doubt those bots can read captchas...

hope u guys can solve the issue soon

 

[radish]

if a thread have no forum interest it WILL be automatically and naturally be relegated
to the back by the heaps of new threads happening every minute

i'm saying do not lock and close any thread simply bec a spammer decide to spam dig it
in some case, relatively new threads tat are days old being upped which r then LOCKED
and CLOSED by mods in misguided effort to STOP the spammer

this policy is like u cut yr arm off bec u have a cut on yr finger
the spammer keeps returning doing the same thing bec he realize
he gets to press this button to make mods to end threads

the implication is the troublemaker is indirectly given power to terminate
any and every thread in the forum hence he keeps repeating his action

my personal grievance here is suppose i post a 100 pic thread tats closed
and theres a 1 new update, should i repost the 100 pics again on a new thread?
wont tat be too much effort?

and if the spammer strikes again and evidently this is wat he does,
and then the thread gets canned, do i repost it again and again every week?
wont tat be considered spamming the same content?

ultimately wat i want here isnt going to make forum worse in anyway.
it is to bring some order

In my opinion, I feel that you can always create a new thread if there's an update. It is rampant in edmw. It is way better than updating a six month old thread to prevent it from getting thrashed automatically. The vicious cycle continues as the life expectancy of the thread is lengthened again, preventing the system from carrying out its work.

If users genuinely love the specific thread to a large extent, they will be involved and picking up the onus to periodically maintain it. There are numerous threads on edmw that have mutliple parts where users actively kept it alive (i.e. the chen shao mao's thread, which till this day, I have no idea what is it about).

Although I do agree on the specific keyword search, but for the short term eradication of diggers, extereme measures have to be taken - as the end justify the means. You are not the only one affected by such measures, there are numerous other users whose threads are equally affected.

Personally, I don't mind my threads being locked to prevent it from being digged and stayed on the first page of EDMW with numerous outdated content from eons ago - keeping the first page fresh and "relevant" with respect to time.

Lastly, I do agree that HWZ should do something on user registration or something more effective to eradicate this problem once and for all.

 

[radish]

a captcha password for each new post will be too tedious to every user
the problem here we got certain disturbed individuals who insist in
recreating accounts to cause problem again and again

even with captcha does tat means the problematic person will stop?
afterall he/she/they have proven the willingess to spend the effort
to reregister a new acc every time the old acc gets canned
and incidentally canning of threads didnt stop the spammer too

the root solution is to make it more stringent in registering new accounts
i'm sure hwz and sph have enough smart ppl and resources to work something out if they have the will for it

this is actually a much bigger issue tats go beyond the context of this present thread
which is on stopping collateral damage - closing of any and every threads as spammer control measure

can i suggest the admin to implement captcha for new users...

they have to type a captcha password before each new post..

maybe for new users first 10 post..

seriously doubt those bots can read captchas...

hope u guys can solve the issue soon

 

[hotstuff4u]

but radish ah..the bumper is a bot..it does not know how to read or write additional captcha password rite?!

n then it is for new user for their first 10 post mah...maybe make it 20 or more until they reached a higher level mbr status.....regular users like u n me r not affected wat...

 

[radish]

i totally agree on limiting new users posts but i think we need some refinement on the rules
as u proposed compulsary captcha requirement for users below xxx number of posts is a gd idea

hwz have been listening to users like 2fa and mobile authentication
maybe more work is need on multiple same content being posted
by same ip and on pbanning by identifying unique mac address filtering?
i'm sure some of these already is being implemented just need further refinement

for all u know spamers maybe trying to help make the place more lively
spamming will always occur, it cannot be totally eradicated,
strange ppl do it for any reasons, maybe for malicious fun
maybe they are bored or maybe simply bec they can do it
in any case i feel more should be done to discourage spamming

this spamming subject is a mega topic i think we can create another thread to discuss
perhaps make it open for the whole forum to participate, to brainstorm a solution

 

[tiredman]

Personally i don't see a reason why mod cannot lock a thread if it is being dig by others n that very ts never show intersest of updating the thread they made ..

How much time frame shall we give to that ts to shows that they have interest in maintaining that threads they made ?? As a user here if my threads are being dig by diggers I don't even mind that it is being deleted by mods at all .. We come here to pcw instead of get irritated by diggers sometimes even pcw in the middle if the night we still have to endure such nonsense ...

I believe it's ok that we respect the thread not to be locked but in the condition that there must be a agreeable time frame to show the ts that he or she is Intersted in maintaining that thread

Other wise I could have requests mod to give me back the very 1st thread I started over here in the name of I will "maintain it "

 

[radish]

once again i find multiple of my threads being locked and closed
once again i feel my confidence in hwz mods seems to be misplaced

is this the best way to stop diggers or spammers?
if they started the threads they can canned its of cos deserving
but if they are harassing other ppl's threads... then how does it work?!

does it means they see their fav victim thread is gone,
they will just go quietly into the night?

no, they will return and attack other threads and if this cycle repeats
...does it means they have indirect power to terminate any threads in the forum?

i was told my threads will be temporary locked and will be reopened
but i observe for quite a while tat few have been closed and forgotten

if a thread receive no more public interest, it will naturally be relegated,
even if spammer keep upping, it will still be displaced bec of the enormous forum thread volume

my take is as long a thread is deem within limits of forum regulations
let the forum have free market to decide whether a thread should be remain or be gone forever

 

[Soule]

I second that old threads who have been dug out should be closed - let old dogs lie.

If there is anything new to update, just post something new with a link to the old thread for reference...

 

[radish]

the thing here is not abt keeping old threads dead or alive
its a lot more to this if u all can see the implications

its abt prematured artificial intervention vs natural relegation
and the non standardized mods action across the board

how much and wat kind of control is require in this forum
there should be no need to artificially prune the threads as long they are within forum regulations

a old thread with no more public interest will die off on its own
even a digger keeps upping it everyday can not and will not be able
to keep the thread up against the tide of new content threads happening every second

the issue here is closing threads is used as a short cut solution in hope to stop diggers
problem here is the threads may not be started by the diggers and the threads may still have relevant public interest

instead of stop diggers only, the implicated threads are also canned which is unfair
bec this is indirectly giving these diggers power to influence the board

lets say he dont like a person he keep digging his threads, does it means all victim's threads should be locked and closed?
will this discourage or encourage the digger? I bet he is looking at this and is laughing now

note here again we are not talking abt keeping old threads alive forever
bec eventually they will roll off and be archived, btw wats the definition of old threads?!
day old week old month year old???!!?

the saddest thing is i'm fighting for a better forum yet seems many dont seems to understd wat i'm talking abt,
rem today it maybe my thread, tomorrow it maybe yours