If HDB is using Chinese developer, please read what happened to Bangkok skyscraper. Read liao damn scared

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Bbfas reasoning here is want cheap want good want big mangoes.
Ask them how to do they dunno but they feel entitled cos born sinkie :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 

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I only worry on the materials they use. In my industry big mnc jitao ban china material. I buy and tested china material before .One time is despite they send you the correct material certificate, they send the cheaper material. Other time is the material composition, the most expensive element is bare minimum or less then specs.

On paper all look fine with their own actual qc check and traceability. Take the material go test then will know why its cheaper then western materials.
 

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Sexpert here. NOT all buildings here are build to withstand Seismic activity levels of Japan given that SIngapore (and also Msia) are location on the main Sundaland Shelf and not at the edge.
You can opt for seismic safe houses BUT ARE U WILLING TO PAY?
The other way you can mitigate is to search for housing that are either low, or on strong bedrock.
Stay away from newly reclaimed land where the land is not given enough time to settled eg FOREST CITY

Layman here, this building is certainly regulated under a minimum standardl, it's tall over 100m and a public building. Even on the minimum of the minimum standard it shouldn't fall. Thai people designed it, the building method used is never suitable for such work so they're to be blamed the most
 

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Layman here, this building is certainly regulated under a minimum standardl, it's tall over 100m and a public building. Even on the minimum of the minimum standard it shouldn't fall. Thai people designed it, the building method used is never suitable for such work so they're to be blamed the most

Is this the only building in Thailand that uses such a building method?

It is the only building that collapse.
 

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Is this the only building in Thailand that uses such a building method?

It is the only building that collapse.

I think yes, it's Lego type of building method. It's never going that tall maybe except this one.
 

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I think yes, it's Lego type of building method. It's never going that tall maybe except this one.

I won’t just think and assume

I’ll just see how things unfold, whether it was reported by bbc, thai media or others

A lot of things are not supposed to happen, doesn’t mean they won’t. After all the building did collapse and everything before that will be called fear mongering
 

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I only worry on the materials they use. In my industry big mnc jitao ban china material. I buy and tested china material before .One time is despite they send you the correct material certificate, they send the cheaper material. Other time is the material composition, the most expensive element is bare minimum or less then specs.

On paper all look fine with their own actual qc check and traceability. Take the material go test then will know why its cheaper then western materials.
Moi recall seeing a marble table top thrown away and was curious why the owner didn’t want it. Turns out it was torn at some parts revealing white powdery material with only a thin marble-like covering.
 

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SINGAPORE: An upcoming Build-to-Order (BTO) project in Tengah town will feature "beamless" flats providing more headroom and flexibility to configure layouts, as part of an initiative by the Housing and Development Board (HDB) to pilot the latest construction technologies.

Under HDB's Construction Transformation Project, Garden Waterfront I and II @ Tengah - which will be launched in the November 2022 sales exercise - will adopt a slew of innovations in its design, fabrication and construction of about 2,000 units.
Even hdb trying cost cutting ways to maximise profits. Jungle land that was at no cost of land acquisition compensation yet charge so high.

I still trust the old construction method, slow but sturdy. Look at those old colonial buildings, almost a 100 years and still standing strong.

Those lego like BTO construction, I suspect some hard shaking will dislodge or break the bolts holding them down. Once the pieces are out of place, we'll see a repeat of the Thai building.
 

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The fact that Singapore is not at risk of earthquakes, these China developers will definitely cut corners. I don't know how much scrutiny the authorities exercise on property developers going by the defects new owners post online, it's a matter of time before we find out how wonderful their structural integrity is.
 

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Even hdb trying cost cutting ways to maximise profits. Jungle land that was at no cost of land acquisition compensation yet charge so high.

I still trust the old construction method, slow but sturdy. Look at those old colonial buildings, almost a 100 years and still standing strong.

Those lego like BTO construction, I suspect some hard shaking will dislodge or break the bolts holding them down. Once the pieces are out of place, we'll see a repeat of the Thai building.

If not designed to withstand severe earthquake means it will collapse if at epicenter of 7.7, but will still withstand a lower magnitude
 

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Not saying Chinese developer are all unsafe but to keep them safe, 150% vigilant checking on what they do. Otherwise, consequences will be very serious.

The person who posted this is Desmond Shum, a very successful and rich property developer. He has experience on the ground working with Chinese property developers.


“Trust but verify”? Not in China. Try: Never trust, always verify. So here’s what happened: During the recent Myanmar earthquake, a 33-story skyscraper in Bangkok suddenly decided to sit down (video attached) — permanently. This wasn’t some random building; it was the future home of Thailand’s Office of the Auditor General. Yes, the office in charge of checking that public money isn’t going up in smoke — or in this case, going down in rubble. It was the only high-rise in the city that collapsed, and Thai authorities are now scrambling to investigate what went wrong — construction quality, materials, earthquake resilience, the whole checklist. Now, allow me to offer a theory. As a former developer in China, I’ve worked with many Chinese builders— including China Railway Sixth, a close sibling of the company behind the Bangkok disaster, China Railway Tenth. I’ve seen this movie before, many times. And if there’s one rule that seasoned Chinese developers live by, it’s this: Every builder is guilty and there’s no exception. The only question is how to minimize the damage. In China, we owners don’t “collaborate” with builders — we shadow them like paranoid detectives. We have full in-house teams mirroring every function: site management, costing, engineering, architecture, etc…. Why? Because the minute you turn your back, someone’s bribing your staff, cutting corners, or quietly replacing steel with tofu. It’s not cynicism — it’s standard procedure. Trust isn’t just scarce — it’s a liability. Now contrast that with what happens in law-abiding societies. There, owners believe in contracts. They trust their builders. There’s good faith, accountability, and even — bless them — handshakes. So when a foreign owner from one of these trusting lands hires a Chinese builder without the paranoia goggles on? Well, this time the result wasn’t just a few cost overruns or dodgy plumbing. The whole damn building collapsed. And that, my friends, is what happens when you drop guanxi into a rule-of-law system — it short-circuits on contact, or in this case, collapses on site.

Most bto projects are china and local joint venture.
So how?
 
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