i7-6700 vs i5-8400

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Gonna be getting Alienware Aurora R7 that is on promotion.
But cpu is 8th gen i5-8400, while I’m currently using 6th gen i7-6700..
Is it considered a downgrade :/

For the same price as the Alienware, Dell XPS tower comes with i7-8700 though, but graphics card is GT-1030 instead of GTX-1070 :/
 

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Gonna be getting Alienware Aurora R7 that is on promotion.
But cpu is 8th gen i5-8400, while I’m currently using 6th gen i7-6700..
Is it considered a downgrade :/

For the same price as the Alienware, Dell XPS tower comes with i7-8700 though, but graphics card is GT-1030 instead of GTX-1070 :/
It is considering a sidestep into Roswell area

Don't bother
Similar performance....
 

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Gonna be getting Alienware Aurora R7 that is on promotion.
But cpu is 8th gen i5-8400, while I’m currently using 6th gen i7-6700..
Is it considered a downgrade :/

For the same price as the Alienware, Dell XPS tower comes with i7-8700 though, but graphics card is GT-1030 instead of GTX-1070 :/

i mean... even with the i5.. a gtx 1070 vs a gt 1030 is a no brainer right..?
 

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Don't look at the i5 i7 marketing speak. Just look at the benchmark numbers

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8400/3515vs3939

Average increase is 16%

The GT1030 is a joke though. Since you're gonna play games, the processor hardly matter. Just get the cheapest with the highest clocks.

Actually just buy the 1070 and put into your machine. Cheapest andost effective optionn
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Alot of manufacturers slap on a 1030 and label it as an ULTIMATE Gaming Pc
They just don't list the games it can play >60fps....
 

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I don't think it is a upgrade nor downgrade. Most games don't scale well with anything more than 4 cores now anyway, so I think you can just forget about changing the processor and instead just upgrade the GPU.
 

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Alot of manufacturers slap on a 1030 and label it as an ULTIMATE Gaming Pc
They just don't list the games it can play >60fps....

Actually, interested to know, which manufacturers actually use a 1030 and call it a ultimate gaming pc?
 

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Thanks for the advice.
Just checked out the price lists and found that GTX-1070 (8GB GDDR5) is in the range of ~$900? :eek:

How did Alienware manage to put that into a $1,599 machine (along with latest gen cpu)?
They have a lower cost price of course, but they could have priced the PC higher?
 
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1070 seems to be around the range of 700-800 (based on PcThemes pricelist dated 24th), which pricelist were you looking at tho :s31:

Thanks for the advice.
Just checked out the price lists and found that GTX-1070 (8GB GDDR5) is in the range of ~$900? :eek:

How did Alienware manage to put that into a $1,599 machine (along with latest gen cpu)?
They have a lower cost price of course, but they could have priced the PC higher?
 

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Looked at bizgram’s... maybe a little outdated since I downloaded it 1-2 weeks ago but still, 700-800 is like 50% of entire system price O_O

Seldom see 1070 in ~$1.6k systems though
 

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Thanks for the advice.
Just checked out the price lists and found that GTX-1070 (8GB GDDR5) is in the range of ~$900? :eek:

How did Alienware manage to put that into a $1,599 machine (along with latest gen cpu)?
They have a lower cost price of course, but they could have priced the PC higher?

coz 900 is inflated cost. Alienware, being a big pc builder, is able to bulk order the 1070s at or less than MSRP. FYI, msrp for 1070s are 379usd which is around 496.94 sgd based on google finance's rates. :s22::s22:

Now u know why people are so angry with the whole mining fiasco, local distros/retailers and especially scalpers?
 

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coz 900 is inflated cost. Alienware, being a big pc builder, is able to bulk order the 1070s at or less than MSRP. FYI, msrp for 1070s are 379usd which is around 496.94 sgd based on google finance's rates. :s22::s22:

Now u know why people are so angry with the whole mining fiasco, local distros/retailers and especially scalpers?
Both retailers AND distributors are also subject to price surges
Both are companies whose sole objective is to make a profit not a non-profit or charitable organisations

This is simply the laws of a FREE market in play
The GPU market is not such a controlled market so supply and demand applies
When supply is limited and demand is enormous, Prices are bound to go up.

Both retailers and distributors work on margins.
Retailers act on distributors and distributors act on manufacturer's pricings

Retailers are the ones that are like the middle income. Squeezed on all sides
End users want them to lower price but why should the retailers lower the price below their cost?

When retailers lower cost, it is just transferring happiness from one entity to another
End user is Happy
Retailer is not happy.
Those that lower alot, end up having no stock.

And in the early days fake customers existed who tried to buy sympathy votes with retailers. When retailer gave in, the real deal showed their horns.

If you don't want to see such surges happening, go make the GPU market a controlled, regulated one. Then it will rise only when the regulator wants it to rise.
 
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That I agree. We do see more 1060 in a $1500 build rather than a 1070. But the Alienware seems like a steal :s7:

Looked at bizgram’s... maybe a little outdated since I downloaded it 1-2 weeks ago but still, 700-800 is like 50% of entire system price O_O

Seldom see 1070 in ~$1.6k systems though
 

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Both retailers AND distributors are also subject to price surges
Both are companies whose sole objective is to make a profit not a non-profit or charitable organisations

This is simply the laws of a FREE market in play
The GPU market is not such a controlled market so supply and demand applies
When supply is limited and demand is enormous, Prices are bound to go up.

Both retailers and distributors work on margins.
Retailers act on distributors and distributors act on manufacturer's pricings

Retailers are the ones that are like the middle income. Squeezed on all sides
End users want them to lower price but why should the retailers lower the price below their cost?

When retailers lower cost, it is just transferring happiness from one entity to another
End user is Happy
Retailer is not happy.
Those that lower alot, end up having no stock.

And in the early days fake customers existed who tried to buy sympathy votes with retailers. When retailer gave in, the real deal showed their horns.

If you don't want to see such surges happening, go make the GPU market a controlled, regulated one. Then it will rise only when the regulator wants it to rise.

Its just a matter of perspective. Sure, you can say that its free market at work and i agree. Free market, they can set their prices at what the market can afford to pay. If you cant pay, u walk away.

What you stated was from a viewpoint of a retailer/distro. However that doesnt mean that consumers cannot have the rights to be angry at paying so much more for the same product. Additionally, it also doesnt change the fact that people have been unsatisfied with local distro prices since amazon has become a thing and local gamers has been hit really hard especially :s22: coupled with some retailers claiming no stock but selling in bulks of 100 or 200 pieces on carousel to the highest bidder.

Back to my original post, im just illustrating the situation as it is and why people are angry with the whole debacle so please calm down. Whether is it the distro or retailer that is setting these high prices, i don't know and frankly, the average joe doesnt care. But since other pc builders like alienware/aftershock/dreamcore can offer relatively a much affordable pricing, you cant blame me for being skeptical.
 
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Confirmed or not? So end of the day it is nvidia and amd jacking up their prices?

Reddit claimed that nvidia and amd arent the one jacking up prices. So ppl speculate that its either the AIB or the distros playing the demand & supply game.
 

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Gonna be getting Alienware Aurora R7 that is on promotion.
But cpu is 8th gen i5-8400, while I’m currently using 6th gen i7-6700..
Is it considered a downgrade :/

For the same price as the Alienware, Dell XPS tower comes with i7-8700 though, but graphics card is GT-1030 instead of GTX-1070 :/

Get the one with gtx1070 if you can tahan HDD load speeds. For most games right now, 4 cores is still more than adequate. Besides you will still have hyper threading.
 

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Sry noob qn, am tempted to buy this. Anything I should take note of? Am a newbie when it comes to DYI pc builds.

Also, able to mount https://www.asus.com/sg/Networking/PCE-AC88/ on it? tks in adv!!

You referring to the Alienware? If yes then I would say it's a great buy for CURRENT gpu prices if you are doing a complete new build @ 1.5k. However, with the current gpu market seemingly on a downtrend, i would wait if I were you
 

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Sry noob qn, am tempted to buy this. Anything I should take note of? Am a newbie when it comes to DYI pc builds.

Also, able to mount https://www.asus.com/sg/Networking/PCE-AC88/ on it? tks in adv!!

Check the review pics from below link. You should still have 1 pci e slot free but need to worry about heat dissipation.

https://www.computershopper.com/desktops/reviews/alienware-aurora-r7
 
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