Jeju Air flight with 175 people on board crashes at Muan International Airport in South Korea

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[jeff79]

Korean tv station kbs did an documentary with multiple cctv footages of the plane from bird strike to landing. Got cctv footage of the plane flew into a swarm of duck then immediately one of the engine compressor stalled.

Cockpit recorder had pilot saying cutoff engine. But shutdown wrong engine? Used flight simulator determined the remaining damaged engine had about 55% power.

 

[Geminiboy]

Korean tv station kbs did an documentary with multiple cctv footages of the plane from bird strike to landing. Got cctv footage of the plane flew into a swarm of duck then immediately one of the engine compressor stalled.

Cockpit recorder had pilot saying cutoff engine. But shutdown wrong engine? Used flight simulator determined the remaining damaged engine had about 55% power.

I’m inclined to think the pilot reacted wrongly. Likely not drilled enough in bird strike procedure, which is to continue with the landing, not go around.

 

[Adi Dassler]

When will air crash investigation show this incident?

 

[Ethan_]

I’m inclined to think the pilot reacted wrongly. Likely not drilled enough in bird strike procedure, which is to continue with the landing, not go around.

Think from the video seems like the pilots saw the birds in front after the tower warning. Thus decided to abort the landing and initiated the go around just before the bird strike. But end up still hit. By then not possible to land straight bah. Have to deal with the situation at hand first.

And as they tried the go around with the plane continued to lose attitude. They soon came to the realisation that the plan A & B for left and right turn go around was not possible also. Thus took a bold move to do a last minute sharp turn to land in the opposite direction. And lucky the plane condition then still allow them to do that last ditch attempt.

On the whole, regardless of what the pilots did right or wrong, think as long as can get the plane down on the ground safely, its considered a win. This kind of emergency situation think no matter how well trained also not possible to follow straight through on the dot one. Only the one in the real situation can make the actual call base on changing situation real time.

Just like the hudson river landing. What the pilot did think was outside of everyone expectation. Even the tower also tried to advice the pilot land at nearby airport. But only the pilot facing the real situation at hand knew that its not possible to do so. Only safe place, even though not so safe, was to land on the river, to avoid mass casualties other than the plane one.

And base on later investigation, they then realised that their training didn't really factored in the human reaction time in the delay. In the simulator the pilot knew what was going to happen and reacted immediately. Thus able make it to the airport base on that few seconds saved. But in real time. That is not possible due to the reaction time delay.

Not taking sides, but think this case if not for the failure at the end of the runway. If everyone survived. Think probably not as many would really fault the pilot much. Cause think the pilot main job is to get everyone up and down safely. Which think the pilot did. But once on the ground with the plane no longer in the pilot control. Its sort of out of the pilot hand liao. And the fatal accident happened on the ground, not in the air.

 

[Mystyque]

Not taking sides, but think this case if not for the failure at the end of the runway. If everyone survived. Think probably not as many would really fault the pilot much. Cause think the pilot main job is to get everyone up and down safely. Which think the pilot did. But once on the ground with the plane no longer in the pilot control. Its sort of out of the pilot hand liao. And the fatal accident happened on the ground, not in the air.

I would disagree about the failure at the end of the runway. Regardless if the bund exists or not, it is improbable they would survive landing at those speeds without gears or flaps. given there are other structures beyond the airport. The TW pilot showed the official calculations of landing distance needed without flaps, it is just a question of what they hit.

While it is understandable that human make mistakes under stress, the initial situation is not an uncommon one. My feeling is still the pilots made a mistake and shut down the wrong engine: There’s no smoke in the video indicating severe ingestion and iirc the post accident photos of the left engine showed pretty intact blades.

That mistake was what turned a relatively routine incident into low survivability event. Coupled with not taking more time to lose airspeed before attempting to land, they were doomed the moment the pilots executed the final right turn

 

[Ethan_]

I would disagree about the failure at the end of the runway. Regardless if the bund exists or not, it is improbable they would survive landing at those speeds without gears or flaps. given there are other structures beyond the airport. The TW pilot showed the official calculations of landing distance needed without flaps, it is just a question of what they hit.

While it is understandable that human make mistakes under stress, the initial situation is not an uncommon one. My feeling is still the pilots made a mistake and shut down the wrong engine: There’s no smoke in the video indicating severe ingestion and iirc the post accident photos of the left engine showed pretty intact blades.

That mistake was what turned a relatively routine incident into low survivability event. Coupled with not taking more time to lose airspeed before attempting to land, they were doomed the moment the pilots executed the final right turn

If not wrong, from the video seems like the plane was losing power, if not attitude also. If so, there was no way for other more practical options. Which think its why the first two left and right turn turnaround were aborted (not enough power and height to carry through perhaps). The final turn to come in from the opposite approach was the last ditch attempt.

And think from the video mentioned, seems that its because of the gears up that they were able to make that last turn with the lesser drag on the plane. If not, think the last turn was not possible also, they would have to fly straight and crash into population eventually perhaps.

As for survivability upon landing. Think it should be higher without the bund bah. Its a crash landing afterall, cannot really expect everything (gears down and flaps in position) to be swee swee. The plane already lose that ability to deploy so in midair. The plane have to come down with what it have.

And think the bund was questionable cause after the crash many were criticising it and mentioned that there were better options to slow the plane down in such situation. Most airports have to build for such where the plane will over run the runway in an emergency. If there is no other option, then the bund is no wrong perhaps. But seems like from many others, there was a better option.

 

[buttbERry]

how come thread tio revived?

 

[Mystyque]

If not wrong, from the video seems like the plane was losing power, if not attitude also. If so, there was no way for other more practical options. Which think its why the first two left and right turn turnaround were aborted (not enough power and height to carry through perhaps). The final turn to come in from the opposite approach was the last ditch attempt.

And think from the video mentioned, seems that its because of the gears up that they were able to make that last turn with the lesser drag on the plane. If not, think the last turn was not possible also, they would have to fly straight and crash into population eventually perhaps.

As for survivability upon landing. Think it should be higher without the bund bah. Its a crash landing afterall, cannot really expect everything (gears down and flaps in position) to be swee swee. The plane already lose that ability to deploy so in midair. The plane have to come down with what it have.

And think the bund was questionable cause after the crash many were criticising it and mentioned that there were better options to slow the plane down in such situation. Most airports have to build for such where the plane will over run the runway in an emergency. If there is no other option, then the bund is no wrong perhaps. But seems like from many others, there was a better option.

Given the speed of the plane as it crosses the start of the runway, it was way too fast. In other words, they had enough energy to go further before turning back. This would had given them more time, less stress and maybe they would remember to drop the gears manually. These two key factors, lower speed and wheel brakes would have increased their chances of survival much more.

At the speed they reached the landing strip, the chances of survival without the berm just goes from zero to almost zero, practically no difference. This was discussed previously already, the amount of distance the plane would need to stop will see them hitting airport perimeter wall, and other buildings.

 

[jq75]

how come thread tio revived?

ytd once more..


i tot got new findings

 

[jeff79]

ytd once more..


i tot got new findings

KBS made a documentary on the crash with multiple cctv footage from different angles covering the entire time from bird strike to landing with air traffic control communication recording. Also interviewed the nearby residents.

 

[tian_yibang]

Barely a year, now another incident of their plane

Only that now heng its only landing gear malfunction/problem, no fatalities

Our SIA/Scoot better learn good lesson from these incidents to maintenance well their planes albeit we know sometimes accidents do happen and its beyond our control

 

[Checkyrmed]

Likely pilot error has been confirmed as expected for Jeju Air Flight 2216

Once again our MSM certainly thinks otherwise, stubbornly choosing to believe in a certain group of experts again who aren’t very smart. The issue is not the air crash itself, but the inaccurate reports they spread to the public, which dumbs everyone down. It makes me question about their professionalism.

https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/...airport-in-south-korea.7091825/post-154943488

 

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[qhong61]

What is 黑甲子？

 

[galmongie]

What is 黑甲子？

blackbox

 

[qhong61]

blackbox

Thanks.
But how can missing for four minutes.

 

[galmongie]

Thanks.
But how can missing for four minutes.

that's why the video says it's not a pure case of error/accident