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Need to wear higher drop shoes and firm midsole that doesn't get squash easily to lessen the tenson load on the Achilles tendon. That's what I did many years back. kenna it when I went straight to high mileage while doing minimalist footwear with zero drop. A strava runner advise me to go higher drop for training. I never stop running while with the injury, just lighten the load.

Keep on running so as to strengthen the tendon, but lighten the loading with slower pace, lower mileage and higher drop firm mid sole. No squishy , mid foam that deform drastically like the zoomx or most Peba base super foam.

Is it the same injury behind the heel? Mine is there too.

Yes, it's behind the heel.

I tried my best not to land on my heel cause it's feel uncomfortable.

So now I am landing my right feet on my mid foot and slowly lower down to the heel.

Higher drop shoes and firm midsole 🤔
 

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Yes, it's behind the heel.

I tried my best not to land on my heel cause it's feel uncomfortable.

So now I am landing my right feet on my mid foot and slowly lower down to the heel.

Higher drop shoes and firm midsole 🤔
If you land on heel, or any stance where the heel compress on a very soft foam, the midsole at the heel area will depress alot, thereby extending your Achilles tendon more. That is why need for firmer midsole foam that doesn't displace much under a compression load. A firm midsole will maintain the integrity of the heel drop better. I remember a slow mo video @WussRedXLi posted of a runner running on a treadmill with a Nike Vaporfly Next%2. It showed the midsole displace alot. Not only the huge displacement causing severe instability, but also causing the shoe heel drop to almost negative or zero drop. Achilless tendon has to be strong to take this shoes for fast pace and long distance.

Try > 8mm heel drop shoes with firmer midsole. I tried >6mm last time. Once my Achilles tendon was healed I start rotating shoes with various heel drop. The lower drop ones will stress the tendon more to strengthen it, while the higher drop days will give the tendon less load for recovery.
 

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If you land on heel, or any stance where the heel compress on a very soft foam, the midsole at the heel area will depress alot, thereby extending your Achilles tendon more. That is why need for firmer midsole foam that doesn't displace much under a compression load. A firm midsole will maintain the integrity of the heel drop better. I remember a slow mo video @WussRedXLi posted of a runner running on a treadmill with a Nike Vaporfly Next%2. It showed the midsole displace alot. Not only the huge displacement causing severe instability, but also causing the shoe heel drop to almost negative or zero drop. Achilless tendon has to be strong to take this shoes for fast pace and long distance.

Try > 8mm heel drop shoes with firmer midsole. I tried >6mm last time. Once my Achilles tendon was healed I start rotating shoes with various heel drop. The lower drop ones will stress the tendon more to strengthen it, while the higher drop days will give the tendon less load for recovery.

I much prefer softer mid sole.

I was thinking maybe can tried below product 🤔

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I used to have Achilless tendon before and was long gone till lately I started running and twisted my right ankle :sad:
 

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I much prefer softer mid sole.

I was thinking maybe can tried below product 🤔

41PaO+xgmbL._AC_UF1000,1000_QL80_.jpg


I used to have Achilless tendon before and was long gone till lately I started running and twisted my right ankle :sad:
Never used this before. It does seem to elevate the heel to reduce tension on the Achilles tendon. Can try out to see if it helps. Hopefully won't introduce new problems.
 

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Never used this before. It does seem to elevate the heel to reduce tension on the Achilles tendon. Can try out to see if it helps. Hopefully won't introduce new problems.

Yes, it's helped as that time very long ago I also having the same issue and I brought 1.

Really getting old and now I recall :s22:
 

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any1 here camping for olympic marathon?

i think even the last 1km in an Olympic marathon, none of us here can keep up with them
 

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His goal was to tire other runners out but end up becoming the pacer. Since olympics doesn’t have a pacer compared to diamond league, he wouldn’t be able to run as hard as he did in the diamond league unless he pace with another faster runner.

Issue with pacing with another runner, is that his kick isn’t as strong so he had to rely on this strategy. That being said, the other 3 runners ran really well and broke the previous Olympic record and their pb in the process, so it was a tough race even though it ended in a kick finish.
Interesting commentary of this race. All top 4 were equally matched. The difference was the strategy. One lost the podium. Hocker did execute his race well.

Amateur like us maybe could benefit to figure a strategy for doing short 2.4km that is not "all out in the beginning and holding that pace for as long as we can". Maybe can have a PB breakthru.


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/a...neguse-ingebrigtsen-paris-olympics-mens-1500m

The race of the century? Unpacking the tactics that helped Hocker to gold​

What made the men’s 1500m in Paris an all-time classic was that Kerr, Neguse and Ingebrigtsen could have all won if their tactics had been slightly different

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It was one of the greatest Olympic 1500m finals in history. Perhaps even the greatest. And while Cole Hocker was a deserved champion for the USA, what really made it an all-time classic was that Britain’s Josh Kerr, the USA’s Yared Nuguse and Norway’s Jakob Ingebrigtsen all could have won if their tactics had been slightly different.
Ingebrigtsen went too fast early on. Nuguse let Hocker slip past him on the back straight, while Kerr was also a bit too wide when he struck for glory. In a race of such fine margins, pacing strategies and even the Stade de France track made all the difference in a race for the ages.

Championship races mean ‘robots’ must think for themselves

Most races on the Diamond League circuit will have pacemakers and Wavelight technology (a pace‑setting system using LED lights on the inside of the track) to enable athletes to run fast at an even pace. But when it comes to the Games, athletes are on their own. “Usually it’s very robotic,” the former British Olympic 1500m runner and elite track coach Matt Yates says. “Running efficiency has changed because of the super spikes and lights. Many athletes are now so metronomic in how they run because they are looking for energy off the shoes because of the stride pattern. But at the Olympics, it is different. Athletes don’t have pacemakers or lights. So they are on their own.”

What did Ingebrigtsen do wrong?

Many raised their eyebrows at the Norwegian blasting through the first lap of the 1500m final in 54.82sec, before passing 800m in 1:51. For Yates, it wasn’t that the time at this stage was too quick – it was that he didn’t run the two laps evenly. “Ingebrigtsen is a very energy efficient runner. But in the final that efficiency went out the window,” Yates says. “The 54.82 killed him and his physiology started changing. But he would have got away with it if he had run a couple of 55-something laps.”

So why did Ingebrigtsen decide to take the lead so early?

While the Norwegian was the quickest man in the field, he knew Kerr was faster over the final 200m – as he showed at the world championships last year. “Ingebrigtsen doesn’t really have much of a pickup,” Yates says. “You’re not going to find him dramatically changing pace and running a 50-second lap. He bolted on the first lap, because he let the occasion get to him. Kerr was in his head.”

Was Kerr right to sit on Ingebrigtsen’s shoulder?

Yates isn’t convinced – and makes a point about the Stade de France track. “While the track is fast, it’s also not the easiest to run on, because the bends are very tight. You cannot go on someone’s shoulder on the bend. And that’s what Josh found out. These bends are very tight. And also the straights are quite long.”

Is sitting on the leader’s shoulder a good thing normally?

Not necessarily. “I don’t like that position,” Yates says. “I call it ‘the schoolkid’s position’. If you run on the shoulder of the leader, then you can be forced on to the white line on to lane two. So you’re already running a bit further.”

What strategy should middle- and long-distance athletes employ?

Yates suggests the way Ingebrigtsen and Hocker stuck to the inside lane was the best approach – at least until the Norwegian pulled out in an attempt to block Kerr during the last 100m. “Position on this track is really key,” Yates says. “No one is coming off the shoulder of the leader on the last bend. They’re coming off just behind. So you’ve got to drop in. And attack later than you normally would on the straight. That’s what Hocker did on Tuesday night – and he timed it to perfection in the final 20m.”
 
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any1 here camping for olympic marathon?

i think even the last 1km in an Olympic marathon, none of us here can keep up with them
What time?
I am also interested to in the women marathon, as to see how Sifan going to cope with less than 24 hours rest after a 10km race.
 

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Yes, it's helped as that time very long ago I also having the same issue and I brought 1.

Really getting old and now I recall :s22:
You already have this? then use lor. The key thing to reduce the tension load on your Achilles tendon, so it should help. And more importantly to runners is hopefully it allows us to get back to running with the reduced tension load.

Anyway, once you Achilles tendon is heeled, it good to have various heel drop shoes to rotate, some to strengthen the tendon and some to recover. If possible, throw in a minimalist shoe in the rotation for strengthening. I still run in my sandals, with a thin sole, zero drop. once a week.
 

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You already have this? then use lor. The key thing to reduce the tension load on your Achilles tendon, so it should help. And more importantly to runners is hopefully it allows us to get back to running with the reduced tension load.

Anyway, once you Achilles tendon is heeled, it good to have various heel drop shoes to rotate, some to strengthen the tendon and some to recover. If possible, throw in a minimalist shoe in the rotation for strengthening. I still run in my sandals, with a thin sole, zero drop. once a week.

Use to have donkey years ago but no more liao so need to buy again.
 

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You already have this? then use lor. The key thing to reduce the tension load on your Achilles tendon, so it should help. And more importantly to runners is hopefully it allows us to get back to running with the reduced tension load.

Anyway, once you Achilles tendon is heeled, it good to have various heel drop shoes to rotate, some to strengthen the tendon and some to recover. If possible, throw in a minimalist shoe in the rotation for strengthening. I still run in my sandals, with a thin sole, zero drop. once a week.
bro, may I ask ?

what is the different between barefoot and zero drop shoes ?

I am currently using Decathlon aqua shoes, if I want to change to zero drop shoes (altra), can I still have some strike feeling ?
 

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You already have this? then use lor. The key thing to reduce the tension load on your Achilles tendon, so it should help. And more importantly to runners is hopefully it allows us to get back to running with the reduced tension load.

Anyway, once you Achilles tendon is heeled, it good to have various heel drop shoes to rotate, some to strengthen the tendon and some to recover. If possible, throw in a minimalist shoe in the rotation for strengthening. I still run in my sandals, with a thin sole, zero drop. once a week.
i bought a china minimalist shoe from taobao. first day wearing it and i can feel a tingling sensation on my feet and my shin feels like it is being worked. i swapped it out with my regular shoes after half a day as i have a run later. scared injured :ROFLMAO:
 
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