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dimitri_can -
Page 8 is meant to be conversation practice. You replace the 「イーです」 with 「サントス」

Ah, I see, so that's why.

Private teachers who aren't attached to schools are cheaper, but of course, the qualifications will also be different.

I see, and yeah.

It's a bit different... See below. Some will go up, some will come down. :)

Yeah, I know. You weren't getting my point. I meant that it's natural and not crucial nor difficult in learning pronunciation.
Although, your example did help me learn Kanji, haha =P Thanks!

Wow, you must have spent tons on all those books! I spotted the N5 mock test book, . . .which I find too expensive lol.

haato89 -
Haha you don't need to read the chinese lol the paper itself is in Japanese I skipped the chinese instructions lol btw i don't think there are any english instructions in the actual jlpt paper

Are you sure?? Imagine not being able to read anything on the cover, I was at the store again and browsed through the books, and it had a couple paragraphs of instructions in Chinese. I don't even know what the cover said, like . . . grammar or whatever . . .

Yeah, I saw the actual JLPT, the more expensive mock test but the thing is, there isn't a whole bunch of Chinese there to confuse me. And, I think not much instructions in the first place.

Lol I would prefer to learn Japanese in English though which is why I've been hesistant to join the Taiwanese lady

Ohhh? Really?

I prefer learning in English too and wouldn't want to waste a single cent paying someone whose going to speak in Chinese for me to be all ??? even for a sec lol haha. But, yeah, I'm curious as to why you prefer English.
 

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Yeah, I know. You weren't getting my point. I meant that it's natural and not crucial nor difficult in learning pronunciation.
Although, your example did help me learn Kanji, haha =P Thanks!

This may be useful for you.

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Exam date - 1 July 2012, Sunday
Registration period - 12 March to 5 April 2012
Application form - $2 each
N1, N2, N3 - $65
N4, N5 - $55

edit: Link to JLPT info on JCS website
The Japanese Cultural Society-Singapore

JLPT registration started yesterday! :s12:
Quoted the info from a few pages back in case anyone missed it. :)

Gonna go buy JLPT books this Sunday at Kino. Any recommendations for N3/N2? (still not decided which one to take...)
 

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JLPT registration started yesterday! :s12:
Quoted the info from a few pages back in case anyone missed it. :)

Gonna go buy JLPT books this Sunday at Kino. Any recommendations for N3/N2? (still not decided which one to take...)
i'll pm u some good books.
 

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Like to share some of my Jap Learning Experience & Thoughts (from JCS and Hougang Japanese School)

Hi everybody,

Nice to find such a wonderful thread here.

I like to share some experience of myself learning Japanese and give some insight on Hougang Japanese Language school since i find theres not much info given about the school for people to know.

I studied some basic and intermediate Japanese from JCS many years back but gave up because my japanese teachers left and they were replaced by a mainland chinese. He taught using Mandarin and naturally i wasnt able to follow and stopped attending lessons.

I put my attention on other commitments such as poly, NS, and uni studies but I still felt a strong interest in Japanese culture and part of me felt regret plus some guilt toward my Jap teachers for not completing the language. Back then, I was the youngest boy in my jap class and my jap teachers treated me well. Now i wonder are they doing fine, were they affected by the quake of last year ?

So now I have decided to embrace studying the language again and I am determined to take it to the very end.

Also, i have a strong urge to work & stay overseas. I hope being multi-lingual in English, Mandarin and Japanese with a Bachelors degree will give me some leadway to doing so.

However, all these years of not practising the language has taken its toll, I had to start all over from basics. I am currently studying in Hougang Japanese Langauge School in their Elementary School class.

I really like studying there because they are not profit oriented. The class sizes are not big, so students get more attention from the teacher, fees are very cheap, textbooks and worksheets are really detailed.

They are using Nihongo no Kiso for the past 30 years and have not changed the syllabus ever !! However, whats good about their syllabus is that its really step by step. As long as you take notes and follow the class, you will never get lost.

When you forget, you can always refer back your notes and sheets to refresh, thats the good part. Really contrasted with JCS when they just dump everything at you and for the most part you have to figure it out for yourself. Hougang makes learning japanese easy.

Hougang really builds up your foundation. Thats why you may find you need to take 4 levels of classes with them before they encourage to take only JLPT N5.

Despite these advantages, it is not without its cons too. One major flaw Hougang has is it really has a lack of frequency of classes. Most levels they provide only has 1 lesson per week. You can expect one level to drag on several months before you complete it. I only registered with Hougang because one of their elementary 1 class had a rarity of conducting lessons 3 times a week.

The elementary 2 level I am taking now has twice a week classes. Thats my bare minimum cos i feel once a week lessons really take too long to complete and you simply forget and lack practice if lessons are too stretched out.

Another major, major flaw of Hougang Japanese School is that classes for higher levels such as advanced are scarce. The school often need to wait to have enough students to enrol before opening a class. So after you complete a level, you may find yourself waiting weeks or even months before the school gathers enough students to open a class for your following level. Not Good.

The bulk of the classes they provide are concentrated at the JLPT N5 level and anything beyond that, classes are really limited.

So unless your schedule fits with the school, and you dont mind taking a long time just to finish a level, if not Hougang Japanese School is not the Japanese school for you.

But the most redeeming factor for the school is they really put the welfare of students at heart. Take my case for example. I feel that having classes once or twice a week, the progress is really too slow. Because I had already some foundation in the language, I feel my study progress of the language is hampered by other students in the class, and the time spent learning is constrained with what is taught for that level. Switching to other schools dont help because the study progress is still long and other schools charge much higher for their fees.

I am not getting any younger so I want to learn the language in the most efficient manner of time. The only way to do is to engage a private tutor. But having a private tutor for Japanese will be much more expensive than studying in schools.

Fortunately after much preserverance, I managed to locate a private tutor who is willing to coach me at a very cheap rate. I will have one on one tuleage with 4-6 hours weekly as compared to 3 hrs lesson weekly in a class. My progress will be 2-4 times quicker than those in a class for almost the same rate I am paying for Hougang Japanese School now !!

But i cant be disclosing details about my Jap tutor here since I am currently his only pupil and i want him to put his full attention to coaching me for JLPT =P

Anyway, I wanted to start lessons with my private tutor asap, however he is currently away on a work trip to Japan and will only be back in May. So tentatively, so as to not hinder my study progress, I am studying with Hougang til my tutor comes back in May. But the classes for my level only ends in June, yet I dont want to waste time. I am in the midst of finding a new job also, so I dun know if I can attend the full class til June.

Hougang knows I will be jumping ship and instead of getting me to stay with them, what they did for me was, they actually made an arrangement with me for me to make payment by the number of classes I attend. That way I can maximise my learning and yet avoid paying extra for lessons I do not go for. I cant recall any other japanese school actually allows students to do that. You have to pay for the full course fees for other Japanese schools regardless you attend all their lessons or not.

So all in all, Hougang is a great school for you to consider especially if you are just a beginner. $190 for 40 hour Japanese lessons is really too good a deal to find anywhere. You wont get to lose out even if you find you do not benefit from their classes.

I am eager to start my private lessons and I will come back to post about my study progress from time to time.

I hope to know more who are enthusiastic in learning the Japanese language like me, maybe we can organize learning sessions together to come to practise and share notes together. Thanks for reading !! =)
 

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I personally think that Hougang is a good school as well. I studied under the principal for about 1 year till N4 before i jumped ship.

Btw, price of Beginner 1 has increased to $210. I guess it's the economy hike... =(

Hougang Japanese Language School in Singapore

One piece of advice, if you want to speed up the process of studying, make sure you also have more time to do self study. I have seen a lot of cases that people want to study fast, but no time to do revision, they end up getting more confused as they work their way up. =)
 

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It is 210 inclusive of textbook and registration fees.

Since i will be engaging a private tutor, my tutor and I will definitely be engaging in a lot of practise. He will keep track of my progress and not let me fall behind.

However, I do have a problem with what textbook or assessment books I should be getting.

My tutor and I are thinking of using Nihongo no Kiso since its what i've been learning on and more or less its the bible for Japanese studies.

However the kyokasho Hougang is using now is the san ju nen mae ni, furui one, which is out of print everywhere.

The funny thing is Hougang itself does not have the full textbook although its the one they have been teaching for so many years. They broken up the original text into smaller textbooks catered for their each level of study, so if i want the full book, either I purchase the smaller textbooks one by one and combine them together to make up the full textbook, which will work out to be quite a cost, or I can explore using Shin Nihongo no Kiso, which is readily available.

But i remember my senseh mentioned before that shin nihongo no kiso is not so good for learning. I guess that is probably the case, if not Hougang would have since switched to teach using the new text, rather than continue using the old text for so many years.

So I'm kind of in a dilemma here, whether to get the original textbooks, or simply just get Shin Nihongo no Kiso. I certainly will appreciate some advice anybody here can give me regarding what text / assessment books to get.

Domo arigatou gozaimasu ~~~
 
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You can try Minna no Nihongo, which is a sister publication of Shin Nihongo no Kiso. The topics presented are almost the same, just that Minna no Nihongo has more vocabulary to memorize in every chapter.

I'll send u the list of chapters that they study in Minna no Nihongo via pm. =)
 
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Are you sure?? Imagine not being able to read anything on the cover, I was at the store again and browsed through the books, and it had a couple paragraphs of instructions in Chinese. I don't even know what the cover said, like . . . grammar or whatever . . .

Yeah, I saw the actual JLPT, the more expensive mock test but the thing is, there isn't a whole bunch of Chinese there to confuse me. And, I think not much instructions in the first place.

Well for a start I wasn't asking you to -browse- the entire section and I simply pointed out a single book of 5 mock tests. Just ignore the lines of chinese. You don't really need instructions the test structure is quite standard especially if you look at the JLPT website haha. If you can't read the Japanese instructions then lol you probably aren't ready for the mock test.

Ohhh? Really?

I prefer learning in English too and wouldn't want to waste a single cent paying someone whose going to speak in Chinese for me to be all ??? even for a sec lol haha. But, yeah, I'm curious as to why you prefer English.

I'm curious as to why you would assume that people who can speak Chinese would prefer Chinese. :D there are people who are fairly comfortable in both languages and prefer to learn in English....ever wondered why all other subjects apart from Chinese (and the 3rd languages) are taught in English here?
 

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If you fail by 5 marks, you should revise your N5 stuff. It usually means your foundation is shaky. So when you move on to N4, it becomes hard on you.

If you are willing, i am willing to give you free tuition for 2 hours to help you revise your N5 stuff. (^_^)

But timing wise, might be either very early or very late...

Let me know. I always believe in sharing as much as possible. =)

hmmmm... I only remember I have lots of difficulty doing the vocab section in the paper. Most of the vocab tested I am not sure what does it means...
 

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hmmmm... I only remember I have lots of difficulty doing the vocab section in the paper. Most of the vocab tested I am not sure what does it means...
Vocabulary is something that is quite funny.

You need time to memorize...
 

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Haha...Hougang Japanese school... So many senpais 先輩 and kouhais 後輩 here.Haha... I started learning my japanese in HJS too. The price was cheap and the teaching was good. Never regret studying there.

Dun worry about the textbooks so much. You can't learn all the japanese from textbooks alone. Try watching animes/dramas/shows to accelerate your learning.
 

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Well for a start I wasn't asking you to -browse- the entire section and I simply pointed out a single book of 5 mock tests. Just ignore the lines of chinese. You don't really need instructions the test structure is quite standard especially if you look at the JLPT website haha. If you can't read the Japanese instructions then lol you probably aren't ready for the mock test.



I'm curious as to why you would assume that people who can speak Chinese would prefer Chinese. :D there are people who are fairly comfortable in both languages and prefer to learn in English....ever wondered why all other subjects apart from Chinese (and the 3rd languages) are taught in English here?

Actually if you undestand chinese, it does help to clear many doubts that english may not be able to explain. Since Japanese language has some of its origins in Chinese, many Japanese vocabs have a chinese equivalent.

For example both 真理 (shinri) and 真実 (shinjitsu) mean truth in english. If you understand Chinese, it is much easier to differentiate between the two (especially for JLPT questions).

I am not afraid to admit that because I know Chinese, I had a much easier time at JLPT 1 and 2 since more than 1/2 of the JLPT papers are in Kanjis . :s13:
 

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Actually if you undestand chinese, it does help to clear many doubts that english may not be able to explain. Since Japanese language has some of its origins in Chinese, many Japanese vocabs have a chinese equivalent.

For example both 真理 (shinri) and 真実 (shinjitsu) mean truth in english. If you understand Chinese, it is much easier to differentiate between the two (especially for JLPT questions).

I am not afraid to admit that because I know Chinese, I had a much easier time at JLPT 1 and 2 since more than 1/2 of the JLPT papers are in Kanjis .

Yes it may be easier to differentiate between certain kanjis if one understands Chinese, but I was referring to the general learning process and not limited to just kanji. E.g. I find the English ver of MNN's grammar and translation book much easier to refer to than the Chinese ver simply because I've had more exposure to English and most of us learn non-Chinese subjects in English. I think that's a reason why most schools teach using English and some tutors have mentioned that if they used Chinese to teach most students would have run away.

And haha I'm not afraid to admit that my Chinese is pretty ok having done Chinese Literature at both O and A levels. :)) It's just that I've been learning stuff with English for 80% of my sch subjects from Pri to JC level.
 

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Hi all,

i think learning Japanese is not just learning about the language, about also bout the culture, the people and the places.

Today, i'll like to introduce Chuukagai that is in Yokohama.
It's in Yokohama's ishikawa cho.
There are a lot of shops selling Chinese food. There are lots of Chinese food like Xiaolongbao、Shengjian mantou, etc.
At the back of Chuukagai, there is a restaurant by the name of (醉楼)Suirou, there is this set lunch (Happy Lunch) at 980yen, which is my recommendation.
The next time, when you are in Japan, do go to the lively Chinatown to eat Chinese Food.
Wara china!

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Today i went to JCS to take forms for my students only to find out this great news.

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You will need to set a 8 digit password to retrieve the results online.
What a great piece of news for the weekend. (^_^)
 

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But dont let that discourage you. Learning a new language is a long journey, and if it was so easy - there wouldn't be a sense of satisfaction when you get there.

There are conversational courses that are taught in language schools, and also intensive 5 times a week classes catered to full-time learners. Look for dimitri_can , he knows a lot about the individual courses in individual schools. :s7:

However, its still a good idea to go with the JLPT syllabus even though you don't intend to take them. Learn the relevant grammar and vocabulary at each level in progression. It keeps you focused.

One must have a strong foundation in JLPT3 and JLPT4 grammar even if one only wants to be able to converse. A person who has a perfect grasp of basic grammar but with limited vocabulary will impress people more than one who knows difficult words but has a shaky grammar foundation.
Was looking through all the work i was doing in this forum when i found it to be very meaningful...

"A person who has a perfect grasp of basic grammar but with limited vocabulary will impress people more than one who knows difficult words but has a shaky grammar foundation."
 

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hey wanted to ask for advice... been reading Japanese for several (6~) years until it's pretty comfortable to me... only thing is I have not taken any class ever since my beginner years ago... So everything I know is 'chapalang'... esp grammar

My sources have pretty much been from watching nicovideo, japanese forums (2ch), and watching TV programmes raw (anime or just general stuff)... I do chat in Japanese on a Japanese friend's forum...

But I'm damn well aware what I know is only useful for everyday stuff as it's filled with net lingo and I want to train myself up to at least N2 standard after my Uni, so I can utilise the skill eventually...

dimitri_can got any advice how I should take this path?
 

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Hmm, looking at your situation. Since right now you are lacking in grammar. Suggest you get a private teacher to help you to set things straight.... School might be a bit overkill for you... unless u don't mind starting slow...
 

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oh, any tips on finding one?

No idea how to find private teachers..

Yeah I also don't think the standard school syllabus will be suited for me, thanks!
 
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