Jumping into I9

[poooooo]

7900X...great overclocker but still using TIM between IHS and heatspreader...super high temps..WTF Intel. That alone is reason enough to buy AMD for many

Didnt they tell chiu not to oc?
Why you all sho notti want to oc?

 

[Piezoq]

RAID cards; just became royalty free; Ryzen has AVX 1 and 2; AMD APUs.



EDIT RE AVX:

oh, AVX 512. whoops

AMD mobo have raid too. Just not RST. One can plug and play any RST array onto another RST-equipped mobo.

As for thunderbolt3, I don't see any Ryzen mobos with the port.

Ryzen's AVX implementation is inferior because it uses half the register size. Mainly HPC usage.

Ryzen isn't an APU. Not comparing Intel vs. AMD but i7 vs. Ryzen.

Ryzen is great value for gaming, but for professional usage, there are still gaps.

 

[djdestiny]

AMD mobo have raid too. Just not RST. One can plug and play any RST array onto another RST-equipped mobo.

As for thunderbolt3, I don't see any Ryzen mobos with the port.

Ryzen's AVX implementation is inferior because it uses half the register size. Mainly HPC usage.

Ryzen isn't an APU. Not comparing Intel vs. AMD but i7 vs. Ryzen.

Ryzen is great value for gaming, but for professional usage, there are still gaps.

Thunderbolt 3 has finally become open source and royalty free.
Also another thing, Thunderbolt 3 GPUs are always always bottlenecked by the PCHs because it shares bandwidth with USB, LAN and SATA. Go figure. And most if not all M.2 implementations...
And if you have a ATX motherboard or even mATX do you have any lack of PCIe lanes for PCIe SSDs or the like, or even HDDs or SSDs? Thunderbolt 3 makes almost zero sense on a desktop

Now one thing, who buys an i7 for the IGP?

 

[haylui]

For starters, rst, thunderbolt 3, avx implementation, integrated GPUs.

Main course and dessert le ?

 

[ragnarok95]

ASrock threadripper mobo is using intel stuffs inside. So.... ya... lol.

 

[Encrypted11]

Also another thing, Thunderbolt 3 GPUs are always always bottlenecked by the PCHs because it shares bandwidth with USB, LAN and SATA. Go figure. And most if not all M.2 implementations...

Its less of the connection being bottlenecked by PCH. Ultimately the thunderbolt connector only has this amount of pins in its physical interface conjoined to the pcie backend.

Since Kepler the mid range eGPU scaling has been alright and improving. It is only the "large GPUs" that fully use all available PCIe pins that have trouble downscaling into just a few lanes despite pcie compression tech improvements (namely through optimus driver etc).

Just not gonna happen that easily. Compression tech and physical interface limits haven't reached the crossroads to put large data throughput into something as small as 4 PCIe lanes.

 

[djdestiny]

Its less of the connection being bottlenecked by PCH. Ultimately the thunderbolt connector only has this amount of pins in its physical interface conjoined to the pcie backend.

Since Kepler the mid range eGPU scaling has been alright and improving. It is only the "large GPUs" that fully use all available PCIe pins that have trouble downscaling into just a few lanes despite pcie compression tech improvements (namely through optimus driver etc).

Just not gonna happen that easily. Compression tech and physical interface limits haven't reached the crossroads to put large data throughput into something as small as 4 PCIe lanes.

Have you seen the videos testing that theory out?
Alienware's 4 PCIe lanes bottleneck quite a bit less and is directly hooked into the CPU rather than sharing bandwidth with the chipset over DMI.

 

[Encrypted11]

Have you seen the videos testing that theory out?
Alienware's 4 PCIe lanes bottleneck quite a bit less and is directly hooked into the CPU rather than sharing bandwidth with the chipset over DMI.

There were already comparisons made on the point you mentioned in as early as 2011/2012 on techinferno (the DIY eGPU hub on the internet back then) and that is true. Have also seen the AW amp, sort of a rerouted PCIe than through a thunderbolt controller.

Well if you ran eGPUs for laptops before back in the heydays (around sandybridge) before Intel started "punishing" small vendors who aren't paying royalties for the tech, the compression tech baked into the GPU driver and the card's data bandwidth reqs are key puzzle pieces too that can be worked on outside of specs minted into the interface. The successful implementations all worked on what the "user can control" than something they cannot.

Overall still, compression tech and physical interface limits haven't reached the crossroads to put large data throughput into something as small as 4 PCIe lanes. Unless there's something that happens to the next revision of thunderbolt where you can run multiple of these controllers in tandem and weave multiple small roads into an expressway (and whenever needed a eGPU riser/dock supports connections to multiple TBs simultaneously), I don't think there's a shortcut getting there. Though working around thunderbolt usage is an option like what Dell did.

But how many vendors will make their own PCIe based solution than taking something ready made and available?

 

[haylui]

ASrock threadripper mobo is using intel stuffs inside. So.... ya... lol.

It's common...

 

[riotpatriot]

Ryzen isn't an APU. Not comparing Intel vs. AMD but i7 vs. Ryzen.

Ryzen APUs coming soon i think. mentioned something about raven ridge

other than that, yah the thunderbolt 3 and better AVX thing is late long time thing bah

 

[Piezoq]

Thunderbolt can do Daisy chained 4k monitors. I'm hoping type c will become tomorrow's standard connector and everything can run off type c thunderbolt.

The chipset will catch up.

Note I'm referencing the complete absence of thunderbolt and not the implementation.

Thunderbolt 3 has finally become open source and royalty free.
Also another thing, Thunderbolt 3 GPUs are always always bottlenecked by the PCHs because it shares bandwidth with USB, LAN and SATA. Go figure. And most if not all M.2 implementations...
And if you have a ATX motherboard or even mATX do you have any lack of PCIe lanes for PCIe SSDs or the like, or even HDDs or SSDs? Thunderbolt 3 makes almost zero sense on a desktop

Now one thing, who buys an i7 for the IGP?

 

[iceflight]

Op will be buying. Plus that few like iceflight etc.

Will wait for the 7980XE to change again......

 

[Gattberserk]

Heading towards x399 instead. And im pretty confident that their threadrippers wouldnt cost as high as intels i9 7900x 10c20t at usd999.

The non-OC 16C version is rumored to be coming in at $849

 

[djdestiny]

There were already comparisons made on the point you mentioned in as early as 2011/2012 on techinferno (the DIY eGPU hub on the internet back then) and that is true. Have also seen the AW amp, sort of a rerouted PCIe than through a thunderbolt controller.

Well if you ran eGPUs for laptops before back in the heydays (around sandybridge) before Intel started "punishing" small vendors who aren't paying royalties for the tech, the compression tech baked into the GPU driver and the card's data bandwidth reqs are key puzzle pieces too that can be worked on outside of specs minted into the interface. The successful implementations all worked on what the "user can control" than something they cannot.

Overall still, compression tech and physical interface limits haven't reached the crossroads to put large data throughput into something as small as 4 PCIe lanes. Unless there's something that happens to the next revision of thunderbolt where you can run multiple of these controllers in tandem and weave multiple small roads into an expressway (and whenever needed a eGPU riser/dock supports connections to multiple TBs simultaneously), I don't think there's a shortcut getting there. Though working around thunderbolt usage is an option like what Dell did.

But how many vendors will make their own PCIe based solution than taking something ready made and available?

Multiple thunderbolt is probably available to very limited solutions though, most of them on workstation boards or some very special boards with heavily cut back features and they are still hooked to the same TB chipset (alpine ridge) which is hooked to the PCH...

Which has a PCIe 3.0 x4 eqv connection to the cpu...

which is being shared by M.2, SATA and LAN...

Ryzen is much easier to understand, the M.2 can be switched from 2 SATA bringing down 2 SATA so 6 sata on a X370 board with the first M.2 in use that is hooked to the cpu. Last four is from the X370 chipset :3

 

[Gattberserk]

7900X...great overclocker but still using TIM between die and heatspreader...super high temps..WTF Intel. That alone is reason enough to buy AMD for many

No more HEDT for me till Intel fix their bird sai on their CPU for their premium platform.


AMD can go soldered from big to small and Intel have tons of RnD budget cant do that, really a load of BS.

 

[Gattberserk]

Think twice before you wanna jump for Intel I9, Coffee lake I7 6 cores might be coming in at Q3-4 also

 

[haylui]

No more HEDT for me till Intel fix their bird sai on their CPU for their premium platform.


AMD can go soldered from big to small and Intel have tons of RnD budget cant do that, really a load of BS.

Because Intel wants to show appreciation towards supporters ma.

Sent from Sony D6503 using GAGT

 

[royfrosty]

Lol anybody with any ES 7900x? Damn this chip is freaking hot! At 4.6ghz 1.275v it can hit 105degC in our climate.

I can go for 4.5ghz 1.175v hitting 95degC.

Not sure why it didnt shutdown or something. Despite the board temps mentioned 105degC the hwinfo64 also mentioned 105degC but cpu just keep on running.

 

[poooooo]

Lol anybody with any ES 7900x? Damn this chip is freaking hot! At 4.6ghz 1.275v it can hit 105degC in our climate.

I can go for 4.5ghz 1.175v hitting 95degC.

Not sure why it didnt shutdown or something. Despite the board temps mentioned 105degC the hwinfo64 also mentioned 105degC but cpu just keep on running.

Time to bring out the frying pan and test if it can fry eggs. For science!

 

[12122012]

Lol anybody with any ES 7900x? Damn this chip is freaking hot! At 4.6ghz 1.275v it can hit 105degC in our climate.

I can go for 4.5ghz 1.175v hitting 95degC.

Not sure why it didnt shutdown or something. Despite the board temps mentioned 105degC the hwinfo64 also mentioned 105degC but cpu just keep on running.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1433-intel-core-i9-core-i7-skylake-x/page4.html
"Using just 1.2 volts, which is all I needed for a stable 4.6GHz overclock on all cores, the system consumption went from the 259 watts just seen to an insane 402 watts! That might not even be the worst part, the deal breaker is probably the operating temps. Chilling the 7900X was Corsair's H100i v2 and despite being a premium 240mm AIO liquid cooler, temps skyrocketed as the CPU was place under load, reaching 90 degrees instantly before climbing further towards 100 degrees. Unless you have an amazing cooler, I'm not sure overclocking is going to be worth it."