learning japanese

[ahmahippo]

what you guys used to type jap words?

 

[Niaoson]

microsoft can type jap one. like type chinese liddat

 

[dimitri_can]

Niaoson さんはまだ寝ていないですね。ははは

 

[kjaskk]

Pre-Advanced course at Ikoma

Thank you to everyone here for sharing your views and experiences in your journey in learning the Japanese Language. Your advices have definitely helped me in avoiding many unproductive paths in my own journey in learning Japanese.

I would want to enrol in Ikoma for the pre-advanced course starting next month Dec 09.
Do you know of any good teacher conducting pre-advanced course? Please let me know.

Cheers

 

[ahmahippo]

Hi all, there is something i am unsure of.

many of u able to read those japanese words rite, may I know how do you "convert" them to the words you understand eg: english.


eg: さんはまだ寝ていないですね。ははは to english?

wat i am trying to say is, are these words able to find in eg:

Romaji, Hiragana, Katakana, Kanji?

Coz i look at my basic book, cant find them one lol.

 

[Niaoson]

uhm very hard to explain. is not convert convert then become english one. there are grammar structures to understand. u cannot say "XXX" means "YYY" in english then u just memorise by heart

 

[ahmahippo]

ah... like this very hard to understand

 

[PingJun]

Thank you to everyone here for sharing your views and experiences in your journey in learning the Japanese Language. Your advices have definitely helped me in avoiding many unproductive paths in my own journey in learning Japanese.

I would want to enrol in Ikoma for the pre-advanced course starting next month Dec 09.
Do you know of any good teacher conducting pre-advanced course? Please let me know.

Cheers

I am also enrolling for Pre-Advance Course after JLPT 3 exam.....

My advice to you is, if you want to enrol, it is better to pay the course fees by 20 Nov 08.

 

[PingJun]

Hi, Everybody.

Although I am going to take JLPT 3 exam, I still find that I am a bit confused on は and が.

E.G. あれはほてる and あれがほてる....

What is the difference between these 2 sentences?

P.S. ほてる = Hotel [I am unable to key katakana].....

 

[kjaskk]

I remembered Terraj gave a very good explanation previously.

The use of は and が is also confusing for me before because I was trying to use English Language to understand Japanese Language. There is no perfect equivalent in the English Language in this instance.

は is a topic marker. It defined the topic under discussion in the context.
Supposing we are walking together and we saw a building far away from us.
I asked "What is that?" "あれは何ですか."

We both know that we are talking about that building. "That building" is the topic being discussed.

You replied, "That is a hotel."あれはホテルです." So now I know that that building is a hotel.


が is a subject marker. It defined the subject of the sentence.
Now again suppose we are walking together and we saw many buildings in front of us.
At that time I am looking for a hotel to check-in. You also know that I am looking for a hotel.

I asked, "Which is a hotel?" "どれがホテルですか."

You replied, "That is a hotel" pointing to a building far away from us. "あれがホテルです."
The subject is that building over there, あれ. So now I know that that building over there is a hotel

Why such a long story? Because unlike English, Japanese is a very contextual language. The meaning in the sentences can only be fully understood only if you know the context where they are being used.

Hi, Everybody.

Although I am going to take JLPT 3 exam, I still find that I am a bit confused on は and が.

E.G. あれはほてる and あれがほてる....

What is the difference between these 2 sentences?

P.S. ほてる = Hotel [I am unable to key katakana].....

 

[ahmahippo]

it sound harder than english

 

[Ah_keong]

Just curious, so does that mean our friends took the written test for BJT in Singapore and then flew to Tokyo to take the practical? o-o;

our friends??

i don get u sia...

u can take the BJT test in singapore...

practical test i think is not necessary to go tokyo and take...

 

[Ah_keong]

I remembered Terraj gave a very good explanation previously.

The use of は and が is also confusing for me before because I was trying to use English Language to understand Japanese Language. There is no perfect equivalent in the English Language in this instance.

は is a topic marker. It defined the topic under discussion in the context.
Supposing we are walking together and we saw a building far away from us.
I asked "What is that?" "あれは何ですか."

We both know that we are talking about that building. "That building" is the topic being discussed.

You replied, "That is a hotel."あれはホテルです." So now I know that that building is a hotel.


が is a subject marker. It defined the subject of the sentence.
Now again suppose we are walking together and we saw many buildings in front of us.
At that time I am looking for a hotel to check-in. You also know that I am looking for a hotel.

I asked, "Which is a hotel?" "どれがホテルですか."

You replied, "That is a hotel" pointing to a building far away from us. "あれがホテルです."
The subject is that building over there, あれ. So now I know that that building over there is a hotel

Why such a long story? Because unlike English, Japanese is a very contextual language. The meaning in the sentences can only be fully understood only if you know the context where they are being used.

yah...

i also sometimes confused when 2 use which... when the context becomes complex...

my jap friend said that in short:

wa = "to stress the topic"

ga = "to introduce the subject"..

hee hee hee... till now i only understand 85% how 2 use...

 

[dimitri_can]

Easy... I always use this example to talk about this.

Imagine you have a textbook called Japanese.

Inside the textbook, there are several topics, like Self Introduction, etc.

Wa->Japanese

Ga->Self Introduction.

 

[Elfenx]

HOugang Jap School

Let's face it. The school is only there to facilitate learning. You have to work hard yourself to be able to speak well and do well. If you ask me, go for a balanced school like Hougang Japanese Language School (in Hougang) or Ikoma, when u till JLPT 3 level then go to Ikoma for their prep class.

Syllabus will change from 2010 onwards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JLPT

Hi, taking JLPT3 too. Havent start prep at all!!
Took all my lessons in hougang jap sch, just done with advanced, but i find that i'm still really weak at listening and speaking. When you mentioned it's a balanced sch, what do you mean? I did not go thru the round of sch selection before i joined HJS, was recommended by a friend, found that it offers the cheapest rate so signed up for it.

Just for everyone's benefit, I wouldn't recommend this sch (or my sensei) if u are the exam oriented type of student. But I like it coz there is no stress, probably might translate into 'not good' by some. Sensei doesnt force us to communicate - which is what i really fear - or ans qns which we said we dont have an ans for. The pace there is comfortable, grammar (sentence struc) forms the basis of the teaching, vocab we have to memorize ourselves. I'd recommend this sch to those who prefer a comfortable learning envt, not listening / communication intensive, more independent learning.

Any advice on how to start revision for JLPT 3 within 1 month?
BTW, is there a fixed grammar and vocab list that we have to come prepared with?

 

[fox1]

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2005/02/the-difference-between-and/

Difference between GA and HA

 

[nil jardin]

yeah, Kanai san is a very good teacher

agreed!

 

[nil jardin]

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2005/02/the-difference-between-and/

Difference between GA and HA

我々は日常特に意識することなく「は」と「が」の使い分けを行っています。しかしこの「は」と「が」の使い分けは、
いざそのすべてを説明するとなると専門家の間でも議論となるような複雑な問題をはらんでいます。
とはいえ、基本的な使い方はさほど難しいものではありません。ここでは細かい問題には言及せずに、
「は」と「が」のもっとも基本的な違いを見ることにします。

　文には大きく分けて、名詞を述語とした「名詞文」、形容詞（イ形容詞）や形容動詞（ナ形容詞）を述語とした「形容詞文」
および動詞を述語とした「動詞文」があります。具体的には次の通りです。

　　佐藤さんは社長だ。（名詞文）
　　佐藤さんはやさしい。（形容詞文）
　　佐藤さんが来た。（動詞文）

　さて、これらの文ではいずれも主語が「佐藤さん」ですが、名詞文と形容詞文は主語が「は」で示されているのに対し、
動詞文では主語が「が」で示されていることに気が付きます。このように、通常「は」は名詞文および形容詞文の主語を
提示し、「が」は動詞文の主語を提示するという違いがあります。

　また先の例は「は」と「が」を入れ替えることも出来ますが、その場合は解釈が異なり、特別な意味を持つように
なってきます。

　　佐藤さんが社長だ。（名詞文）
　　佐藤さんがやさしい。（形容詞文）
　　佐藤さんは来た。（動詞文）

名詞文や形容詞文の主語に「が」を付けると、「社長なのは誰ですか？」、「やさしいのはどの人ですか？」といった
疑問への答えや、「他のどの人でもなく佐藤さんこそ」が「社長」であったり「やさしい」という解釈になります。
つまりこの場合は他の人物を排除して、ある人物を特定するような解釈となります。一方、動詞文の主語に「は」を
つけた場合「他の人は来なかったが、佐藤さんは来た」のように他の人物を排除するような解釈となります。

　ここで挙げた例は「は」と「が」の使い分けの一部であり、また使われる場面によって例外もありますが、
ここでの違いは以下のようにまとめられます。

　　１）通常は、名詞文・形容詞文の主語は「は」、動詞文の主語は「が」で示す。
　　２）名詞文・形容詞文の主語を「が」、動詞文の主語を「は」で示すと、他を排除して該当者を特定するような解釈となる。

※ALCより　長くてすみません、でもこれが一番いい説明と思っています。♡(*'-^)

 

[dimitri_can]

My replies in blue

Hi, taking JLPT3 too. Havent start prep at all!!
Took all my lessons in hougang jap sch, just done with advanced, but i find that i'm still really weak at listening and speaking. When you mentioned it's a balanced sch, what do you mean? I did not go thru the round of sch selection before i joined HJS, was recommended by a friend, found that it offers the cheapest rate so signed up for it.

->Yup. It's the cheapest apart from JCS

Just for everyone's benefit, I wouldn't recommend this sch (or my sensei) if u are the exam oriented type of student. But I like it coz there is no stress, probably might translate into 'not good' by some. Sensei doesnt force us to communicate - which is what i really fear - or ans qns which we said we dont have an ans for. The pace there is comfortable, grammar (sentence struc) forms the basis of the teaching, vocab we have to memorize ourselves. I'd recommend this sch to those who prefer a comfortable learning envt, not listening / communication intensive, more independent learning.

->Agreed. If you are not the exam oriented type... There's no stress.

Btw, who's ur sensei?

->I've got something to say about the communication part. In class, there's only 4 hours for u to study the grammer, vocab and conversation portion for you. You have to make the extra effort to converse. For me, i sing Japanese songs in karaoke, speak to Japanese in their language... Yea... You just have to make the extra effort.

Any advice on how to start revision for JLPT 3 within 1 month?
BTW, is there a fixed grammar and vocab list that we have to come prepared with?

->Dropped you a PM on this already.

 

[dimitri_can]

我々は日常特に意識することなく「は」と「が」の使い分けを行っています。しかしこの「は」と「が」の使い分けは、
いざそのすべてを説明するとなると専門家の間でも議論となるような複雑な問題をはらんでいます。
とはいえ、基本的な使い方はさほど難しいものではありません。ここでは細かい問題には言及せずに、
「は」と「が」のもっとも基本的な違いを見ることにします。

　文には大きく分けて、名詞を述語とした「名詞文」、形容詞（イ形容詞）や形容動詞（ナ形容詞）を述語とした「形容詞文」
および動詞を述語とした「動詞文」があります。具体的には次の通りです。

　　佐藤さんは社長だ。（名詞文）
　　佐藤さんはやさしい。（形容詞文）
　　佐藤さんが来た。（動詞文）

　さて、これらの文ではいずれも主語が「佐藤さん」ですが、名詞文と形容詞文は主語が「は」で示されているのに対し、
動詞文では主語が「が」で示されていることに気が付きます。このように、通常「は」は名詞文および形容詞文の主語を
提示し、「が」は動詞文の主語を提示するという違いがあります。

　また先の例は「は」と「が」を入れ替えることも出来ますが、その場合は解釈が異なり、特別な意味を持つように
なってきます。

　　佐藤さんが社長だ。（名詞文）
　　佐藤さんがやさしい。（形容詞文）
　　佐藤さんは来た。（動詞文）

名詞文や形容詞文の主語に「が」を付けると、「社長なのは誰ですか？」、「やさしいのはどの人ですか？」といった
疑問への答えや、「他のどの人でもなく佐藤さんこそ」が「社長」であったり「やさしい」という解釈になります。
つまりこの場合は他の人物を排除して、ある人物を特定するような解釈となります。一方、動詞文の主語に「は」を
つけた場合「他の人は来なかったが、佐藤さんは来た」のように他の人物を排除するような解釈となります。

　ここで挙げた例は「は」と「が」の使い分けの一部であり、また使われる場面によって例外もありますが、
ここでの違いは以下のようにまとめられます。

　　１）通常は、名詞文・形容詞文の主語は「は」、動詞文の主語は「が」で示す。
　　２）名詞文・形容詞文の主語を「が」、動詞文の主語を「は」で示すと、他を排除して該当者を特定するような解釈となる。

※ALCより　長くてすみません、でもこれが一番いい説明と思っています。♡(*'-^)

じゃ。。。英語でお願いします。

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