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Hi all,
Pardon me for not searching through the entire HWZ forum, may I know is there any discussion on the different type of insurances and what is more important to buy first?

If there are no such posts before, hope we can start one. There are so many products out there and we are unsure which to buy.

To clarify, I am not an insurance agent. :p I just want to know more and not be another "carrot". :)

Thanks!!
 

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All in all, look at the coverage of insurance.

1. Death
2. tpd
3. CI
4. early ci
5. hospital
6. pa
7. monthly income

Each product has a certain type of coverage, is there any cash value, how is the cash value derived? investment from company or fund, premium, premium paying term etc.

Understand what you want/need, then it's easier to zoom in, instead of looking at all products.
 

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Hi all,
Pardon me for not searching through the entire HWZ forum, may I know is there any discussion on the different type of insurances and what is more important to buy first?

If there are no such posts before, hope we can start one. There are so many products out there and we are unsure which to buy.

To clarify, I am not an insurance agent. :p I just want to know more and not be another "carrot". :)

Thanks!!

Please look through the stickies as well.

You will find that the forum tends to have very strong opinions, who believe that X, and only X, is the best way to buy insurance/do financial planning.

Frankly, X, Y or Z might all get the job done. It really depends on individual preferences and situation. What is right for A might not be right for B, etc. There is often more than one right answer.

Here, most people tend to lean towards DIY financial planning, but not everyone has the time, interest, ability or energy to do that, as there are so many financial products/services out there.

In practice, I think most people end up doing a mix of DIY and "outsourcing" the rest. It's a bit of a spectrum, depending on the individual.

I recommend finding a good professional, who can gather the appropriate information and make suitable product recommendations. You should first figure out your goals/priorities before zooming in on products.

If you are really concerned about being scalped, then look for a fee-only or fee-based one (although it doesn't mean there aren't any honest commission-based professionals out there), and take some time to educate yourself as well.

Regardless, medical insurance should be one of your first priorities (i.e. the Shield plans).

Normally, some type of term insurance to provide for death and disability should also be purchased.

Critical illness (CI) coverage should also be obtained, as the incidence is pretty high (1 out of 4 will get a CI), but it can come in various forms. The premiums for CI will be higher than the others due to the higher incidence (and thus claim amounts).

I have encountered some people who choose not to get any CI cover but self-insure instead, by using the money for investments instead of on insurance premiums. There's no one answer that is correct for everyone. Important thing is that one understands what they are doing.

Some other important points:
Oh yes, you have the right to ask the agent how much commission they make. And you also have the right to cancel the purchase of any insurance/get a refund of any plan you bought within 14 days of receiving the policy documents.

Generally speaking though, the more the premium, the longer the duration of the plan, the more commission they will get. So, a plan where you only pay once (single premium) will have lower commissions.

Medical/hospital insurance and some types of term plans (not all) tend to have the least commissions. The plans that tend to give the best commissions are the regular premium investment-linked plans (ILPs) and whole life plans.
 
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Hi TS,

No offense intended, I will speak plainly.

To keep it simple.

For a start,(1) private hospitalization plans and (2)a good term plan is needed generally.

Everything else is dependent on other factors like the person's situation and if they have any other concerns.

Do start with these 2 first, I am sure you will know more as the days go by =)

Remember to not fall for pressure tactics and do not buy on the spot.
 

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Hi TS,

No offense intended, I will speak plainly.

To keep it simple.

For a start,(1) private hospitalization plans and (2)a good term plan is needed generally.

Everything else is dependent on other factors like the person's situation and if they have any other concerns.

Do start with these 2 first, I am sure you will know more as the days go by =)

Remember to not fall for pressure tactics and do not buy on the spot.

Health protection
Totally agree with askethan's (1) and (2), which are for health protection. And that will cover kebinu's #1 through #5. This is the priority. I'm against Critical Illness (CI) and early CI though, as you pay hefty extra to get earlier cashouts - hard truths, people with CI will die in a matter of months to years.

Suppose someone kena CI in 2010 and die in 2013.
$100k Term with CI: The person Get $100k in 2010.
$100k Term without CI: The person's nominee(s) get $100k in 2013.


Which one would you opt for? You need to be clear.


Kebinu's (6): Be sure again why you are buying that.
A loss of say two fingers -- can you still work? Do you need PA to claim?
A loss of life -- you can claim through askethan's (2)
Hefty medical warded fees because of the accident? -- you can claim through askethan's (1)

Wealth protection/investment
Kebinu's (7) - Be sure you know what you are buying. If you buy because u dunno how /lazy to invest on your own, you are going to suffer EVEN MORE due to the caveats in buying investment linked products through insurance agents.
 

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The whole concept about having a shield plan is important. The cost is claimable only after paying the whole bill, received the receipt and claim.

If one doesn't have any cash on hand, how to have any cash flow for treatment. This will give you more insight if CI coverage can be important.

Again, don't just look at only the coverage, but also look at the premium payable and sum assured. Look at the possible payout for monthly income as compared to 1 shot TPD, assuming one get TPD early in life and survive till old.

It's all about playing around with coverage, sum assured, premium and odds.
 

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can't rebut on kebinu para 1. I doubt this is a huge problem. If so, moh should do something to fix this lagging bug.


CI is a form of investment.
Diy investment, such as buying ETFs, to pay CI medical fees that's outside shield coverage.
 
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can't rebut on kebinu para 1. I doubt this is a huge problem. If so, moh should do something to fix this lagging bug.


CI is a form of investment.
Diy investment, such as buying ETFs, to pay CI medical fees that's outside shield coverage.
Sounds like a great idea though it can inflat claims.

The idea of investing is great. Have to look at individual people on how they get started. Looking at how most young people are spending now, not too easy.

When the time to need cash is at market's low, still have to cash out? not easy. why not pay fix premium to counter this?
 

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Sounds like a great idea though it can inflat claims.

The idea of investing is great. Have to look at individual people on how they get started. Looking at how most young people are spending now, not too easy.

When the time to need cash is at market's low, still have to cash out? not easy. why not pay fix premium to counter this?

First sentence again cant rebut. But I get your concern and do not doubt your claim - since you have the client experience in this.

On the later part: That's why some people are calling the new regular saving plans by POSB, OCBC etc a good alternative to fixed premium investment-insurance policies.

While they play the same middleman role as insurance agents, the commissioning role is cheaper - possibly due to the economics of scale operated by a centralised leaner system.
 

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Hi, any advice or comments on NSF aviva insurance?

Which plan is good to take up, and besides that any other insurances one should have to be on a safeguard in case of accidents, hospitalisation.
Will be great if fees figures can be provided.
 

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Hospitalization and surgical insurance to cover ur medical bills.

But the plan itself dosnt pay all the bills (detuctibles and co-insurance). So add a rider which will take care of them.
 

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the saf term plan is very good and affordable. There is even some personal accident benefits. I would recommend to increase your sum assured.
 
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Hospitalization and surgical insurance to cover ur medical bills.

But the plan itself dosnt pay all the bills (detuctibles and co-insurance). So add a rider which will take care of them.

are taking medishield riders worth your money?

Aviva Myshield Plan1 31-40 cost 383.17 yearly.
Aviva Myshield Plan1 Plus option A cost 115 yearly.
The option A will cover co-insurance, but not deductible.
since the basic plan already cover 90% for 383.17, is the additional 10% worth 115? In terms of ratio, option A should only cost 42.57

people may argue that option A also provide a 10k critical illness coverage.
This 10k critical illness coverage can be valued at 0.9*12=10.8 yearly
rate is obtained using NTUC LUV for 31-40
 

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Health protection
Totally agree with askethan's (1) and (2), which are for health protection. And that will cover kebinu's #1 through #5. This is the priority. I'm against Critical Illness (CI) and early CI though, as you pay hefty extra to get earlier cashouts - hard truths, people with CI will die in a matter of months to years.

Suppose someone kena CI in 2010 and die in 2013.
$100k Term with CI: The person Get $100k in 2010.
$100k Term without CI: The person's nominee(s) get $100k in 2013.


Which one would you opt for? You need to be clear.


Kebinu's (6): Be sure again why you are buying that.
A loss of say two fingers -- can you still work? Do you need PA to claim?
A loss of life -- you can claim through askethan's (2)
Hefty medical warded fees because of the accident? -- you can claim through askethan's (1)

Wealth protection/investment
Kebinu's (7) - Be sure you know what you are buying. If you buy because u dunno how /lazy to invest on your own, you are going to suffer EVEN MORE due to the caveats in buying investment linked products through insurance agents.

Totally agree with you and some of the bros here. The priority should be health protection. Medical expenses in SG are hefty. Having the basic hospitalisation coverage and the co-payment coverage are priority.

The next important coverage will be CI/TPD/Death. However, usually this is often mixup with investment linked products. I will think it will depend individually. No matter whether ILP or term, at least CI, TPD and Death are covered. Again, the dilemma comes how much you want to cover for? 100k/200k/500k? I know that if you buy term, u will pay lower but cover higher. If ILP, it will be high charges and lower coverage.

Finally will come the other products like personally accident, etc. which are not clear. Maybe it is depending on everyone's needs. As other have mentioned, some put money into investment. I think it is rather risky because we will not know what will be market when we really need to cash out.
 

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Hi, any advice or comments on NSF aviva insurance?

Which plan is good to take up, and besides that any other insurances one should have to be on a safeguard in case of accidents, hospitalisation.
Will be great if fees figures can be provided.

I read somewhere before, Aviva NSF insurance do not covers you if you injured yourself during operation. correct me if I am wrong... :s22:
 

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anyone can tell me roughly how much the premium for full hospitalization insurance + CI would cost annually?

age 25, male, non smoker
 

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I think around $10 - $20 for cash rider monthly and Medisave portion is around $100 - $150 Annually.

NO CI.

wat is the rider thing about? I only know I got a policy on hospitalisation (by CPF) and co-payment. Then CI/TPD/Death is another policy.
 
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