Integrated graphics cores or not?

[windwaver]

Hi, I'm looking at building a desktop with dual displays for mostly office work, watching video, music. Ocassionally for simple online gaming, video and graphics editing but these are secondary.

I understand the latest Intel Haswell and AMD Richland both has integrated graphics; Currently I'm running a dual monitor setup using a 7750.

Basically I can do the following;

1) Lower tier CPU + mobo + discrete GFX
2) Higher tier CPU + mobo with integrated graphics

Of course the best case will be higher tier CPU + mobo with discrete GFX but I'm looking at just building something cheap.

Be it AMD or Intel, can somebody offer their views on which is the better or rather more value for money approach?

Thanks!

 

[Jian19]

A10-5800k + Asrock fm2a75m-dgs ~ $248
Kingston value ram 8gb ~ $80
Wd blue 500gb hdd ~ $60
CM 311 + Fsp hexa 500w 80+ ~ $105

Optional : Samsung dvd drive ~ $21

Total $493 ~ can bargain abit then tell the shop ppl help u assemble ~

Or $$514 with drive

 

[windwaver]

A10-5800k + Asrock fm2a75m-dgs ~ $248

Thanks for your post.

This A10-5800K has a TPD of 100W. Is it better compared to an Intel with a discrete GFX? I'm asking because I know Intel's integrated GFX is still slower than AMD's.

 

[royfrosty]

Amd apu would be the better option. They have eyefinity for support up to 3 monitors. A discrete GPU with just 1gb may not be able to provide enough juice.

The best bet is

Asrock fm2a75m dgs + a10-5800k ~ $248
Kingston value ram 8gb ~ $90
WD 1tb blue ~ $81(to provide more storage for your work)
Hec true power 300w ~ $38
Sharkoon ms140 ~ $54
Windows 7 home premium 64 bit OEM ~ $115
Samsung odd ~ $21

Total $651 buy at tradepac. Diy

 

[royfrosty]

Thanks for your post.

This A10-5800K has a TPD of 100W. Is it better compared to an Intel with a discrete GFX? I'm asking because I know Intel's integrated GFX is still slower than AMD's.

If you are talking about the integrated GPU in Intel comparing to amd apu then yes amd apu are faster in terms of integrated gpu. It can even be boosted till the clock speed of GPU hits 1ghz if given a fast ram for the amd apu.

 

[windwaver]

Oh yes, that is another thing. Dual monitor support is not an issue even on integrated Intel mobo. I don't think I'll be going to triple anytime soon but that's a good point.

Does it mean if I get an AMD integrated GFX solution, it will be cheaper & about the same speed than Intel + discrete (although TPD for AMD is higher)?

 

[royfrosty]

Oh yes, that is another thing. Dual monitor support is not an issue even on integrated Intel mobo. I don't think I'll be going to triple anytime soon but that's a good point.

Does it mean if I get an AMD integrated GFX solution, it will be cheaper & about the same speed than Intel + discrete (although TPD for AMD is higher)?

AMD apu is equivalent to just an intel i3. But their integrated gfx can support up to 3 monitors.

But if you take an Intel i5 onwards + discrete then is basically quite expensive already.

 

[windwaver]

Just thought of another thing.

I got the feeling that everytime my PC go nuts and is in time to upgrade, Intel always has a socket change (need to change CPU + mobo, sometimes RAM also).

Is that the same for AMD so far? Can you reuse most of the working hardware even if say your mobo died or cpu gets fried?

 

[royfrosty]

Just thought of another thing.

I got the feeling that everytime my PC go nuts and is in time to upgrade, Intel always has a socket change (need to change CPU + mobo, sometimes RAM also).

Is that the same for AMD so far? Can you reuse most of the working hardware even if say your mobo died or cpu gets fried?

By right for mobo and cpu if fried you just need to change the mobo and cpu only what. Other hardware still can remain. The only thing that intel likes to do is to change the socket of the CPU. This will be a headache when a new CPU is out the previous mobo may not support.

But on AMD is slightly different. They have been reusing the same mobo for a gazillion of times and stays the same socket. All the AM mobos support FX series and Phenom series processors. And the FM boards supports All the APUs series. Only the FM2+ upcoming board can support a new APU code name Kabini APU. Older mobos like FM2 and FM1 cannot support Kabini APU. But it has backward compatibility with the Older APU.

 

[windwaver]

By right for mobo and cpu if fried you just need to change the mobo and cpu only what. Other hardware still can remain. The only thing that intel likes to do is to change the socket of the CPU. This will be a headache when a new CPU is out the previous mobo may not support.

But on AMD is slightly different. They have been reusing the same mobo for a gazillion of times and stays the same socket. All the AM mobos support FX series and Phenom series processors. And the FM boards supports All the APUs series. Only the FM2+ upcoming board can support a new APU code name Kabini APU. Older mobos like FM2 and FM1 cannot support Kabini APU. But it has backward compatibility with the Older APU.

In other words, AMD has better support for old stuff right?

 

[royfrosty]

In other words, AMD has better support for old stuff right?

Yes you can say that.

 

[Mikey]

you could actually hybrid cross fire with the 7750 on a 5800k or 6800k

 

[windwaver]

you could actually hybrid cross fire with the 7750 on a 5800k or 6800k

Oh yeah, didn't think about that .

 

[Maeda_Toshiie]

you could actually hybrid cross fire with the 7750 on a 5800k or 6800k

Usually not worth the trouble. If you like playing around with microstutter then go ahead.