[*KPC WOT*] Who are the Fake Meat Investors ?

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/ProfTimNoakes/status/1171833118975811585


Tim Noakes@ProfTimNoakes

This very clever man @BillGates [KPC - also a Fake Meat Investor] assures
us that his research has solved the problem of malnutrition in infants.
But he doesn't tell us what is that solution.
I thought that we already have all the evidence: Provide infants with
animal foods full of brain-essential nutrients.

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The Rockefeller Foundation@RockefellerFdn

.@BillGates tells it like it is. Too many children around the world don't
receive the nutrients they need to develop healthy brains & bodies.
We're proud to have you join this campaign and grateful for your work
to make childhood malnutrition #Solvable. https://rockefellerfoundation.org/s...m_campaign=Solvable&utm_content=SOLVmf16Gates https://twitter.com/BillGates/status/1169288834137251845
Childhood malnutrition is #Solvable | Bill Gates
Bill Gates describes how a greater understanding of the microbiome can enhance existing tools and resources to combat childhood malnutrition and improve child development.

1:09 AM · Sep 12, 2019·Twitter Web App


js290@su_js1

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Jaffer Ali@Jaffer22915438
Sep 9
Replying to @Anvoro @nntaleb and @naval

I kept insulting him as a TYI (Technologist Yet Idiot).
Something weird happens when seemingly decent people become celebrities.
Their celebrity status takes over and they become almost caricatures...
I now need to mute the Navalbot...


Melissa Abercrombie@melissa4o5

I want to know what subscription options are available for this
groundbreaking Gates brand formula technology. For instance, are patches
for new dietary requirments included at the typical milestones
or can I customize a la carte updates on the cloud?

 

[kaypohchee]

Yup so terrifying .... something to ponder over ....

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1172495876717273088

Nassim Nicholas Taleb@nntaleb

I am scared of living in a society that doesn't find it obvious that
things perfected by nature over millions of years are scientifically speaking, safer than things made by some "scientists" in a lab.
[Corrected]

Statistically, the "large n" of nature makes it > scientific.

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Emanuel Derman@EmanuelDerman
Jun 14
Replying to @TheStalwart

Just like breast milk has yet unknown good stuff that people making synthetic versions of didn’t know about,
so perhaps meat etc has important stuff that $BYND or Soylent has
no clue about.
https://nytimes.com/2019/06/12/health/breastmilk-microbiome-parenting.html

9:02 PM · Sep 13, 2019·Twitter Web App


Nassim Nicholas Taleb@nntaleb

The "naturalistic fallacy" is not a fallacy outside the moral domain.

Gabish?


Nassim Nicholas Taleb@nntaleb
14h

Didn't we put this, @normonics, in our Precautionary Principle paper?
Where did it go?

Berens@hyperlamda

Has anyone coined the term ”pathological scientism”?


Nassim Nicholas Taleb@nntaleb

Neomania


Gibran Vita@gibranvita

how many millions of years did it take humans to create the livestock
species that we eat today?


Nassim Nicholas Taleb@nntaleb

I have blocked people for vastly more intelligent remarks.


Gibran Vita@gibranvita

thank you, I'll keep trying! (you made my day )


Johannes Fahrenfort@jjfahrenfort

What, skulls are safer than helmets?

What nonsense. I'm scared of anybody who thinks that natural evolution
is intrinsically safer or better than anything that has been carefully
thought through. Thinking and science are a tool of evolution too.
At the top of the chain fwiw.


Nassim Nicholas Taleb@nntaleb

Imbecile.


G Raghuram@UntergrundmannG

It makes me wonder, how easy/reflexive they find it to respond to
something like what you just said without pausing for a moment to consider
if they have actually understood what they're responding to.
This response re: "helmets" is imbecilic in the context of the original tweet.


G Raghuram@UntergrundmannG


This kind of response, by the way, seems to be a good heuristic to identify an #IYI straight up.


Thodoris Lymperis@T_Libo

Somehow the modern scientist managed to turn exactly into the opposite
of the erudite scholar of the past. Sterile, semi educated ( mostly technically), arrogant, without any connection to his roots. Scientism resembles a gnostic cult and its acolytes all the same.


js290@su_js1

this video seems to argue that Bertrand Russell may be responsible for
some of that...

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Jay Dyer, KGB@Jay_D007
Nov 24, 2018

Illuminati High Priest Bertrand Russell Exposed: The Scientific Outlook ... https://youtu.be/kPWkPEb8rPc via @YouTube


Thodoris Lymperis@T_Libo

Funny coincidence, I was reading this at the train today
https://etsjets.org/files/JETS-PDFs/8/8-4/BETS_8_4_139-158_Weigel.pdf

Russel's thought on social and mostly theological issues is subversive,
like he misses the point on purpose. I am not fond at all with his work
as a logician.


Michael Harris@mikeharrisNY

In medieval years they would get 40 lashes for their actions since people understood large n then, now that we have "progressed" they do an IPO.


Iron Feliks@NUMISMATICS9

I've been advocating a return of Scaphism for years, particularly to be employed in SF/Silicon Valley area for that very reason but alas, no dice.
A guy can dream, right?


Wayward Chemist@Wayword_Chemist

‘Perfect’ is a heavy-handed way to put it. It implies an agency to nature
and a finality to what its wrought. Scientists are trained to uncover
the tricks nature uses for our benefit. It’s inseparable from our nature
to use tools to make new tools


Ibrahim Tanyalcin@ibrhmTanyalcin

Could be correct, and could be horribly wrong in certain cases.
The "large n" is necessary because the tools nature has/had are
limited and evolution cannot have foresight. Ever wondered why
mechanisms like wheels could never appear in nature? (coz of vessels etc.)


Andy Chen@newapolloblog

"Large n" is an interesting way to put it. I would think that if nature
and science were to invent one new thing tomorrow, science would
produce something more reliable. But because of the scale of nature,
which invents and tests at massive scale, the unreliability washes out.


Andy Chen@newapolloblog

Got me thinking about big data. Unreliable data with large n might be
no better than reliable data with small n. With the large dataset, we
can't differentiate between true and false patterns. But nature can tell
when its inventions are unreliable, and Lindy filters it out.


matti heino@Heinonmatti

Beware the Big Errors of 'Big Data'
We’re more fooled by noise than ever before, and it’s because of a
nasty phenomenon called “big data”.
Big data may mean more information, but it also means more false information.
https://www.wired.com/2013/02/big-data-means-big-errors-people/


M. Eric DeFazio@edefazio

I mean... what could possibly go wrong with mass produced crops
spliced with e.coli...?
https://sciencealert.com/researcher...-40-percent-through-a-photosynthesis-shortcut
...think of all the children you can feed.

Scientists Fix a Crucial Photosynthesis 'Glitch', Boosting
Crop Growth by 40%
Food for another 200 million people.
https://www.sciencealert.com/resear...-40-percent-through-a-photosynthesis-shortcut


MexicoBlueKetoGuy@JeffMindrup

@nntaleb You know me from New Zealand ~ 2003 when I sent you a
photo of a black swan, by coincidence I met Ned in 2007 and worked for
him in 2013. Your anti-juice msg was my 1st step in taking control.
I am happy to see you're following the same health and nutrition experts.


Giovanni B. Ponzetto@gbponz

as in a world where Central Bankers think negative rates, nonexistent for 4.000 years, make any sense?


Bosch@bozothegrey

Rates have been negative before modern times


Giovanni B. Ponzetto@gbponz

When and where?


Bosch@bozothegrey

Ok, maybe not. But aldo I couldn't find any central banker before
modern times, so I am not sure how you can compare present with
4,000 yrs ago.


Giovanni B. Ponzetto@gbponz

Easy.

Kronos
The Zero Lower Bound in interest rates has a bearing on likely future rates of return on all asset classes, and its onset has not met more resistance due to the mediated structure of investment by...
academia.edu


Ian Pitchford@IanPitchford

Fair point. Biologists try to avoid the word “perfected” though because
it credits natural selection with too much adaptive capability.

Why evolution isn't perfect
Misconceptions about natural selection
science.org.au


Matthew Thorne@RiskDiversity

eg Vaping


Jerry Capital@JerryCap

You might enjoy this book/thread. Thanks

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Jerry Capital@JerryCap
Apr 7

We ****ed up... IBD

"Over the last half-century we gradually pushed our immunostats to higher settings through a combination of sanitation, antibiotics, and modern diet."
Show this thread

P. D. Mangan @Mangan150

Not just the larger n, but the fact that organisms co-evolve, so they
have been exposed to dangers/predators.

Pathogenic microorganisms and their hosts co-evolve to make the microorganism less pathogenic.


Mauro Massironi@massironim

@nntaleb can you think of something more stupid that a pre-peeled
orange, put in a plastic box to store it?
The organic peel wasn’t good enough?

Drew Tada@TadaDrew

Even funnier that sumos are genetically modified to be as easy to peel
as possible


Max Olson@maxolson

What meat are we actually eating?

1) The meat humans evolved eating over millions of years, or

2) the meat we’ve artificially selected for taste/convenience raised in a
highly controlled, sterile, chemical laden env?

Will scientists *never* understand how to replicate meat?


Ofer Rubin@ofer_rubin

I am tinkering with the Idea to do Deep Learning on pictures of Vegetarian before and after...


Pietro B@sothisispietro

Vegans would be easier


francisco@francisc0xDA

Why would that be obvious? Most cattle bred today are the result of
artificial selection to begin with...


Winkelmann@USAMAresident

Also following the money/political ties on the push for a meatless society
is obvious and interesting


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S____@_S70DD
Aug 4

1) So I was curious why there was this sudden push to cut meat,
particularly beef consumption, it seemed to come out of nowhere,
so I did a little research, a thread: https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1157607331103944704
Show this thread


Dr. Silva, J.P.@ertwro

True. Although sometimes a smaller n is good enough. Thus, heuristics.


Drew Tada@TadaDrew

Only in the negative.

N=1 can show something is unsafe.

N=100,000 can't verify that something is safe.


Dr. Silva, J.P.@ertwro

"Only" is a strong word when "can show" follows. Unless you wanna prove that "only". I mean, is ok to throw risk management out the window in favor of loss aversion for some people.


jenkins@Brian34060619

Agree. The problem is the majority of the meat we eat is no longer natural either.


chutney farmer@richie62363343

this is true, but it's still closer to natural than soy burgers or milk formula. animal husbandry has been going on a long time and we have evolved
with it. as an experiment try finding some quality grass fed that has been raised naturally and taste in comparison to cheap stuff.


Wendy@wendyweewrites

I guess they're not sure if perfection has been reached by nature,
and so there could be gaps that could be fixed by human inventions?


Giulio Giacomo Cantone@JayCanto

"Perfection". That s a grave word to employ in a discussion about nature,
evolution, genetics...


Sunil Malhotra@SunilMalhotra

We all should be. This is a sick society.


Richard Sosa@rsosa8

Handmaid's Tale doesn't sound so crazy...


M. R. Jahan-Parvar@mrjahan49

Agreed, but the Luddite remarks of the televangelist who started this
chain of comments are equally or more disturbing.


([:mc | he] ick hwwaadtt) @hendekahedron

Evolution is smarter than human design, it has 4 billion years of accumulated intelligence, including the use of quantum computation


The Worthless Professor@WorthlessProf

If people were to understand this, it would require a rethinking of so
much awe and wonder of modern medicine and technocracy.

We've also lost so much localized wisdom it's impossible to recapture all that was lost. So we turn to Soylent.


Dr. Petar Stojanov@DrPetarStojanov

@nntaleb it’s not until Skin In The Game that the matter of Lindy-compatibility has been raised in the collective consciousness.


Gore Burnelli@Gore_Burnelli

>We should all eat bugs and soy.

Modernity in the current year.


PragmaticLibertarian@parallel235

Safer... for whom?


forearms Van Petegem@forearms

manifest heuristic


Gary Hlusko@DeltaSShadow

Those scientist also helped design the math and statistics that you studied...


David N. Schwartz@dschwa8059

Presumably by "things" you meant "food"!


Zombie@news_rookie

So meat has been "perfected" for human consumption by Nature.
That was the whole purpose it seems... Genius!!!


cia asset-backed securities@thinkplank

this is what i tell people to convince them to try my home brew


([:mc | he] ick hwwaadtt) @hendekahedron

Take the false-equivalence of GMO with breeding used by shills on forums.
The phenotype-space accessible through breeding is constrained by the ecosystem, whereas the phenotype-space accessible through GM opens
into dangerous subspaces in a single generation


-Palendromeo-@jeff_hauschild

Look at how abysmal synthetic social interaction ("social media") has been. The list goes on and on.


Tom Kleffman@darwinslair

there are several generations that have been


RICHER jacques@RICHERjacques1

By safer, you mean with a well understood scope of variations: this is the advantage of large n natural experiments, at least for thin tail distributions. You are not the one to be reminded that fat tail distributions are another story.They will be multiplied by climate change.


Roel@roelzns

Like Central Bankers think it is safer for them to drive the business cycle. Scary indeed.


Of Swamps & Shitholes@AZbroker

Isnt it strange bovine milk is is considered safer than human milk for
human consumption?


Dapper Gentleman@dappergentleman

Do you think that methods that take advantage of "large-ish n" selection
& evolutionary principles are safer/more robust [than traditional "small n" methods] for creating novel biomolecules?

e.g. in vitro-/in vivo-evolution:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systematic_evolution_of_ligands_by_exponential_enrichment
In Vivo Continuous Directed Evolution
The development and application of methods for the laboratory evolution of biomolecules has rapidly progressed over the last few decades. Advancements in continuous microbe culturing and selection...
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov


Robert Oliver@thegeniusceo

LINDY LINDY LINDY LINDY LINDYYYYYYY!!!!


Dinesh Sairam@Dinesh_Sairam

"Don't fix something that's not broken."


Wilson@cryptowilson

Why "scared"? Time is the perfect crash test. If some guinea pigs want
those scientist stuffs, we should thanks them to be remembered as an unfortunate data point.


Lazy Clasher@ClasherLazy

A thought: ancient things have been "studied" for health to a far greater extent than modern pharmaceutical drugs. An example would be remedies from TCM that have been in use for millennia. Will current pharma drugs be around in 1000yrs?


jak1@jak74520

The Lindy effect?


Enzo D. Lamberti@enzolamberti

We can sweeten the pill by making some money out of it. The only hope I have is volatility - gone are the days where we stuck with the same credo for hundred years, now everything is a fad. We can see many fads going down the river in our own lifetime,if we are patient enough


CriticalThinking@FCriticalThink

There are many ways in which our life supporting systems are undermined. Once we peel back the layers of obfuscation and distraction, we find that everything is connected and this assault is planned http://freecriticalthinking.org/daily-pickings/3175-population-decline but most are too frightened to confront this possibility


Ely Dorantes@superstarcrashr

As a libertarian, I find this understanding violent towards the freedom of the market


Bombay Boy@abombayboy

And large t as well


kb@702man

8 billion people and growing. The future of food is made in a lab.


billybobmcmanus@billybobmcmanus

An arrogance that reflects an underlying gnostic paradigm which sees
nature (God's creation?) as flawed and Man as destined to correct it:
we strive for perfection; the lion will lie down with the lamb.
It's arrogant but reassuring if you're potential kebab


Atul Veer@atulveer

I believe one of the most fascinating systems designed by nature are reproductive systems. I mean I always wounder how it must evolved?
- the parts, harmones, acidic or alkaline nature of fluids, gestation period, post birth harmonal changes. Its a huge interconnected system!!


John Overstreet@JohnOve51921139

The thing nature perfected is (in these examples) the breast milk and meat; the humans that consume them; the relationship between humans and
those foods; or something else?


From The Mystery@FromTheMystery

Bio-logic precedes techno-logic in evolution. Its had a longer run, many
more generations, whereas products of Human techno-logic have shorter runs & must be stored artificially in language on some medium.
Even if found, it may not be accessible. Nature is the Master of its game.


Julio Oliveira@JulioOliveiraRJ

@nntaleb I love you!


Srujan Gupta@NotSrujanGupta

Perfection by nature was inherently a process of change/innovation of
that time. Purely trusting the large n process emans remaining vastly
similar and not improving. If cave settlers had done that, we wouldn't have brick houses.


Hokusai@Hokushinsai

They want to force producers to take out radioactive elements from mineral water (which makes them not mineral water anymore).

It’s never been established that 0 radiation is better than little radiation.

All springs historically used for healing are radioactive. Coincidence?


Ralph Daloisio@RalphDaloisio

It’s been said that true science is a process of discovery (of nature), not a process of invention (of applications superior to nature). I highly doubt that God has left anything for humans to “invent.”


twistedspine@twistedspine_

It is scary. As much as I love and appreciate your work Mr. Taleb,
I never needed you to tell me this because it's common sense.
Unfortunately, common sense is no longer common.
It takes an incredible amount of arrogance to think we can do better than nature or god can.

... etc ...

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/KenDBerryMD/status/1173614627080609793


Ken D Berry MD@KenDBerryMD

2 very large, Randomized Controlled Trials show that replacing animal fats with
vegetable fats DOES NOT lower Mortality.
Actually leads to earlier death...
https://bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707.long

Re-evaluation of the traditional diet-heart hypothesis: analysis of recovered data
from Minnesota Coronary Experiment (MCE)
Objective : To examine the traditional diet-heart hypothesis through recovery
and analysis of previously unpublished data from the Minnesota Coronary
Experiment (MCE) and to put findings in the context of existing diet-heart
randomized controlled trials through a systematic review and meta-analysis.

https://www.bmj.com/content/353/bmj.i1246

11:08 PM · Sep 16, 2019·Twitter Web App


Ken D Berry MD@KenDBerryMD

And this one:

Use of dietary linoleic acid for secondary prevention of coronary heart disease and death: evalua...
Objective To evaluate the effectiveness of replacing dietary saturated fat with omega 6 linoleic acid, for the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease and death. Design Evaluation of recovered...
https://www.bmj.com/content/346/bmj.e8707.long


Richard Amerling@dramerling

Burying this data (Ancel Keys was a culprit) was beyond unethical.
The harm produced by acceptance of the “diet-heart hypothesis” is incalculable.
The crime of the century!


Sheena Hunt @Engineer4Health

I wonder how many early deaths he and the cronies that supported him
(and still do) have caused by this fallacy?

I'll bet he puts Mao Zedong to shame.


Robyn Benson@RRFacials

Just say NO to PUFA’s!


MudderLori@MudderLori

Am I reading this wrong? Sounds like you're saying replacing vegetable fats
with animals fats leads to earlier death?
Maybe I need to pour myself another coffee?


Annlee Hines@ralflongwalker

"replacing animal fats with vegetable fats DOES NOT lower Mortality.
Actually leads to earlier death."

This says animal fats OUT, "vegetable" fats IN leads to earlier death.

But more coffee is always indicated ... in my book. ☕️


MudderLori@MudderLori

So I read that as animal fats = bad.
Dunno, probably just my brain this morning. Either way, its confusing.


misckawitz@misckawitz

vegetable fats kill you more than animal fats


MudderLori@MudderLori

Right! I know that, but thats not what I interpreted out of that post.


Stuart Carter@stuartjcarter

It took me a couple of reads to understand. It is a confusing information layout


Kathy Partridge@WhitePinesWhisp

These trials (1968-73) overlapped the era of the McGovern committee
(1968-77). The very same cmte that told us fat makes us fat,
saturated fat causes disease, & carbs= healthy.
Like everyone else then, I stocked up on Snackwells & other low fat
crap, w/ predictable results.


Kathy Partridge@WhitePinesWhisp

Probably no surprise that the data went unpublished.

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/RuthMcMScott/status/1173672615438954505


Plant Based News@PlantBasedNews

A British school has removed meat and fish from it's lunch menu!

British School Removes Meat And Fish From Lunch Menu
The meat-free policy is due to the 'huge environmental and sustainability benefits'
https://www.plantbasednews.org/news/british-school-removes-meat-lunch-menu


Julianne Taylor, Nutritionist@juliannejtaylor

No I'm not clapping. We should not be removing nutrient dense foods from our children's diets. Heme iron, zinc, selenium, iodine, long chain omega 3 DHA and EPA. Amino acids - all critical for growth and brain function. First do no harm?


Ruth Scott@RuthMcMScott

Let's ask a few doctors, dietitians & scientists if they agree with this?
@DrAseemMalhotra @lowcarbGP @GeorgiaEdeMD @KetoDocCLT
@SBakerMD @SustainableDish @lchfRD @4dietaryreform
@LeahMcGrathRD @ProfTimNoakes @QUBFoodProf


Ms. Marina Black@MsMarinaBlack

The doctors who make up the Physicians Committee for Responsible
Medicine think it's a great idea
Vegetarians Live Longer
Vegetarian diets can extend life expectancy, according to early findings from the Adventist Health Study-2.
https://www.pcrm.org/news/health-nutrition/vegetarians-live-longer

Ruth Scott@RuthMcMScott

The psychiatrist Barnard is closely linked to Peta and FBI-listed
terrorist groups
"95% of members have no medical degrees...
5% doctor membership that PCRM claims open to question.
Anyone claiming to be a physician or a medical student can join"
Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine | Funding sources, staff profiles, and political...
https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/23-physicians-committee-for-responsible-medicine/

2:58 AM · Sep 17, 2019·Twitter Web App

 

[DFR6868]

put in current affairs, less noise... easier to find the thread.



THANOS WAS RIGHT

 

[DFR6868]

This burger is very expensive

Impossible Burger at Fatburger is $10 nia.
decent tasting for fake beef but sadly soy protein.

 

[kaypohchee]

[*NOT for KPC-HATERS*]Why the War on Meat & Related Topics ....

Interesting video here on the very interesting subject of the origins of the Anti-Meat Propaganda .... the lies etc ...

https://youtu.be/p0VwjsZJmYo

Why the War on Meat??? Find out here from Dr. Gary & Belinda Fettke Podcast #16

Ivor Cummins

Ever wondered why absurd anti-meat articles keep popping up on the world's media? Or why EAT-Lancet has sprung from the ashes of low-fat, to promote the guzzling of grains and vegetable oils in preference to real food?
Well look no further - the answers are in 100 years of the historical record - now revealed here!


Selected Comments :

Daphne Ryland-Jones
5 months ago
Very interesting, thank you. I wasn't aware of the full history of this side of the vegan propaganda machine, but it makes perfect sense. However, I believe that the biggest pusher today of the vegan false health doctrines is the new - and noble sounding - religion which can be broadly summed up as 'Save the Planet'. Adherents to this mindset are the new 'Eco Crusaders' who, with their belief system are highly active in every area life, espousing their dogmas through social media, government educational curricular and the 'educational' programing of BBC etc. They are teaching our children and youth, from primary school right through to university, that veganism is the ONLY sustainable way to feed the world's population without destroying the Earth. If you need any persuasion of this state of affairs, I would strongly commend to you the excellent book 'The Vegetarian Myth' by Lierre Keith who was herself 20 years a vegan crusader, and nearly lost her life to it from the crash in her health. She now teaches the shocking truth - that it is actually the vegan 'Plant Based Diet' diet and the requisite destructive farming methods needed to sustain it, which are destroying the world's topsoils, environments and precious diverse habitats. Take the time to look into this for all our sakes. Keith has talks on youtube if you don't read books readily, though after hearing her talk you will want to read up on how you and your family and friends have been falling for the lies, and are likely suffering ill health for it


NPC CuckyHas-been
5 months ago (edited)
Meat is under attack because it makes us stronger, smarter and more masculine.
They would rather have us be weak stupid and easily controlled.
Thus they are pushing the Soy/Roundup/GMO plant based agenda.
The NWO diet for slaves and profits for the multinationals.
Not to mention going Vegan literally makes females lose their periods....
Depopulation 101


Jim D
5 months ago
Big Brother Government is the crux of ALL our problems. Incompetent power hungry bureaucrats who can't manage their own personal lives are so vain to imagine they can manage every other person.


Jill Johnson
5 months ago
This is brilliant! I’m from Battle Creek, Michigan and have always known Kelloggs and the Seventh Day Adventists we’re behind the switch to people eating grains for breakfast but I had no idea it was this insidious and widespread. Thank you for bringing out the truth!


Pissedoff Chica
5 months ago (edited)
It’s quite arrogant to believe you can engineer healthier foods than those natural/unprocessed foods that have been consumed for millennia.


coffeemachtspass
5 months ago
Lisa Ogle
Witness: “The Impossible Burger”. I read through their website today and they were boasting that they were ‘better than cows’. Apparently they are very cocksure of their own insight into nutrition.

I have my doubts. Ha ha.


Bathoggywinger
4 months ago (edited)
Its not about health. The obvious conclusion is they are doing this for population reduction, and Eugenics. Seventh Day Adventists Kellogg's was a rabid batshit crazy Eugenicist who's views were openly known.


Herb Levin
2 months ago
I think the oligarch/elite have known thousands of years to feed your slaves high sugar and grain diets.


Ezekiel Watters
1 month ago
@Herb Levin

Plato recommended feeding slaves grains back in his day.


MOOR TIGHT
3 weeks ago
Actually, history is chock full of people trying to play God. This is just one variety of that ubiquitous degenerate compulsion.


Alexi Starr
5 months ago
Fascinating. I have long referred to vegans as members of the church of vegan, due to their cult like, judgemental, authoritarian tendency to want to dictate to others how they should lead their lives. Little did I realize how literally true this observation would turn out to be.


Kathryn Strzelecki
5 months ago
THis is by far and away one of the very best podcasts I have ever heard. I hope they write a book. I loved this and will be sharing it with a number of people. We can change the world - with a political movement that is willing to fight back in the streets.

 

[peaceheart]

I'm a kpc hater

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/FructoseNo/status/1173782705516892160

Gary Fettke@FructoseNo

Many still don't see the link between dietary guidelines disaster and
@adventistchurch and church of @CocaCola & #BigFood but it's
hiding in plain sight .
Throw in #LifestyleMedicine for the ride.

https://youtu.be/p0VwjsZJmYo

@FatEmperor @ProfTimNoakes @zoeharcombe


Quote Tweet
Ken Armstrong@KillorglinKen

I was listening to a pod this afternoon from @FatEmperor where he
interviewed @FructoseNo and @BelindaFettke
- I love a good conspiracy theory but this is far from that.
Backed by facts and serious sleuthing

- And there was me blaming Ancell Keys
(I don’t suppose he was a 7DA?)

10:16 AM · Sep 17, 2019·Twitter for Android


Vitaliy Jüterbog@J_Imagineering

It's spreading and they can't stop it.

https://youtu.be/u3c1362zoGg

40 Days of Fasting | Super Powers for Old Dudes!
Fancy pants were getting a little snug around the dick-do.
I'm 40 days deep; intermittent fasting and time restricted eating.
I'm nearly at my snowboard-fighting weight and feeling great.

Spoiler

Ben Derover
3 hours ago
Go to India and drink a glass of tap water. You’ll lose 40 pounds in 1 day.

Ian Watson
3 hours ago
Yes Delhi belly is fun and educational, bringing home that every glass of water in India has been through at least 40 inspectors, most of them didn't flush or wash their hands either. There is a funny story about that, the British prior to leaving India built as a farewell sort of gift massive sewage treatment plants outside most the cities, the Indians were very appreciative, said thank you etc then a year after the British had gone, just stopped using the treatment plants and let silt and mother nature do all the water filtration as treating sewage was so un-Indian. The plants are still there, in ruins and unused and most of the water in India is filtered through silt which sounds great until you realise the silt is made from human excreta.

 

[msaz]

Wall of text zzzzzzz nia

 

[heng_ah]

I am neither.
Can kpc get a real job instead of wasting time with wot that no one will read?

 

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https://twitter.com/KetoAurelius/status/1173711918961442817

Carnivore Aurelius ©@KetoAurelius

"MEAT CAUSES CANCER"

Most don't get this: for the last 50 years, people eating meat aren't
eating ribeyes and beef liver.

They're eating burgers with fries, fried chicken with seed oils (and bacon loaded with nitrates.)

Of course they think meat causes cancer.

5:35 AM · Sep 17, 2019·Twuffer


Adam@adamjrcorbett

Bacon's all right.

Enjoy Your BACON! The Nitrate/Nitrite Cancer Scare Destroyed!
For years we've been told that processed and/or cured meats increase our risk of cancer. I decided to delve into the research and the common-sense of this is...
https://youtu.be/8Ygs2j0v0sU

Spoiler

For years we've been told that processed and/or cured meats increase our risk of cancer. I decided to delve into the research and the common-sense of this issue and see what I could fine. You will be surprised at how strong one is, and how weak the other.

Nitrates and Nitrite containing salts have been used to cure meats for thousands of years, but only since the 1970's have we been told that these natural ions cause cancer. Can you enjoy your bacon, or should you avoid nitrate/nitrite due to the cancer risk?

It took me a couple months to cut through all of the emotion, blustering, and "expert opinion" on this issue and find out what the research actually shows. If you eat bacon. or other processed meats, you want to watch this video.

Dennis Wilson@djwilso

Not sure why bacon with nitrates got lumped in there. There's nothing
wrong with bacon.


Mohan Suswaram@MohanSuswaram

Even WHO pronounced this. But they must be categorical and precise.
It’s not the meat (90% of India eat meat but don’t get cancer) it’s the processed meat in the form of burgers and other stuff that causes it.


Dennis Wilson@djwilso

Nope, processed meat like burgers is not it. It's more likely the bun,
the fries, and the coke that goes with it. Not the meat, and that includes processed meat.

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1173680148119506944

Ivor Cummins@FatEmperor

Jaysus here we go - misinformation never felt so bad:
https://plantbasednews.org/film/the-game-changers-out-today
#Yes2Meat #meatheals

Vegan Documentary The Game Changers Out Today
Tickets for the world premiere are beginning to sell out
plantbasednews.org
https://youtu.be/iSpglxHTJVM

'Best athletes on the planet'

3:28 AM · Sep 17, 2019·Twitter Web App


Brad Lemley@BradCLemley

Ivor, a question. The U.S. has decided that trans fats are unhealthy, and
they are essentially banned here.
But now, pure soybean oil boils away in a million deep-fry vats.
Is it any better for health?
I suspect due to its ability to oxidize it's actually worse.


Ivor Cummins@FatEmperor

Scary filth I would say


Christian Assad, MD@ChristianAssad

If it wasn't for meat it is unlikely that Arnie would have been Conan
or the Terminator.
- I'll continue enjoying my Steak and Salmon.

Brian FitzGerald@BrianGFitz

The steroids helped though


Christian Assad, MD@ChristianAssad

LOL steroids and steak work synergistically. Doubt he would have
gotten there with roids and Lupini beans


Brian FitzGerald@BrianGFitz

He did love a steak


Al Hunt@mister_hunt

I suspect he still may....


Leo@LittleOlMe97

I suppose Cam Newton will not be mentioned? Two games into his
vegan diet and his performance has slipped appreciably.


Rita Venter@xeyedmess

Serena is also touted as vegan but wait.... “she eats vegan food but
for her it means MOSTLY plant based.”
Guess that’s another nope, not vegan.


Rita Venter@xeyedmess

@StickmanBleedin
maybe the reason she’s won no major titles in the last few years?
It’s definitely worth exploring. She’s phenomenal and an incredible athlete,
but why no silverware in years?


Johnny Penso@JohnnyPenso

I'm 100% plant based and healthy as a horse. Eg. For dinner tonight
I had plant based meatloaf. Some sauteed mushrooms, onions, garlic
& spices mixed with 100% plant fed ground beef topped with 100% plant fed bacon.


Jorge Luis G@yoguruso

via @GrassBased

Garry Lee@Gearoidmuar

Novak eats meat and so does Arnold. Dunno who the other two are.


Jorge Luis G@yoguruso

James Cameron's wife Susy Amis turned him into veganism, she looks like
a cardboard figurine. https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1155613811983785984?s=20 via @SBakerMD


Quote Tweet
Dr Shawn Baker @SBakerMD
Jul 29

From 48 to 56, pretty damn impressive aging from vegan filmmaker
James Cameron’s wife Suzy Amis!
Wow, vegan deterioration is real!!


MexicoBluePaleoKetoGuy@JeffMindrup

I swear, when I saw that photo of those 4 guys I actually farted for the first time since going keto.

Must have some kind of carb flashback.


...and another thing...@TheyCallMeKate

Dude, for real- very few farts on keto.
Eat something non keto? FARTS.


MexicoBluePaleoKetoGuy@JeffMindrup

Those vegans are full of hot air.

Until they let some out.


Jorge Luis G@yoguruso

...more like methane!!


...and another thing...@TheyCallMeKate

HA! Truth.


Cian Foley - Don't Eat for Winter@wellboy

Pea protein agenda. Let the battle between pea and whey begin.


Jorge Luis G@yoguruso

Neither...

Tim Horton@TimHort56462593

They all had their incredible physiques built up by meat. Now take note
of how much time it takes for them to deplete into sick and malnourished prisoners of veganism.


Davee - UTAG@EddieBanana

Was about to say...as if Arnie built that body on lentils


stewhambone@stewhambone

OMG!!!!!what a load of pure tosh!!
WTF,I wonder what @SBakerMD will make of it


QualityHealthersonalVision@vision_quality

Been eating plant based my whole life....1 piece of meat, 2 veggie sides. Small piece of fruit for dessert. Most animals I consume eat plants also.


Ally Macdonald@Glavensghost

A higher level of science-fiction than the Terminator or Avatar.


Michael J Padula@MJPadula

Novak dropped out of the US Open a few weeks ago. He had shoulder
surgery previously, probably didn't heal


Garry Weil@garryweil

Regardless of this propaganda
#ketounstoppable


Jerry Bowyer@JerryLeeBowyer

Don't blame Him. He ate fish, participated in Passover which involved lamb; told parable about killing the fattted lamb.


Dave Seibert@littlesigh

They are coming for our meat! #RiseUp


SAP@SAP05236267

So when he was young and fit he ate meat, but somehow that’s bad now! Check this out!

Image: Old-School Eats: Eat Like Arnold | Muscle & Fitness
Found on Google from muscleandfitness.com


Rita Venter@xeyedmess

Apparently Djokovic is plant based “but is opposed to calling himself a vegan.” Scrambled eggs anyone?


Wendy Hume@wendy_hume

Serena Williams hasn't had much luck since she went Vegan.


Ron Scarcello@RonScarcello

No disrespect intended but it looks like she put on a lotta weight-pre-and
post baby weight?


Lean Too@triefus

Shite is still shite and all these claims can be debunked - with clear scientific reasoning - it just takes longer


Wayne Slusher@slusher69

Explain to me why people think keto/low carb damages your kidneys?


The Punisher@MaleAlpha23

Haha Meat + stéroïds = Arnold



https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1173695553592598528

Dr Shawn Baker @SBakerMD

WHAT A JOKE! I guess we have been so brainwashed that we are now
stupid enough to believe that Arnold thinks that he could have achieved
what he did on a plant based diet!
Let’s examine this huge pile of steaming… https://instagram.com/p/B2fEzTKHztA/?igshid=1x77vmlnmqs7w

4:30 AM · Sep 17, 2019·Instagram


Christian Assad, MD@ChristianAssad

He'll be Back to Steak


Pink Gloves @JanuaryBabies01

Can't imagine that he was ever off it.


Jim Tassano@tembofly

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jFk-L7Wcg0g&t=405s

2:35 He says his favorite thing to cook is steak.
He's not vegan!


Chris Welsh@Clearchus7676

As he was my childhood idol this upsets me quite a bit.
Hopefully Sylvester Stallone still eats steak


~KJ⚡️STYLES~@FamousKJStyles

How much money does he flipping need? Gross!


WindTalker@nmlinguaphile

I guaranty there is a woman behind Arnold’s conversion!


S Craig Bryan CSCS@bodydr0613

Somewhere there is a big check. He still eats eggs and seafood and
doesn't have any idea what he's talking about. He didn't get the memo


YupItsMe@Thomasdiscerns

Arnold would love future body builders to be plant-based.
He'd never be surpassed by them.


Keiron Gidley@kezgidz

But egg, steaks and a slice of tomato, boosted with protein shake were
all that was available at the time, veggies hadn't been invented yet.


Steven E. Carpenter@_carpenter315

Arnie is two-faced. In an interview with Mens Health he espouses his vegetarian diet, but then explicitly states he loves his steak. No integrity.


Dave@Dave06031956

Hmmm must be shared..


Kryptohunter(714)@Kryptokid714




Hokusai@Hokushinsai

No marketing, please.


JsVBOSTON@JsVboston

I watched that yesterday!!! lol.
his heart surgery was probably only reasoning I could make from it!!!
but he's a voice that should be 4 real health +protiens..
but (he puts a raw egg including shell in his shake)??


OptionToWin@option_win

A bit silly indeed. Arnold is like Muhammad Ali or Sugar Ray Leonard.
Great athletes, but don’t ask them how they did it. When he competed, Arnold had super instincts, used lots of trial & error, & eventually succeeded.

John Cox, Jr.@jmcox68

It's a dangerous religion that blinds it's followers to they harm they're
doing themselves and the people they influence.


Jordan Ohler@JOhler_S3

Arnold’s legacy has survived politics and scandal. It won’t survive this.


Matt D@mtdisme

Vegetables and horse steroids. Lol


DJTalkTalk@arunashamal

To be fair. Arnie was on so much gear he could've eaten cardboard and
put on muscle


C Michelle Ray@Gardenstomper

He’ll wake up pretty soon ... maybe he’s getting senile.


Michael Fraylick@MFraylick

What a crock of ****!
Wtf is the world coming to! Good Lord

 

[boink!]

But but but climate change will cost us $100 billion...

 

[GGsg168]

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1173840630130171904

Dr Shawn Baker @SBakerMD

And yet another athlete tries the vegan experiment only to find out that
“Game changing” is not a good thing if you want a long career

2:06 PM · Sep 17, 2019·Twitter for iPhone



https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1173842576509554688

Dr Shawn Baker @SBakerMD

Damn, even dancing is too risky for those frail #veganbones
#gamechangered

https://instagram.com/p/B2gHqbhnugL/?igshid=mio0tz4hwewc

2:14 PM · Sep 17, 2019·Instagram

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/FructoseNo/status/1053758488801796096

Gary Fettke@FructoseNo

It's not as simple as removing #innocentcows.
Modelling predicts move to #plantbased not able to meet nutrient requirements of society.
Shift to grains would be disaster IMHO = obesity, diabetes,
insulin resistance, metabolic syndrome.
@luvscows612
http://pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2017/11/15/1707322114.full.pdf

5:22 AM · Oct 21, 2018·Twitter Web Client


Paul Welsh@paulwelsh1978

The claim that a plant-based diet is nutritionally deficient is intellectually dishonest.


Gary Fettke@FructoseNo

Dear Paul. Did you read the article or just sounding off?
Who's being intellectually dishonest now?


Paul Welsh@paulwelsh1978

“It is entirely possible to meet the nutrient requirements of individual
humans with carefully crafted, unsupplemented plant- based rations,
but this can be a challenge to achieve in practice for an entire population.” How so? “Carefully crafted”=Starches with fruits & vegetables


Amanda ZZ©@AmandaZZ100

"We do recommend to our patients a vitamin B12 supplement " get real
- of course its not nutritionally complete .
So bored with these Vegan lies now.


E@soaponaslope

There's also an awful lot of us with gastrointestinal issues that plants
make worse.

I don't want to live my life in pain.

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/Caveman_1975/status/1173477114361917440

Caveman1975@Caveman_1975

Going vegan made me lose weight and feel great, until I ended up
in hospital needing a blood transfusion – The Sun

Going vegan made me lose weight and feel great, until I ended up
in hospital needing a blood...
Tanya Mimpress, 46, is an artist and lives in Shoeburyness, Essex, with husband Brian, 48, a warehouse manager, and children Lily, 22, Eleanor, 18, Elizabeth, 15, and Eli, 10.
“As I writhed on my hospital bed with agonising cramps, the doctor explained I was at risk of heart failure.…"
thesun.co.uk

2:02 PM · Sep 16, 2019 from England, United Kingdom·Twitter for iPhone

https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/9911108/vegan-diet-almost-killed-me/

MEAT MY MAKER Going vegan made me lose weight and feel great, until I ended up in hospital needing a blood transfusion

Karen Pasquali Jones
15 Sep 2019, 0:30 Updated: 16 Sep 2019, 2:18

Tanya Mimpress, 46, is an artist and lives in Shoeburyness, Essex, with husband Brian, 48, a warehouse manager, and children Lily, 22, Eleanor, 18, Elizabeth, 15, and Eli, 10.

“As I writhed on my hospital bed with agonising cramps, the doctor explained I was at risk of heart failure.

Tanya Mimpress switched to a vegan diet in August 2017, by February 2018 she was diagnosed as severely anaemic and experiencing crippling pain

The team didn’t know what was causing it, but if I hadn’t come to hospital,
I could have died.

As I was given a life-saving blood transfusion, I couldn’t stop panicking
– I led a healthy vegan lifestyle, so what was wrong with me?

I’d decided to go vegetarian in 2014 after watching a documentary about the way animals were treated.

I didn’t eat much red meat, although I liked chicken and fish, but from then on I vowed to go veggie and stocked my kitchen with salads, pulses, legumes and cheese.

My skin glowed, my eyes sparkled and I looked 10 years younger.
Tanya Mimpress

I felt brilliant after that, with plenty of energy. But it always niggled that I was still eating dairy, so in August 2017 I went vegan.

I knew it would be hard, as I loved cheese and chocolate, but I was determined. I ditched butter and switched to soya milk, while the rest of the family – except my daughter Elizabeth, then 12 – stuck to eating meat and dairy.

I began to feel even better. My skin glowed, my eyes sparkled and I looked 10 years younger.

I also lost over 4st, going from 15st 7lb to 11st 3lb and from a size 22 to a 14 in six months. My asthma improved so much that I didn’t need to use my inhalers any more.

Tanya lost over 4st during the first six months of her vegan diet, going from a size 22 to a 14

But over the next six months I began feeling tired and my hair started thinning. A blood test in February 2018 showed I was severely anaemic.

Iron supplements make me constipated, so my doctor advised iron-rich food and I began eating leafy green veg every day.

But within 48 hours I was doubled over in pain with bloody diarrhoea. I rushed to A&E, where they said I had symptoms of bowel or ovarian cancer, and sent me for a scan – but nothing showed up.

My consultant suggested keeping a food diary to see if anything was triggering it.

I didn’t tell my family as I didn’t want to worry them.
Tanya Mimpress

The pain continued though, and I couldn’t leave the house as I’d need the toilet every half an hour. Over the months, my hair dulled, my skin grew sallow and I was breathless.

Not wanting to bother my GP, I told myself I needed more vitamins, so I’d pile my plate with green veg and chickpeas washed down with soya milk tea.

But I was still going to the toilet so much it was agony to sit down. I felt dizzy when I stood up and my heart would gallop.

I didn’t tell my family as I didn’t want to worry them, but after fainting in a shop in May this year, I dragged myself to the GP for more blood tests.

Tanya had become so severely anaemic her organs weren’t getting enough blood and were at risk of shutting down

By then, I’d eliminated so many foods from my diet, I was living on mash and soya milk tea. Two days later, the doctor phoned to tell me to go to hospital urgently.

I was so severely anaemic, my organs weren’t getting enough blood and were at risk of shutting down. It was at the hospital that I had my life-saving blood transfusions as well as an iron transfusion.

I mentioned my food diary, but doctors were too busy monitoring my vital signs to pay it attention.

I was given tests, including a colonoscopy, CT scan, biopsies of my intestines and analysis of my stools, which showed my intestines were severely inflamed.

My body couldn’t cope.
Tanya Mimpress

One week later, a doctor looked at my food diary and suspected I was allergic to soya, which is in lots of vegan food.

After eliminating and reintroducing it to my diet, we realised I was severely intolerant and it was making my intestines bleed, which had caused the clots and upset stomach. I’d probably always been allergic, but hadn’t really eaten much of it before I became vegan and soya formed most of my diet.

My body couldn’t cope – I wasn’t getting enough iron, and both problems combined to leave me so anaemic, I was admitted to hospital on the verge of organ failure.

A doctor told me to start eating meat immediately. The thought of it was revolting, but my family begged me and I knew it was the only way to get better.

So in May, I sat at the dining table with a steak in front of me and cried as I ate it. I’ve eaten steak most days since, and doctors have worked out I’m intolerant to kidney beans, chickpeas and green beans – the main foods I’d been living on as a vegan.

I’m slowly recovering. I’m not as tired and have stopped feeling faint as the iron I’m getting from meat is more easily absorbed than from veg. I don’t want to eat meat, but I don’t have a choice, and I need to be around for my family.”



Play Video
Former vegan who now follows the Carnivore Diet reveals her two-year-old also eats raw brains and liver for dinner

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/DiscoStew66/status/1173891749040672768

DiscoStew@DiscoStew66

Dear Harvard, I think he means you...

“A reliable way to make people believe in falsehoods is frequent repetition,
because familiarity is not easily distinguished from truth.
Authoritarian institutions and marketers have always known this fact.”
Professor Daniel Kahneman


Quote Tweet
Harvard Health@HarvardHealth
Sep 16

The takeaway: Eat more poultry, fish, or plant-based proteins.
http://bit.ly/2zRVRX7 #HarvardHealth

5:29 PM · Sep 17, 2019·Twitter for iPad


Dave@Dave06031956

Lol..hmmm who’s this Havard? They lost their marbles since the
coconut oil saga..


Robert Mauri@patentbobm

Way before that, think hormone replacement therapy, for instance.


Black Pill Fitness@RP_Fit

you got something against fish ?


Kirk Wolak@KirkWolak

Notice how rare that steak is, as well...

Fine for me, but my father, wife, and daughter would be kinda disgusted by it.


Marc Hagebusch DC@MarcHagebuschDC

The picture looks delicious!

 

[kaypohchee]

https://twitter.com/ChristianAssad/status/1174324154956439553

Christian Assad, MD@ChristianAssad

Would you take your car to be fixed by a tennis player, actor/actress, musician, TV host? HELL NO right?

Well, the same applies to your #health Don't listen to their propaganda!

10:07 PM · Sep 18, 2019·Twitter for Android


Nancy Jacobs@NancyJ1820

Good point!


World Edge@WorldEdgeDG

What to do when MDs are the ones doing it?

Just walk away? Legit question.


Steak and Optimism@SteakBased

As in, don’t take vegan diet advice from @Schwarzenegger...