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Dont know how i got to read this but i just came across.......
Not sure how trained the fellas were, but i thinks those here who are performance based and have at least some structure shd be representative.

Of coz for those who are interested, can read the whole PDF, least the abstract got caveats and nuances that are not represented properly......and how good a study was this and what reps/sets the drop jumps were, i dont know. No time to read details also. But main takeaway is 23.9% improvement in 2.4. :oops: I think there shd be significant carryover to 5k and possibly 10k.
Just sharing ba.........

edit - but yeah, my knowledge is that drop jumps are really good for runners and basically the best.......folloed by depth, followed by pogos (or even single legged skipping rope might count).

Another aspect is also, plyo is really time efficient, can be done literally anywhere and hence fit your schedule, is really gold with the possibility of very good returns for the buck you put in.

https://www.academia.edu/117364098/..._Competitive_Middle_and_Long_Distance_Runners

Effects of Plyometric Training on Endurance and Explosive Strength Performance in Competitive Middle- and Long-Distance Runners​


Abstract​

The purpose of this study was to examine the effect of a short-term plyometric training program on explosive strength and endurance performance in highly competitive middle-and long-distance runners. Athletes were randomly assigned to a control group (CG, n = 18, 12 men) and an explosive strength training group (TG, n = 18, 10 men). Drop jump (DJ) from 20 (DJ20) and 40 cm (DJ40), countermovement jump with arms (CMJA), 20-m sprint time, and 2.4-km endurance run time test were carried out before and after 6 weeks of explosive strength training. Also, the combined standardized performance (CSP) in the endurance and explosive strength test was analyzed. After intervention, the CG did not show any significant change in performance, whereas the TG showed a significant reduction in 2.4-km endurance run time (23.9%) and 20-m sprint time (22.3%) and an increase in CMJA (+8.9%), DJ20 (+12.7%), and DJ40 (16.7%) explosive performance. Strength training group also exhibited a significant increase in CSP, although the CG showed significant reduction. We conclude that properly programmed concurrent explosive strength and endurance training could be advantageous for middle-and long-distance runners in their competitive performance, especially in events characterized by sprinting actions with small time differences at the end of the race.

Key takeaways​

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  1. Plyometric training significantly improved 2.4-km run time by 23.9% in trained runners.
  2. Explosive strength increased in the training group: CMJA (+8.9%), DJ20 (+12.7%), DJ40 (+16.7%).
  3. Control group showed no significant performance changes, indicating the effectiveness of plyometric training.
  4. Combined Standardized Performance (CSP) improved in the training group, contrasting with a decline in the control group.
  5. Plyometric training can be effectively integrated into regular endurance training for competitive runners.
Didn't read the report, coz I don't know hot to interpret data. Just from the abstract, it seems for long distance runner, the advantage is just the final few hundred where sprinting may be required if the other guy is very close.
We conclude that properly programmed concurrent explosive strength and endurance training could be advantageous for middle-and long-distance runners in their competitive performance, especially in events characterized by sprinting actions with small time differences at the end of the race.
 

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nowadays I swim weekdays lunch time, got my tan in and no sunburn also haha


Perhaps I’ve damaged my body—once, I could walk in the sun without burning, but now my skin is reacting strangely. My recovery has also slowed. :frown:
 

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I cant advise on the brand of sunscreen, but i dont use it. Thing is, i would slowly condition and slowly tan it up........every weekend basically. No sunburn. The black pigmentation is natural sunscreen.

Healthy or not or will get carcinoma or not, dont know. So far since around 2016 when i started to get into outdoor activities, no issue.

But bo bian if you do not want that wierd tan mark........ just gotta wear t-shirt + arm sleeves. Or run before 9am or after 6pm.


I’ve grown older and more anxious, perhaps because after searching for sunscreen, I started seeing information about skin cancer caused by sun exposure. :ROFLMAO:
 

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I was sitting on the fence where to sign for eco run, coz I might have a surgery coming up for my hemorrhoids. Todays with the doctor, I almost wanted to go for the surgery, but the Doc tyhink it not that big, and try for lifestyl change plus meds. Also the risk might be too severe to take for the size of it. So decided not to go for it, also mean I can sign up for this race.

Done, $32 with Policy holder code. Cheapest HM in Singapore.
 
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From what I read, singapore UVB is strongest during midday, and exposure of 10 to 20 minutes with exposed limps is good enough for each day. Any more is too risky. Hence I think leave the exposure to Sun for NEAT activities and errands, rather than training. Most of us train for more than an hour, that's too long to be under the sun.

Of coz if we also have training in the sun, even if just 9-10am period sat + sun 2 days 2 hrs......then 10-20 mins of midday errands or even say lunchtime walk to makan, shd be sufficient. Actually 5 mins x 5 times mon-fri enough liao...heh. Waiting at the lights already 1-2 mins. But then again, i am in short sleeves/T-shirt. Long sleeves might need more.

It's this one, wah nowadays AI damn zhun/fast.


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I was sitting ont he fence where to sign for eco run, coz I might have a surgery coming up for my hemorrhoids. Todays with the doctor, I lamost wante to go for the surgery, but the Doc tyhink it not that big, and try for lifestyl change plus meds. Also the risk might be too severe to take for the size of it. So decided not to gor for it, also mean I can sign up for this race.

Done, $32 with Policy holder code. Cheapest HM in Singapore.




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i am still procrastinating over it. Motivation not high. Guess I am not a race/mass run person.
 

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Didn't read the report, coz I don't know hot to interpret data. Just from the abstract, it seems for long distance runner, the advantage is just the final few hundred where sprinting may be required if the other guy is very close.

You are correct. The athletes are also higher trained than i originally imagined. Fitness was 2.4 timing around 7.9 mins on avg before the test. Just 6 weeks plyo training as intervention.....not months etc.

The key takeaways got typo i think......is not 23.9 but 3.9% avg improvement. (combined value between men and women). Some improved much more than others also, coz it ranged from 9.9% improvement to just 1.1% improvement. Though, still not too shabby........shd translate to 5K as well.

It's very good money that can be tapped coz the plyo training is not difficult or time consuming at all, dosage is 2x per week. Actually if office got quiet room, can even do there after lunch.....like how some of us are doing as well. :unsure:
The plyometric exercises consisted only of DJs (bounce drop jumps), with a total of 60 DJs per session (2 series of 10 jumps from a 20 cm box, 2 series of 10 jumps from a 40 cm box, and 2 series of jumps from a 60 cm box) for the TG.
For me actually i had been doing already for more than a year (similar dosage and frequency, sometimes just 1x per week actually), but just wondering how much is it aiding my 3k, 5k or even the occasional 6-8k. At least now i have an answer. But then for me a bit risky, i dont warm up one. 😓 :oops: But so far so good no issue in my grand scheme of things.

For 2.4k, the men were getting improvements in the 18s range on avg.
Might seem not a lot, but it is not insignificant in the 7-8 mins fit zai range.


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I got the details from another link :
https://journals.lww.com/nsca-jscr/..._plyometric_training_on_endurance_and.13.aspx

Subjects
For the intervention, a group of competitive middle- and long-distance runners (22 menand 14 women; 22.1 ± 2.7 years of age) were recruited. They had a minimum of 2 years of competitive experience at national and international level, with personal best times that ranged from 3:50 and 4:27 (minutes:seconds) at the 1500 m (men and women, respectively) to 2:32 and 2:52 (hours:minutes) at the Marathon (men and women, respectively). Subjects had no explosive strength training experience in the last 6 months. Athletes completed (mean ± SD) 6.94 ± 1.8 running endurance training units per week, for a total running weekly volume of 67.2 ± 18.9 km (TG 64.7 ± 18.8 km; CG 70.0 ± 19.3 km; no significant difference between groups), where high intensity interval training bouts of long (i.e., >1 minuteute) duration were the preferred training method.

This training load was added to their respective competitive schedule. Although the V[Combining Dot Above]O2max was not measured, the whole group of athletes (including women) underwent a 2.4-km time trial running performance test in a mean of 7.9 ± 0.8 minutes before intervention, suggesting a high level of fitness in comparison with previous reports (28,34–36).


2.4-km Running Endurance Test​

This was the only test that took place outdoors. The wind velocity at all times was between 5.5 to 9.9 km·h−1, the relative humidity was 50–66%, and the temperature was 13–14° C (Chilean Meteorological Service, Santiago, Chile). Athletes were instructed to run for maximal performance. The head coach took results as a guide to select athletes for competition, so motivation was considered maximal. Athletes individually completed 6 laps in a 400-m outdoor polyurethane track. Because the middle- and long-distance runners recruited for the study compete in different distances, we choose a standard distance for all athletes (2.4 km), as all of them were accustomed to this test as part of their annual general fitness assessment battery. For the specific warm-up, 2 submaximal laps around the track were completed, and 4 minutes later athletes had 1 maximal attempt to complete the test.


After 6 weeks of treatment, a significant reduction was observed in 2.4 km (p < 0.01) and 20 m (p < 0.01) time test in the TG. Also, after training, the TG shows a significant difference in 2.4 km (p < 0.05) and 20 m (p < 0.05) time test in comparison with the CG (Table 1).


Treatment​

The plyometric training intervention period lasted for 6 weeks, as this time frame had shown to be adequate for significant endurance related adaptations (28,36,37), and was carried out during the initial part of the competition season. No reduction in running endurance training volume was applied to the TG (i.e., the TG and CG kept their usual volume of running endurance training during the intervention). The athletes were instructed to maintain their usual dietary habits for the entire duration of the study and they did not perform plyometric exercise during intervention (other than the planned explosive exercises for the TG). Before the initiation of the plyometric training period, the athletes were instructed as to the proper execution of all the exercises to be done during this period. The plyometric training took place 2 days per week (with at least 48 hours of rest between sessions) because this training frequency had been shown to induce significant explosive-related and endurance-related adaptations in endurance athletes (36), with significant superior efficiency as compared with higher training frequencies (6). Plyometric training sessions lasted less than 30 minutes and were completed immediately before the endurance training. Standard warm-up (i.e. 5 minutes of submaximal running and several displacements, 20 submaximal vertical jumps and 10 submaximal longitudinal jumps) was used before the main part of the training session. The plyometric exercises consisted only of DJs (bounce drop jumps), with a total of 60 DJs per session (2 series of 10 jumps from a 20 cm box, 2 series of 10 jumps from a 40 cm box, and 2 series of jumps from a 60 cm box) for the TG. This volume has been used in previous studies, obtaining significant positive results (4,6). The rest period between repetitions was of 15 seconds, as previously recommended (31), and between series was of 2 minutes. The control group did not perform plyometric training and underwent the same testing protocols as the TG.

Athletes from the TG used the same surface (i.e., wooden floor) to complete all the plyometric training sessions. Athletes were instructed to place their hands on their hips and step off the platform with the leading leg straight to avoid any initial upward propulsion, ensuring a drop height of 20, 40, and 60 cm. They were instructed to jump with maximal intensity for maximal height and minimum contact time in every jump. These instructions were intended to maximize explosive strength requiring fast SSC. A researcher was always present during training sessions, motivating athletes to give their maximum effort in each jump.
 
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Of coz, the other one (general) other thing that is of coz the plyometrics can help reduce running injuries......via srengthening of tendons ligaments etc. This is a more indirect effect, of coz.......running injuries severity vary so much and how much it affects the ability to train differs from person to person.
ie Some might not get injured at all, while others have damn jialat lingering even chronic recurring injuries.

More of an aid for you to train consistently without any drama, i guess.
 

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I’ve grown older and more anxious, perhaps because after searching for sunscreen, I started seeing information about skin cancer caused by sun exposure. :ROFLMAO:

I think changing training time period is most practical for us. Arm sleeves and sunscreen a bit terok to be used in sports and training.......at least that is how i feel.

Start the day early ba........end before 8am, at most extend to 8am. Zero worries liao.
This works for us as well, coz the temperature damn terok.
 

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I was sitting on the fence where to sign for eco run, coz I might have a surgery coming up for my hemorrhoids.

You tried Diosmin before? Forget Daflon or disper, too ex. Only thing is that confirmed lab grade etc.....and micronized.


I tried this before......quite good. That time AMZ got offer, i think newbie offer when the pdt first came out, S$43 for 1 big bottle of 365 capsules, shipped. But later raised price.
https://www.amazon.sg/Original-Ingredients-Capsules-Magnesium-Verified/dp/B09SGMMD35/ref=sr_1_8?crid=2OEF8AYWC9B9B&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.m3P8udb4etEG_yD01VYsFwxnMrX-kUP2w9PvF9DYEczK08-L98nlRen5qMP_mwnmA2DY2ik-VqbfWqR581qVci0vAnOSqRRqD-HLKmRpRVi1Oq7frU9AfnWivhna8g69hn3mLNo7UAoR0YARzseiol47q_c4TDiALFNk0GD0cKN8UJrLijmQ2aiAxSiH9lZqXWpiggcHSvyxWdwD-gumEAS77ve35dMhqnvhE-hSwnOTmYPFg5TzSeoKYjasdLecJ7JtMnsVxDAh6oLD27qJVWrYq8LWuOhpTiOb5glsWms.dN0XtD1SyPvLr2I9gOxhcmdDa3oZpIFb5SU0n8O9TmE&dib_tag=se&keywords=diosmin&qid=1770885701&sprefix=diosmin,aps,234&sr=8-8


This on iherb also works good. I using, as general maintenance. Super cheap for lifelong maintenance dosage or to counter any trigger episodes.
Start to makan as soon as you feel the itch, coz you ate spicy stuff and/or go toilet a bit soft/watery stools, which is one main trigger for me.

https://sg.iherb.com/pr/nature-s-life-lemon-bioflavonoids-1-000-mg-100-tablets/24044

Both no GI issues one, way less risk than even Creatine 5g, so go ahead and hoot.
Sometimes the second one i serious itch and can feel the pain coming, i gar gar hoot 3000mg and 3X daily as initial high dose first 24hr loading. :unsure: :oops: No GI issues, and still alive. :unsure:
 

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I dont know my grade of hemmoriods tho.....but most prob is grade 2. A new specialist very fast came in to tell me go operation......but i declined. Initially was i went in with another gasteroenterologist to do normal scope, end up diagnosis is hemmoriods.

Every now and then sure got trigger episode and i think after that also got 2X serious bout, as serious as literally 3-5 days i sit down also pain until need to sit on 1 butt cheek only. Once serious enough that underwear also got blood from the sitting down. So yeah, not super benign type.
All times bioflavonoids, diosmin can help.

Now i know, first sign of itch, go hoot liao. It's like activated charcoal and food poisoning, first feeling of stomach got that wierd feeling, somewhat bloated, i go hoot liao. Dont let it lao sai or you kena fever, that time a bit late liao. People procrastinate and delay whenever they get food poisoning, it is largely treatable one, but gotta act very fast, plus sufficient charcoal tabs (every few hours 6-12 x 250mg with initial loading dosage 12-18 tablets/capsules if serious wanna vomit kinda feeling, i am not joking....)

And oh yeah......after this if got lao sai, the hemmoriods axe hole itchy feeling sure come one. Very common.

ps I hate operations.
 
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I think changing training time period is most practical for us. Arm sleeves and sunscreen a bit terok to be used in sports and training.......at least that is how i feel.

Start the day early ba........end before 8am, at most extend to 8am. Zero worries liao.
This works for us as well, coz the temperature damn terok.


Wearing protection will be more cost-effective.


I can't help with timing—I work shifts, so I only have time for a brisk walk during certain periods, like at night or around noon.
 

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that's what he said !

Basket, talking about similar, nowadays i barely can stand up......serious. Hence i even asked about replacement T terapy if anyone here got do or not.

No access to viagra too. So i just DIY sua.

I more scared about prostate issues (and the C word), to be honest. The risk is actually same as Breast for women, both of which are above colorectal.
 

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Basket, talking about similar, nowadays i barely can stand up......serious. Hence i even asked about replacement T terapy if anyone here got do or not.

No access to viagra too. So i just DIY sua.

I more scared about prostate issues (and the C word), to be honest. The risk is actually same as Breast for women, both of which are above colorectal.

huh, cannot stand so DIY ?
 
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