If SLA does not permit encroachment on public land, why town council is laxed on encroachment into common area?

[Lemonpeach]

Just visited my sister in a HDB estate.

Several cases of hoarders or big families store or leave their spare furniture or collected items in staircase, common corridors.

We all seen many images of such hoarding and encroachment in the media.

Why this type of issue recur over and over again?

Incompetent town council and estate officers?
MPs and town councils fearful of hoarders who might kick a fuss or kill themselves?
Attract unneeded publicity?

When I made a report on private housing encroachment into public land recently, the appearance on-site and resolution was fast and furious.

But in HDB, town council adopts persuade, influence, mediation, counselling approaches.

My sis complained many times, but there is no absolute resolution in sight.

"Try to be understanding", "Family is not doing well", "Give them more time", etc are the response of town council.

I wonder if private dwellings owners are easier to pressure and adopt enforcement actions?

 

[Philipkee]

Just visited my sister in a HDB estate.

Several cases of hoarders or big families store or leave their spare furniture or collected items in staircase, common corridors.

We all seen many images of such hoarding and encroachment in the media.

Why this type of issue recur over and over again?

Incompetent town council and estate officers?
MPs and town councils fearful of hoarders who might kick a fuss or kill themselves?
Attract unneeded publicity?

When I made a report on private housing encroachment into public land recently, the appearance on-site and resolution was fast and furious.

But in HDB, town council adopts persuade, influence, mediation, counselling approaches.

My sis complained many times, but there is no absolute resolution in sight.

"Try to be understanding", "Family is not doing well", "Give them more time", etc are the response of town council.

I wonder if private dwellings owners are easier to pressure and adopt enforcement actions?

I think it’s different

Private dwelling encroachment - they might be staking a claim to that land. While the law on adverse ownership is repealed, it still needs to be nipped in the bud. Also the encroachment tend to be permanent structures. I don’t think any action is taken against flower pots outside the gates of the houses only maybe illegal parking

Public dwelling encroachment - there is no claim of ownership of that land so it’s like “close one eye”. If let’s suddenly the person decided build a gate along the corridor (let’s say corner flat) as if declaring this part of the corridor is his, i think town council will act very fast

 

[0nePunchm@n]

scared of lose vote?

 

[Lemonpeach]

I think it’s different

Private dwelling encroachment - they might be staking a claim to that land. While the law on adverse ownership is repealed, it still needs to be nipped in the bud. Also the encroachment tend to be permanent structures. I don’t think any action is taken against flower pots outside the gates of the houses only maybe illegal parking

Public dwelling encroachment - there is no claim of ownership of that land so it’s like “close one eye”. If let’s suddenly the person decided build a gate along the corridor (let’s say corner flat) as if declaring this part of the corridor is his, i think town council will act very fast

Ok. I can stack my spare furnitures, moving boxes and extras outside my main gate, on the walk pavement. This is the same "overflow" as in HDB. If SLA, LTA, NParks, NEA, enforce against me, I will tell them go fly kite.

 

[tomsss]

SLA is different from HDB mah

it's a known fact that different organizations within the govt never really work together. you do your thing, i do mine lol.

 

[NintendoSwitch]

Just visited my sister in a HDB estate.

Several cases of hoarders or big families store or leave their spare furniture or collected items in staircase, common corridors.

We all seen many images of such hoarding and encroachment in the media.

Why this type of issue recur over and over again?

Incompetent town council and estate officers?
MPs and town councils fearful of hoarders who might kick a fuss or kill themselves?
Attract unneeded publicity?

When I made a report on private housing encroachment into public land recently, the appearance on-site and resolution was fast and furious.

But in HDB, town council adopts persuade, influence, mediation, counselling approaches.

My sis complained many times, but there is no absolute resolution in sight.

"Try to be understanding", "Family is not doing well", "Give them more time", etc are the response of town council.

I wonder if private dwellings owners are easier to pressure and adopt enforcement actions?

Should charge town council officials in court for negligence of duty and CPIB investigate if they took kopi lui.

 

[rizhal]

Just visited my sister in a HDB estate.

Several cases of hoarders or big families store or leave their spare furniture or collected items in staircase, common corridors.

We all seen many images of such hoarding and encroachment in the media.

Why this type of issue recur over and over again?

Incompetent town council and estate officers?
MPs and town councils fearful of hoarders who might kick a fuss or kill themselves?
Attract unneeded publicity?

When I made a report on private housing encroachment into public land recently, the appearance on-site and resolution was fast and furious.

But in HDB, town council adopts persuade, influence, mediation, counselling approaches.

My sis complained many times, but there is no absolute resolution in sight.

"Try to be understanding", "Family is not doing well", "Give them more time", etc are the response of town council.

I wonder if private dwellings owners are easier to pressure and adopt enforcement actions?

Yes town council is human too, give chance if family is in hardship.

But for safety reason, town council will enforce very fast. My MIL’s neighbour kept a “forest” of potted plants in common area. Really massive and inconvenient to walk. We contacted town council and we complained mosquito concerns, within one week, my neighbour cleared their plants.

 

[NoSouL]

they want to be nice guy.

if they have been firmed, there won't be cases that last for 10-20 years.

what make it worst is that the turnover rate of their staff seems to be quite high. and the new staff that took over will ignore the leftover cases. residents have to call again, get hold of this new staff, in order to get them to work on it. might even has to repeat the whole story as some staff will say they can't find the records.

I have encounter it many times (not just TC) and the recent one was just 3 days ago. Ah Loong's AMK.

 

[buttbERry]

well

diff entities ma

 

[EJB]

SLA governs land,

HDB governs house.

Corridor, nobody governs.

 

[TimsTom]

SLA governs land,

HDB governs house.

Corridor, nobody governs.

Corridor under HDB too. The whole block of flats is a HDB, no?
Its just that they bochup n no laws on it. Pap no pass laws to maintain the corridors, scared lose votes.

 

[EJB]

Corridor under HDB too. The whole block of flats is a HDB, no?
Its just that they bochup n no laws on it. Pap no pass laws to maintain the corridors, scared lose votes.

Your second sentence says it...

 

[Capitalist]

I think it’s different

Private dwelling encroachment - they might be staking a claim to that land. While the law on adverse ownership is repealed, it still needs to be nipped in the bud. Also the encroachment tend to be permanent structures. I don’t think any action is taken against flower pots outside the gates of the houses only maybe illegal parking

Public dwelling encroachment - there is no claim of ownership of that land so it’s like “close one eye”. If let’s suddenly the person decided build a gate along the corridor (let’s say corner flat) as if declaring this part of the corridor is his, i think town council will act very fast

I've seen videos on social media whereby HDW dwellers have happily subsumed the common area, immediate to their main entrance, as part of their 'private and exclusive' patio.

Some decked the flooring to demarcate the area.

Town councils etc, ought to enforce the 'no encroachment' rule tightly, as opposed to leave it to people's discretion.

Should not be a case of 'take action only when others complain'.

Case-in-point: -

https://www.asiaone.com/singapore/b...nsisting-placing-bicycle-drying-laundry-along

 

[wlalala]

For movable structures BOTH SLA and Town Councils will close one eye.

It is only fixed structures that is more strictly enforced.

 

[TimsTom]

Your second sentence says it...

Which is? No laws n scared lose votes if implement new laws?

 

[EJB]

Which is? No laws n scared lose votes if implement new laws?

Anything outside the house HDB don't want to care. They leave it for NEA.

 

[888blancgmail]

My BTO, got ppl put their stuffs at the staircase w door.


I dk if jlb tc will check or not or wait for residents to complain during fire evacuation or lift breakdown etc..

 

[dambio]

Just visited my sister in a HDB estate.

Several cases of hoarders or big families store or leave their spare furniture or collected items in staircase, common corridors.

We all seen many images of such hoarding and encroachment in the media.

Why this type of issue recur over and over again?

Incompetent town council and estate officers?
MPs and town councils fearful of hoarders who might kick a fuss or kill themselves?
Attract unneeded publicity?

When I made a report on private housing encroachment into public land recently, the appearance on-site and resolution was fast and furious.

But in HDB, town council adopts persuade, influence, mediation, counselling approaches.

My sis complained many times, but there is no absolute resolution in sight.

"Try to be understanding", "Family is not doing well", "Give them more time", etc are the response of town council.

I wonder if private dwellings owners are easier to pressure and adopt enforcement actions?

https://www.mnd.gov.sg/our-work/ensuring-high-quality-living-environment/community-relations-unit

If ur sister is living in tampines can call them for help now.

If not gotta wait till they're set up in Ur estate. I'm waiting for them to come mine. To deal with d noisy boomer upstairs. Who always drill n hammer every other day. Even on weekends sometimes during day time. It's been tis way sinced they moved in few yrs ago.

 

[DriftKing]

How about excess people loitering, sleeping, crowding, eating at void decks and common area?

Talking like at least 30+ people of different group all at once every weekend.

 

[0nePunchm@n]

Corridor under HDB too. The whole block of flats is a HDB, no?
Its just that they bochup n no laws on it. Pap no pass laws to maintain the corridors, scared lose votes.

hdibi no balls lor..