Infractions due to "Nuisance Post": Proper definition needed.

[sgt4leaf]

The way it seems now, if the mod/admin is personally not happy with a post, they just call it 'nuisance post' and infract or ban the user.

This is not objective at all, if nuisance in the dictionary definition sense was not allowed in the forum, 99% of edmwers would have to be banned permanently.

Instead of writing 'nuisance post', the infraction PM might as well say 'mod not happy' or 'admin is dulan'.

So how about you guys define what constitutes as a nuisance post in this forum's case, instead of just infracting people as you wish using nuisance post as an excuse?

 

[Perisher]

The way it seems now, if the mod/admin is personally not happy with a post, they just call it 'nuisance post' and infract or ban the user.

This is not objective at all, if nuisance in the dictionary definition sense was not allowed in the forum, 99% of edmwers would have to be banned permanently.

Instead of writing 'nuisance post', the infraction PM might as well say 'mod not happy' or 'admin is dulan'.

So how about you guys define what constitutes as a nuisance post in this forum's case, instead of just infracting people as you wish using nuisance post as an excuse?

As per my understanding, nuisance is something that is what most would understand as nuisance. Not what 1 would. If you think it's not a nuisance, convince the admins/mods and they would review the decisions.

We don't set a clearly define standard of what constitute nuisance as

1) there will be those who would try to go through every single loopholes of those clearly defined rules. Many would do that, for sure.
And thus you would need a lot more rules and detailed definition which might create more holes to patch...

2) simple rules are easier for forum users to understand. If forum rules becomes too complicated and detailed for the forum users to interpret and understand, it becomes an issue in itself which would make it even harder for both members and admin/mods.

3) as you noted it would cause 99% of edmwers to be banned if Admin/mods follow rules too strictly and that's why there are lee-ways in this nuisance rule. Only give bans/infractions when necessary.

Chill.

 

[sgt4leaf]

As per my understanding, nuisance is something that is what most would understand as nuisance. Not what 1 would. If you think it's not a nuisance, convince the admins/mods and they would review the decisions.

We don't set a clearly define standard of what constitute nuisance as

1) there will be those who would try to go through every single loopholes of those clearly defined rules. Many would do that, for sure.
And thus you would need a lot more rules and detailed definition which might create more holes to patch...

2) simple rules are easier for forum users to understand. If forum rules becomes too complicated and detailed for the forum users to interpret and understand, it becomes an issue in itself which would make it even harder for both members and admin/mods.

3) as you noted it would cause 99% of edmwers to be banned if Admin/mods follow rules too strictly and that's why there are lee-ways in this nuisance rule. Only give bans/infractions when necessary.

Chill.

Doesn't that pose a huge conflict of interest? Especially since mods are posting members who also take part in threads, so they have members they like and those they dislike.

There will definitely be cases where one member gets banned for saying something that would not have warranted a ban if posted by some other member, just because they have different rapports with the mods.

 

[Perisher]

Doesn't that pose a huge conflict of interest? Especially since mods are posting members who also take part in threads, so they have members they like and those they dislike.

There will definitely be cases where one member gets banned for saying something that would not have warranted a ban if posted by some other member, just because they have different rapports with the mods.

Having leeway ≠ conflict of interest

The admins/mods will review each other's actions. There is an appeal channel here for this too.

You can't have a 100% strict ruling on these things or everyone would get infractions/ban.
It's like the police won't catch every single person who download illegal mp3/movies.

Also, if you know football...
Think about the referees in a match, he can't possibly be right in every single decision. He can sometimes be biased, it's definitely a possibility but between that and having super strict rule whereby every single member would be ban, the choice is obvious yup?

The referees' action would be reviewed and if found that he has not performed then his red/yellow card decision maybe rescind, his position maybe demoted too.

Likewise, here,
we rather have a feedback and a peer review to try to keep biased decisions down to a minimum than kicking everyone out of the forum by having super strict rules.
The football match simply can't go on if every single nudge/push/shirt tugging is penalised.

As always, the above are just my pov.

 

[derrickgoh]

IMO there needs to be better guidelines as some infractions seem suspiciously personal.

I had commented before that if someone posts anything about pinoys, the thread is promptly locked and the poster infracted. But I have seen other racists posts and reported them but nothing is done. Hence I made the accusation that the "pinoy mod" only looks out for posts about pinoys but doesn't do nuts about other posts that have been reported. For that, I was infracted for "trolling". How is that trolling?

Its a fact that posts about pinoys are clamped down pronto and its a fact that I have reported other racists posts (not about pinoys) and no action was taken. Instead of explaining what happened, I get infracted for "trolling". Cover up much?

The only explanation given was that none of the mods are pinoys. Well "pinoy mod" is just a nickname of sorts. The mod could be a pinoy worshipping S'porean for all I care. I just feel that mods should be more equal. Keeping a sharp eye out for anti-pinoy posts and ignoring other racist posts is just not on!

And each time I bring this up, I either get infracted for "trolling" or for "nuisance posts". And the PINOY MOD even bothered to dig up my old posts (some over half a year old) and infract me for them. When questioned, the excuse was that someone reported my posts so action had to be taken.

Firstly, who is so free to dig up my old posts except the pinoy mod? Secondly, when I report racists threads, the pinoy mod can't bother to take action. But when some mysterious person allegedly digs up my old posts, the pinoy mod MUST take action. You seriously expect me to believe this bull sh*t?

With this kind of behaviour, its no question more and more people are questioning the standards of mods in HWZ.

 

[Perisher]

IMO there needs to be better guidelines as some infractions seem suspiciously personal.

I had commented before that if someone posts anything about pinoys, the thread is promptly locked and the poster infracted. But I have seen other racists posts and reported them but nothing is done. Hence I made the accusation that the "pinoy mod" only looks out for posts about pinoys but doesn't do nuts about other posts that have been reported. For that, I was infracted for "trolling". How is that trolling?

Its a fact that posts about pinoys are clamped down pronto and its a fact that I have reported other racists posts (not about pinoys) and no action was taken. Instead of explaining what happened, I get infracted for "trolling". Cover up much?

The only explanation given was that none of the mods are pinoys. Well "pinoy mod" is just a nickname of sorts. The mod could be a pinoy worshipping S'porean for all I care. I just feel that mods should be more equal. Keeping a sharp eye out for anti-pinoy posts and ignoring other racist posts is just not on!

And each time I bring this up, I either get infracted for "trolling" or for "nuisance posts". And the PINOY MOD even bothered to dig up my old posts (some over half a year old) and infract me for them. When questioned, the excuse was that someone reported my posts so action had to be taken.

Keep doing the same thing over and over again is trolling. Can you list 1 example of racist post that has had nothing done? Post the link here, I will go take a look.

Firstly, who is so free to dig up my old posts except the pinoy mod? Secondly, when I report racists threads, the pinoy mod can't bother to take action. But when some mysterious person allegedly digs up my old posts, the pinoy mod MUST take action. You seriously expect me to believe this bull sh*t?

Actually, originally maybe no one is so free to dig up your post but once you offended some members, they would be very free to dig up your post and report you.

There are many people here who get offended easily and like to report post of the people they are buay song about.

And then there are the boliao people who is very free and like to report post to see people tio infraction...

With this kind of behaviour, its no question more and more people are questioning the standards of mods in HWZ.

Would leave this up to the admin.

 

[mgsten]

Keep doing the same thing over and over again is trolling. Can you list 1 example of racist post that has had nothing done? Post the link here, I will go take a look.

can mostly find such posts where bigots and zedmaster roam. all the edmw racial/religious insult lingos like, "p&h, ***, and latest one - ********." ppl may think it's funny but it's not. it's an underlying cancer. can go read mothership article. the link is in mods of hwz, how do u want to be remembered as a forum?




nuisance. hmm... bet the mods do find me as a nuisance too. perhaps troll too. maybe not the bad kinda nuisance or troll. dat's mods' leeway for me. the core of the issue is, mods allow questionable elements to breed. right from the start, it shld hv been not sparing the rod. guess the child is spoilt now. so face, the wrath. to make matter worse, some mods do engage in questionable stuff. plus petty mods. dat's y members r complaining. and they get penalised for dat too.

me think the t&c is pretty clear. juz dat the moderation has been questionable with the over thinking.

 

[derrickgoh]

Can you list 1 example of racist post that has had nothing done? Post the link here, I will go take a look.

Considering the incident I was referring to took place many months ago, how am I supposed to dig it out?

Anyway its not uncommon to see threads of racist nature in EDMW but some end up being several pages long and for it to get so long clearly shows no action was taken. If action was taken how could the threads become so long?

 

[Perisher]

Considering the incident I was referring to took place many months ago, how am I supposed to dig it out?

Anyway its not uncommon to see threads of racist nature in EDMW but some end up being several pages long and for it to get so long clearly shows no action was taken. If action was taken how could the threads become so long?

Ok fine. You say there are many other racist thread. Just show 1 example can? Any one.
Do specify which post you think is racist.

 

[derrickgoh]

Ok fine. You say there are many other racist thread. Just show 1 example can? Any one.
Do specify which post you think is racist.

Unlike some people, I do not have the time to go digging up previous posts which may have since been deleted.

It is not uncommon, if you hang around EDMW long enough you are sure to see racist threads coming up and seldom do you see the thread being locked almost immediately. Some even go on for several pages before action is taken.

But blast a pinoy and very high chance it gets locked and you get infracted.

 

[Perisher]

Unlike some people, I do not have the time to go digging up previous posts which may have since been deleted.

It is not uncommon, if you hang around EDMW long enough you are sure to see racist threads coming up and seldom do you see the thread being locked almost immediately. Some even go on for several pages before action is taken.

But blast a pinoy and very high chance it gets locked and you get infracted.

Need to see how common, frequency and who.
Who in this case means, is it the same person who kept doing the same thing, there is no special privileges granted for anyone.
Also need to see if people are reporting it.

It is also not uncommon that people like to complain in threads endlessly yet choose not to report it. Thus it takes a long time to get any action if at all.
Mods do not read every single post and threads, especially in EDMW where threads and posts moves fast.

As for the pinoy remarks, the reporting should be very frequent to get fast action as MODs seriously don't read every posts and threads to look for these specifically. None of the mods care if someone is from Singapore or not when judging any cases, it's purely based on the matter at hand.

Reports are dealt with on a frequent basis, those without reports would have to wait to be detected.

Kindly point me to 1, just 1 report you have made with regards to racist remarks in the past, I will look into it and see why it's reported and not dealt with.

On another note, post that have been deleted is considered dealt with too.
Mods do delete post. Perhaps that's why you don't considered it dealt with?