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Free screen replacement is quite a gimmick.
How many ppl do u know personally who actually broke their screens?
I dont even know a single person.
 

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Free screen replacement is quite a gimmick.
How many ppl do u know personally who actually broke their screens?
I dont even know a single person.

I actually hope to get a free screen replacement gimmick than freebies like free screen protector or pb. U see iphone so many people get the applecare as is cheaper to pay for repairing cracked screen + warranty :o If not, i don't think applecare is worth to get at all since their phone is very long lasting. My sis accidentally dropped her iphone 6+ while walking and taking out from her handbag, and tempered glass cracked instead of the real screen. Also have another friend with spidery screen on his very antique samsung, very common leh, how can u not known of anyone with cracked screen. :s22:

Best is my close friend has dropped and shattered many smartphones from iphone5, S5, Sony Z3... only xiaomi surviving. Some with case, some without. I think it isn't a gimmick once you drop your phone facedown. Lucky i never drop higher from waist height :o Duno if smartphone insurance will up her premium anot :s13:

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Don't mistaken, idk any of them personally :s22:
 

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Don't quote me on this, but this is my understanding. A wider aperture lets in more light, which allows the camera to go for a faster shutter speed and/or a lower ISO. Meaning image capture will be faster and with less motion blur, and if you go for lower ISO the shots will look less noisy/grainy. Either way, this helps to take better photographs. Same applies for low light.

As Andrew Martonik from Androidcentral puts it:
"In photography, light is the currency you use to buy good photos. Even with other limitations like small sensors and lenses — like the ones in our smartphones — taken into account, you can always take a better photo with more light."

So more light is always nicer if you ask me.

The downside? Softer focus? If that can even be considered a downside. The wider the aperture, the less things will be in focus. You know those bokeh effect where the front object is sharp and the rear objects are blurry? That. Whereas for a smaller aperture, more things will be in focus and the background will be less blur. Just like how sometimes people squint their eyes to see things clearer. So for taking photos of landscape, a smaller aperture is prefer cause it will look sharper.

From Wiki:
"If an aperture is narrow, then highly collimated rays are admitted, resulting in a sharp focus at the image plane. If an aperture is wide, then uncollimated rays are admitted, resulting in a sharp focus only for rays with a certain focal length."
I c. I think u mean the macro shots eh. Like the foreground is sharp but background blurred. I don't mind leh. At night if don't need those software optimized night modes, is quite good for me liao. :D I'll just shoot with auto mode all the way coz I'm not really into the manual controls. ;)

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I c. I think u mean the macro shots eh. Like the foreground is sharp but background blurred. I don't mind leh. At night if don't need those software optimized night modes, is quite good for me liao. :D I'll just shoot with auto mode all the way coz I'm not really into the manual controls. ;)

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this is a nice example.

Depth_of_Field_Tutorial.jpg


http://photographywisdom.com/understanding-depth-of-field-for-the-beginner-photographer-1182.html

But of course in mobile the difference wont be that drastic cause the differences are tiny. Also it's not just the aperture too, the sensor, image processor, the lens, all plays a part too. But to me, most important thing in mobile is software.

If you ask me, I think 0.1 isn't going to be a huge difference on camera modules this small... but what do i know. haha. Maybe when it comes out i'll see if i have a chance to test it out.

Anyway, camera is something that is hardware dependant in a sense. A tiny camera module like on phones will always lose to a point and shoot of the same generation (don't talk about point and shoot from 10 years ago la, lol). So software optimisation, good image processing, can make up for a lot of hardware compromises. Like even on the iPhone 6 without OIS, the camera still does well with digital stabilisation and optimisation. At this point, most modern smartphone is "good enough" to replace normal point and shoot for the casual user.

totally agree with your auto mode comment. I also shoot in auto mode most of the time even though I am okay with manual mode. I only use manual mode if i have to, or if the situation allows me to use it to capture a better/unique shot.

On a phone, i think usability is important. Like on the S6 or iPhone, there is no need to change to night mode, landscape mode, portrait mode, or whatsoever. The camera automatically takes care of everything and lets you capture a good image with as little hassle as possible. LG needs to have a good auto mode too if it wants to compete in the camera race.

Having manual camera controls isn't anything new in android now that we have Lollipop's camera2 api. if they have a bad auto mode, most people are going to end up with bad looking images because not everyone is familiar with or can be bothered with manual controls. But if they have a good auto mode, everyone who uses the camera is going to end up with good looking images.
 
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I think it has quite a few... like Pro, Flex, Beat and their G flagship + other variants market. Of course SS worse la, big small medium every size also have. :s22: Not so good as prices won't hold for long. Apple also another one having 2 different choices, so it may seem like a norm to have 2 at least.



Haha no no, the official launch date is 29th May! :s12:



I like how Andrew Martonik put the aperture theory across photography. That's why I have high expectations of LG G4's wide f/1.8 lens, lol. Hope it doesn't disappoint and they have engaged good software engineers to max out the lens potential. :s12:

Sick of taking lousy night photos, very grainy while turning flash on makes Casper faces :s22:



True, our size quite small % to Korea market. At least the price range is reasonable enough. Haha, still cannot get over the fact that Koreans have free screen replacement for one year. :p Coz I saw some hwz forummers posting their LG screen cracked and repair not cheap. :crazy:
Btw how do you know the May 29th date? Is it because of the HWZ launch event? That one had a typo in the date--it's now changed to April 29.
 

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Btw how do you know the May 29th date? Is it because of the HWZ launch event? That one had a typo in the date--it's now changed to April 29.

Only Korea is launching on 28th April.

Singapore consperm is 29th May launch! :s12:
See below :o

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this is a nice example.

Depth_of_Field_Tutorial.jpg


http://photographywisdom.com/understanding-depth-of-field-for-the-beginner-photographer-1182.html

But of course in mobile the difference wont be that drastic cause the differences are tiny. Also it's not just the aperture too, the sensor, image processor, the lens, all plays a part too. But to me, most important thing in mobile is software.

If you ask me, I think 0.1 isn't going to be a huge difference on camera modules this small... but what do i know. haha. Maybe when it comes out i'll see if i have a chance to test it out.

Anyway, camera is something that is hardware dependant in a sense. A tiny camera module like on phones will always lose to a point and shoot of the same generation (don't talk about point and shoot from 10 years ago la, lol). So software optimisation, good image processing, can make up for a lot of hardware compromises. Like even on the iPhone 6 without OIS, the camera still does well with digital stabilisation and optimisation. At this point, most modern smartphone is "good enough" to replace normal point and shoot for the casual user.

totally agree with your auto mode comment. I also shoot in auto mode most of the time even though I am okay with manual mode. I only use manual mode if i have to, or if the situation allows me to use it to capture a better/unique shot.

On a phone, i think usability is important. Like on the S6 or iPhone, there is no need to change to night mode, landscape mode, portrait mode, or whatsoever. The camera automatically takes care of everything and lets you capture a good image with as little hassle as possible. LG needs to have a good auto mode too if it wants to compete in the camera race.

Having manual camera controls isn't anything new in android now that we have Lollipop's camera2 api. if they have a bad auto mode, most people are going to end up with bad looking images because not everyone is familiar with or can be bothered with manual controls. But if they have a good auto mode, everyone who uses the camera is going to end up with good looking images.
I c. I actually liked the htc one m8's low light performance, based on reviews I saw. Back then all the other popular flagships pretty much sucked in the low light department. And that was f/2.0, so I guess it wouldn't be bad to have f/1.8. :)

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I c. I actually liked the htc one m8's low light performance, based on reviews I saw. Back then all the other popular flagships pretty much sucked in the low light department. And that was f/2.0, so I guess it wouldn't be bad to have f/1.8. :)

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Now like different story. LG and Samsung seems miles ahead of the camera game. The laser focus tech of LG seems rather useful in most situation and the g flex 2 does rather well in terms of picture quality in reviews. Can't wait to see what LG is bringing to table with G4.

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I tried S6's camera and it's already pretty good. Fast focusing, quick shutter speed, good image stabilization. If G4's camera is equal to that, plus even better performance in low light, then best liao!

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I c. I actually liked the htc one m8's low light performance, based on reviews I saw. Back then all the other popular flagships pretty much sucked in the low light department. And that was f/2.0, so I guess it wouldn't be bad to have f/1.8. :)

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In HTC's ultra pixel case, the aperture is just part of the equation. It's the sensor as well which has "larger" pixels on the sensor. The sensor itself is actually no bigger than other phones these days. The larger pixels on the sensor allows for better light sensitivity according to HTC, but it come with its downsides too with the overall output being the main one.

I've not used the M8 before but did have the M7 which has OIS. But you can clearly see how much better the camera on the S6 is, especially in low light. Both were taken at the first try. The one taken on the M7 even has some minor motion blur despite having Ultra Pixel and OIS. The S6 does have a wider aperture and a larger sensor though.

M7 night:
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S6 night:
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M7 day:
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S6 day:
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In the day time shot you can also see the difference in the aperture and depth of field. How the Guan Yin is slightly more blurry on the S6 and how it's sharper on the M7.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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In HTC's ultra pixel case, the aperture is just part of the equation. It's the sensor as well which has "larger" pixels on the sensor. The sensor itself is actually no bigger than other phones these days. The larger pixels on the sensor allows for better light sensitivity according to HTC, but it come with its downsides too with the overall output being the main one.

I've not used the M8 before but did have the M7 which has OIS. But you can clearly see how much better the camera on the S6 is, especially in low light. Both were taken at the first try. The one taken on the M7 even has some minor motion blur despite having Ultra Pixel and OIS. The S6 does have a wider aperture and a larger sensor though.

M7 night:
IMAG0065.jpg


S6 night:
20150417_045346.jpg


M7 day:
IMAG0051.jpg


S6 day:
20150416_180650.jpg


In the day time shot you can also see the difference in the aperture. How the Guan Yin is slightly more blurry on the S6 and how it's sharper on the M7.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Actually, Ultra Pixels vs sensor size... logically if you squeeze less megapixels in, will you get the same performance with a smaller sensor with less MPs vs a larger sensor but with more MPs?

I can't figure out why HTC didn't add in OIS for the M9. Quite a major fail IMO. At least if they add OIS it can 'save' the average camera in some situations.

Really hope LG can impress here. For competitive reasons I don't want Samsung to dominate the Android market... later they complacent and come up with something like the S5 again :s13:

Bring on the G4! :)
 

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Actually I find the M7's night shot better in terms of lighting, altho S6's is more natural. Hehe.

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Actually the only reason the lighting looks brighter is because the M7 boosted the ISO to 1250. The photo taken by S6 is at 200 only. If you tap a different area on the S6 viewfinder, it will adjust the auto exposure, and you can get the same lighting as on the M7. Though that might boost up the ISO to like 400. But overall the lower the ISO, the less grainy and noisy the photo will look. haha.
 

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Actually, Ultra Pixels vs sensor size... logically if you squeeze less megapixels in, will you get the same performance with a smaller sensor with less MPs vs a larger sensor but with more MPs?

I can't figure out why HTC didn't add in OIS for the M9. Quite a major fail IMO. At least if they add OIS it can 'save' the average camera in some situations.

Really hope LG can impress here. For competitive reasons I don't want Samsung to dominate the Android market... later they complacent and come up with something like the S5 again :s13:

Bring on the G4! :)

haha. well, can just look at the iPhone 6. Smaller sensor than the S6, less megapixels, but bigger pixel size. Still takes great looking images in most conditions.

iPhone 6:
- 8MP
- f/2.2
- 1/3" sensor
- 1.5 μm pixel size

S6:
- 16MP
- f/1.9
- 1/2.6" sensor
- 1.12 μm pixel size

One M8:
- 4MP
- f/2.0
- 1/3" sensor
- 2.0 μm pixel size

But I still think software and image processing is more important. The iPhone 6 performs well even without OIS and with a smaller aperture. And comparing with the M8, they both have similar sensor size, but the M8 has wider aperture and bigger pixels, which should mean a much better low light performance. But looking at other tests that people have done, the difference isn't huge.

Then you look at the Sony Xperia Z3:
- 20.7MP
- F2.0
- 1/2.3" sensor
- 1.12 μm pixel size

On paper it looks comparable to the S6. But when you compare the camera performance....
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Actually, Ultra Pixels vs sensor size... logically if you squeeze less megapixels in, will you get the same performance with a smaller sensor with less MPs vs a larger sensor but with more MPs?

I can't figure out why HTC didn't add in OIS for the M9. Quite a major fail IMO. At least if they add OIS it can 'save' the average camera in some situations.

Really hope LG can impress here. For competitive reasons I don't want Samsung to dominate the Android market... later they complacent and come up with something like the S5 again :s13:

Bring on the G4! :)

Ya but such a late launch date 😔. My contract is up for renewal next Monday and the G4 is expected to hit here end of may. By then I would have already got the S6. They should launch earlier and not let Samsung steal the show.
 

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Seems like the M7 has the better camera than S6?

The night scene for M7 shows more details in surrounding areas and the day pic house is sharper on M7.


In HTC's ultra pixel case, the aperture is just part of the equation. It's the sensor as well which has "larger" pixels on the sensor. The sensor itself is actually no bigger than other phones these days. The larger pixels on the sensor allows for better light sensitivity according to HTC, but it come with its downsides too with the overall output being the main one.

I've not used the M8 before but did have the M7 which has OIS. But you can clearly see how much better the camera on the S6 is, especially in low light. Both were taken at the first try. The one taken on the M7 even has some minor motion blur despite having Ultra Pixel and OIS. The S6 does have a wider aperture and a larger sensor though.

M7 night:
IMAG0065.jpg


S6 night:
20150417_045346.jpg


M7 day:
IMAG0051.jpg


S6 day:
20150416_180650.jpg


In the day time shot you can also see the difference in the aperture and depth of field. How the Guan Yin is slightly more blurry on the S6 and how it's sharper on the M7.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Actually the only reason the lighting looks brighter is because the M7 boosted the ISO to 1250. The photo taken by S6 is at 200 only. If you tap a different area on the S6 viewfinder, it will adjust the auto exposure, and you can get the same lighting as on the M7. Though that might boost up the ISO to like 400. But overall the lower the ISO, the less grainy and noisy the photo will look. haha.
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