if reborn as human is so hard, where does the recent souls came from ?

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I absolutely agree with you, truth transcends everything. There were speculations that Christ ventured to India and became a Buddhist before returning to Jerusalem. To me it doesnt matter at all even if its true. My faith doesnt change a bit.

Yes, I watched the BBC documentary show. Jesus actually survived and escaped to Kashmir. It means that resurrection of Jesus is a Christ belief. Also his teachings have some similarity to Buddhism, and it is believed he was a Buddhist monk.
 

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It has often been said that there are dangers to meditation such as being exposed to supernatural forces or even possession in serious case. How does one ensure safety during meditation especially for non Buddhist practioners? I mentioned Buddhist practioners cos im assuming chanting or Buddhist precepts have been incorporated in their meditations but how about secular practioners? What are the safety meaures available for non religious people?
Imo, to my understanding. it’s very rare and if it happened,
You can just ignore any imaginary ( phenomena) and focus back on the meditation object. Often times, when this happened is either one dream ( slept during) or one have achieve deep samadhi.

if it’s the later, you are already equipped with equanimity (factor of 4th jhana), that ought to protect you from any harm should you encountered any phenomenas.

The other way to prevent this from happening is to uphold precepts ( you don’t need to be religious to uphold precepts, it’s just normal moral guidelines). Bad deeds often have a weak to strong imprint in our subconscious ( depending on the severity ), these may come back to haunt us or disturb us.

another way is to do a lot of good deeds, these ought to create a balance so that the past deeds have lesser chances to haunt us.

Another way is to Share your merits, meditation can generate merits. These merits can be shared with all beings, be it visible or invisible.
These ought to create a good psychological health that ought to help to lessen those that you mentioned

another way is to repent so that the past deeds can be let go

having said that whatever past deeds may resurface or brought up again during meditation, if we are in tranquility and having one pointedness, we will be able to investigate and let go of them.

if the imaginary is persistent( appears every single time you meditate), you may need to find a teacher to guide you instead.
 

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TS u r assuming reincarnation is linear and follows the flow of time....what if it doesn't have to be linear? Maybe u can be reborn in the past in the next life...


True. About the Essence of the story. Life is a cycle. YOU are here to create. You are EVERYWHERE. We are all connected.
 

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I know what you mean but i do not quite agree with the concept of 'no self' in Buddhism.
The concept is not that difficult to understand actually.

just ask yourself these questions.
can you think only happy thoughts?
can you think only bad thoughts?
can you feel happy all the time?
can you feel unhappy all the time?

and you should see that these things appear independent of our wish. In short, out of our controls.

so who is thinking actually or who is feeling?

these are not important, we just need to know that these aren’t us and we can stop identifying with them.
 

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I absolutely agree with you, truth transcends everything. There were speculations that Christ ventured to India and became a Buddhist before returning to Jerusalem. To me it doesnt matter at all even if its true. My faith doesnt change a bit.
I once met a very wise man. He said all religions are not that much difference. it’s just they were taught to different people with different cultures at different era and places so their teaching are tailored.

Just food for thoughts.
 

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I once met a very wise man. He said all religions are not that much difference. it’s just they were taught to different people with different cultures at different era and places so their teaching are tailored.

Just food for thoughts.
Religions is your 'EGO'. There is no 'I' but 'US/WE'. We are all connected.
 

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Religions is your 'EGO'. There is no 'I' but 'US/WE'. We are all connected.
The story is actually just to paint a picture of how religions are perhaps distributed in different era and may point to the possibility of them being the same thing but tailored to different eras, cultures etc.
 

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Imo, to my understanding. it’s very rare and if it happened,
You can just ignore any imaginary ( phenomena) and focus back on the meditation object. Often times, when this happened is either one dream ( slept during) or one have achieve deep samadhi.

if it’s the later, you are already equipped with equanimity (factor of 4th jhana), that ought to protect you from any harm should you encountered any phenomenas.

The other way to prevent this from happening is to uphold precepts ( you don’t need to be religious to uphold precepts, it’s just normal moral guidelines). Bad deeds often have a weak to strong imprint in our subconscious ( depending on the severity ), these may come back to haunt us or disturb us.

another way is to do a lot of good deeds, these ought to create a balance so that the past deeds have lesser chances to haunt us.

Another way is to Share your merits, meditation can generate merits. These merits can be shared with all beings, be it visible or invisible.
These ought to create a good psychological health that ought to help to lessen those that you mentioned

another way is to repent so that the past deeds can be let go

having said that whatever past deeds may resurface or brought up again during meditation, if we are in tranquility and having one pointedness, we will be able to investigate and let go of them.

if the imaginary is persistent( appears every single time you meditate), you may need to find a teacher to guide you instead.
Those are all tests and trials to strengthen your own faith in whatever your belief. One who has overcome it is like being fearless to your belief of good and evil. Your faith would be stronger and you would become more enlightened in your path and believe for truth as a human.

You are here to do good deeds and create in life.
 

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The story is actually just to paint a picture of how religions are perhaps distributed in different era and may point to the possibility of them being the same thing but tailored to different eras, cultures etc.
All of you and us came from the same source before you are here.
 

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The concept is not that difficult to understand actually.

just ask yourself these questions.
can you think only happy thoughts?
can you think only bad thoughts?
can you feel happy all the time?
can you feel unhappy all the time?

and you should see that these things appear independent of our wish. In short, out of our controls.

so who is thinking actually or who is feeling?

these are not important, we just need to know that these aren’t us and we can stop identifying with them.
How would you see yourselves now knowing that you came from your mother and father, and your parents came from their parents. Would you say you are you and your thoughts are your own thoughts. See them in your mind. Is that your own thoughts or US?
 

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Those are all tests and trials to strengthen your own faith in whatever your belief. One who has overcome it is like being fearless to your belief of good and evil. Your faith would be stronger and you would become more enlightened in your path and believe for truth as a human.

You are here to do good deeds and create in life.
Yup, we can cal them tests or trials too because they are in a way.

You are here to do good deeds and create in life.
There is a saying,
first do good deeds and abandon bad deeds.
And lastly, abandon both good and bad.

In Buddhism at least, that is the path towards unbinding and nibanna.
 

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How would you see yourselves now knowing that you came from your mother and father, and your parents came from their parents. Would you say you are you and your thoughts are your own thoughts. See them in your mind. Is that your own thoughts or US?
That’s profound indeed. I don’t think I have an answer to your question. 😬
 

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That’s profound indeed. I don’t think I have an answer to your question. 😬
Go and just turn on your TV without going into any channel now. What you see is energy with so numerous tiny lights. Now imagine they are all around you. Now imagine you go into that world in your tv screen. You become one of them. Then you choose one of those tiny speck of light. What will you see?

Now, you take the tv controller, select a channel. What do you see then...

We are all connected...
 
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