Not saying Chinese developer are all unsafe but to keep them safe, 150% vigilant checking on what they do. Otherwise, consequences will be very serious.
The person who posted this is Desmond Shum, a very successful and rich property developer. He has experience on the ground working with Chinese property developers.
“Trust but verify”? Not in China. Try: Never trust, always verify. So here’s what happened: During the recent Myanmar earthquake, a 33-story skyscraper in Bangkok suddenly decided to sit down (video attached) — permanently. This wasn’t some random building; it was the future home of Thailand’s Office of the Auditor General. Yes, the office in charge of checking that public money isn’t going up in smoke — or in this case, going down in rubble. It was the only high-rise in the city that collapsed, and Thai authorities are now scrambling to investigate what went wrong — construction quality, materials, earthquake resilience, the whole checklist. Now, allow me to offer a theory. As a former developer in China, I’ve worked with many Chinese builders— including China Railway Sixth, a close sibling of the company behind the Bangkok disaster, China Railway Tenth. I’ve seen this movie before, many times. And if there’s one rule that seasoned Chinese developers live by, it’s this: Every builder is guilty and there’s no exception. The only question is how to minimize the damage. In China, we owners don’t “collaborate” with builders — we shadow them like paranoid detectives. We have full in-house teams mirroring every function: site management, costing, engineering, architecture, etc…. Why? Because the minute you turn your back, someone’s bribing your staff, cutting corners, or quietly replacing steel with tofu. It’s not cynicism — it’s standard procedure. Trust isn’t just scarce — it’s a liability. Now contrast that with what happens in law-abiding societies. There, owners believe in contracts. They trust their builders. There’s good faith, accountability, and even — bless them — handshakes. So when a foreign owner from one of these trusting lands hires a Chinese builder without the paranoia goggles on? Well, this time the result wasn’t just a few cost overruns or dodgy plumbing. The whole damn building collapsed. And that, my friends, is what happens when you drop guanxi into a rule-of-law system — it short-circuits on contact, or in this case, collapses on site.
Not saying Chinese developer are all unsafe but to keep them safe, 150% vigilant checking on what they do. Otherwise, consequences will be very serious.
The person who posted this is Desmond Shum, a very successful and rich property developer. He has experience on the ground working with Chinese property developers.
“Trust but verify”? Not in China. Try: Never trust, always verify. So here’s what happened: During the recent Myanmar earthquake, a 33-story skyscraper in Bangkok suddenly decided to sit down (video attached) — permanently. This wasn’t some random building; it was the future home of Thailand’s Office of the Auditor General. Yes, the office in charge of checking that public money isn’t going up in smoke — or in this case, going down in rubble. It was the only high-rise in the city that collapsed, and Thai authorities are now scrambling to investigate what went wrong — construction quality, materials, earthquake resilience, the whole checklist. Now, allow me to offer a theory. As a former developer in China, I’ve worked with many Chinese builders— including China Railway Sixth, a close sibling of the company behind the Bangkok disaster, China Railway Tenth. I’ve seen this movie before, many times. And if there’s one rule that seasoned Chinese developers live by, it’s this: Every builder is guilty and there’s no exception. The only question is how to minimize the damage. In China, we owners don’t “collaborate” with builders — we shadow them like paranoid detectives. We have full in-house teams mirroring every function: site management, costing, engineering, architecture, etc…. Why? Because the minute you turn your back, someone’s bribing your staff, cutting corners, or quietly replacing steel with tofu. It’s not cynicism — it’s standard procedure. Trust isn’t just scarce — it’s a liability. Now contrast that with what happens in law-abiding societies. There, owners believe in contracts. They trust their builders. There’s good faith, accountability, and even — bless them — handshakes. So when a foreign owner from one of these trusting lands hires a Chinese builder without the paranoia goggles on? Well, this time the result wasn’t just a few cost overruns or dodgy plumbing. The whole damn building collapsed. And that, my friends, is what happens when you drop guanxi into a rule-of-law system — it short-circuits on contact, or in this case, collapses on site.
Of course if builder build according to specs, not right to blame builder lah.TS, if builder follow approved drawings exactly to every inch, shall the builder responsible ?
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I am sick people dunt do research and type,
building process
1. all involved professionals, architect , structural engineer , M nd E eng etc design the building according to Thai government building code, then govt approve, then builder build according to drawings.
2. pl dunt anyhow blame builder, unless evidence show otherwise,
3. Thal interior minister just blame everyone, but not review if the building code can sustain earthquake..
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/world/story20250330-6093897
Anutin said the investigation will focus on the architect, construction supervisor and builder. The Thai and Chinese sides of the builder must be held accountable. He also said rescuers were working to rescue the trapped victims.
阿努廷说,调查将集中在建筑师、施工监理和建筑商身上。建筑商的泰国和中国方面必须承担责任。他还说,救援人员正努力营救被困受害者
Thai Home affairs Minister draws conclusion before investigationTS, if builder follow approved drawings exactly to every inch, shall the builder responsible ?
2.
I am sick people dunt do research and type,
building process
1. all involved professionals, architect , structural engineer , M nd E eng etc design the building according to Thai government building code, then govt approve, then builder build according to drawings.
2. pl dunt anyhow blame builder, unless evidence show otherwise,
3. Thal interior minister just blame everyone, but not review if the building code can sustain earthquake..
https://www.zaobao.com.sg/realtime/world/story20250330-6093897
Anutin said the investigation will focus on the architect, construction supervisor and builder. The Thai and Chinese sides of the builder must be held accountable. He also said rescuers were working to rescue the trapped victims.
阿努廷说,调查将集中在建筑师、施工监理和建筑商身上。建筑商的泰国和中国方面必须承担责任。他还说,救援人员正努力营救被困受害者
you thread already hint PRC builders not reliable. full stop.. why put such thread?Of course if builder build according to specs, not right to blame builder lah.
Read my message carefully first. I am sick of people who dunt read properly, then anyhow type
I said must "150% vigilant checking on what they do." to ensure that they build according to specs. If don't check, builder may cut costs, don't follow specs and give sub-standard building. This is what I mean, not blame builder even if he builds according to specs when tragedies happen.
will someone ask in parliament?
I think TS is doing Singaporeans a favor by recommending more stringent checks by HDB when contracting to Chinese developers. Don't see what's wrong with that. It's responsible attitude towards safety of Singaporeans, given what has happened.you thread already hint PRC builders not reliable. full stop.. why put such thread?
If HDB is using Chinese developer, please read what happened to Bangkok skyscraper. Read liao damn scared
Till today I have no clue wtf the scholar was thinking with a bomb shelter in every home.Our buildings are not designed for earthquakes, unlike those in Japan and Taiwan.
Not worth being too KS. Hopefully the bomb shelter will be sufficient.
Not saying Chinese developer are all unsafe but to keep them safe, 150% vigilant checking on what they do. Otherwise, consequences will be very serious.
The person who posted this is Desmond Shum, a very successful and rich property developer. He has experience on the ground working with Chinese property developers.
“Trust but verify”? Not in China. Try: Never trust, always verify. So here’s what happened: During the recent Myanmar earthquake, a 33-story skyscraper in Bangkok suddenly decided to sit down (video attached) — permanently. This wasn’t some random building; it was the future home of Thailand’s Office of the Auditor General. Yes, the office in charge of checking that public money isn’t going up in smoke — or in this case, going down in rubble. It was the only high-rise in the city that collapsed, and Thai authorities are now scrambling to investigate what went wrong — construction quality, materials, earthquake resilience, the whole checklist. Now, allow me to offer a theory. As a former developer in China, I’ve worked with many Chinese builders— including China Railway Sixth, a close sibling of the company behind the Bangkok disaster, China Railway Tenth. I’ve seen this movie before, many times. And if there’s one rule that seasoned Chinese developers live by, it’s this: Every builder is guilty and there’s no exception. The only question is how to minimize the damage. In China, we owners don’t “collaborate” with builders — we shadow them like paranoid detectives. We have full in-house teams mirroring every function: site management, costing, engineering, architecture, etc…. Why? Because the minute you turn your back, someone’s bribing your staff, cutting corners, or quietly replacing steel with tofu. It’s not cynicism — it’s standard procedure. Trust isn’t just scarce — it’s a liability. Now contrast that with what happens in law-abiding societies. There, owners believe in contracts. They trust their builders. There’s good faith, accountability, and even — bless them — handshakes. So when a foreign owner from one of these trusting lands hires a Chinese builder without the paranoia goggles on? Well, this time the result wasn’t just a few cost overruns or dodgy plumbing. The whole damn building collapsed. And that, my friends, is what happens when you drop guanxi into a rule-of-law system — it short-circuits on contact, or in this case, collapses on site.
Of course if builder build according to specs, not right to blame builder lah.
Read my message carefully first. I am sick of people who dunt read properly, then anyhow type
I said must "150% vigilant checking on what they do." to ensure that they build according to specs. If don't check, builder may cut costs, don't follow specs and give sub-standard building. This is what I mean, not blame builder even if he builds according to specs when tragedies happen.
Means all other buildings under construction hv?what i understood that, this project was not given extra budget to build for earthquake resistance.
you quote a developer for what ?Of course if builder build according to specs, not right to blame builder lah.
Read my message carefully first. I am sick of people who dunt read properly, then anyhow type
I said must "150% vigilant checking on what they do." to ensure that they build according to specs. If don't check, builder may cut costs, don't follow specs and give sub-standard building. This is what I mean, not anyhow blame builder.
Becos hdb quantity more than condos? So more will be affected if anything untoward happens.How come only target hdb? Condos no have Chinese developer meh
pure discrimination.I think TS is doing Singaporeans a favor by recommending more stringent checks by HDB when contracting to Chinese developers. Don't see what's wrong with that. It's responsible attitude towards safety of Singaporeans, given what has happened.
Why you so sensitive? You working for Chinese developer?![]()
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