LION-PHILLIP S-REIT *Official* (SGX: CLR)

kelvin1982inv

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Hi everyone,

As shared in the Straits Times article today, "The ABCs of Reits," there is going to be news of an S-REITs ETF announced tomorrow.

The article highlighted that S-REITs have returned an annualised 8.4% in the past five years and the yield is about 6%.

All these sound like the ETF will be a good retirement solution, or good to allocate a small portion of retirement funds to.

Does anyone have more information about this ETF ahead of the news tomorrow?

What are you thoughts about it?

Cheers,
Kelvin
 

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Try this: MAS Opera: LION-PHILLIP S-REIT ETF

Someone has taken a quick look at it liao: 3rd REIT ETF - Lion-Phillip S-REIT ETF

"...one has to apply for a minimum of 50,000 units through one of the participating dealers (Phillip Securities Pte Ltd, DBS Vickers Securities (Singapore) Pte Ltd, Commerzbank AG and UOB Kay Hian Pte Ltd) and the application fee is $450 instead of $2"

also: " ... there are withholding tax of 17% on the dividends for the ETF which will reduce the overall return significantly ..."
 

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Thanks, I couldn't find any information on it. Wow that sucks, looks like it won't be a good retirement solution to DCA into after all.

The application fee and the 17% tax are real bummers.

Hopefully the ETF is successful though and the big ETF players come into the Singapore scene, or something can be done by the authorities to waive off the tax.
 

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The index: Morningstar Singapore REIT Yield Focus

Constituents (as at 31 Aug):
Name - Weight
1 CapitaLand Mall Trust - 10.76
2 CapitaLand Commercial Trust - 10.25
3 Suntec Real Estate Investment Trust - 9.89
4 Mapletree Commercial Trust - 8.98
5 Keppel REIT - 8.54
6 Ascendas Real Estate Investment Trust - 8.02
7 Mapletree Industrial Trust - 7.64
8 Mapletree Logistics Trust - 5.52
9 Ascott Residence Trust Management Ltd - 4.54
10 Mapletree Greater China Commercial Trust - 3.55
11 CDL Hospitality Real Estate Investment Trust - 3.5
12 Starhill Global Real Estate Investment Trust - 3.44
13 Frasers Commercial Trust - 2.35
14 Parkway Life Real Estate Investment Trust - 2.34
15 Frasers Centrepoint Trust - 1.97
16 Keppel DC REIT - 1.71
17 OUE Hospitality Trust - 1.42
18 CapitaLand Retail China Trust - 1.26
19 Lippo Malls Indonesia Retail Trust - 1.12
20 Frasers Logistics and Industrial Trust - 0.88
21 First Real Estate Investment Trust - 0.86
22 Far East Hospitality Trust - 0.76
23 Frasers Hospitality Trust - 0.7
 
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More info now available:

From POEMS:

Application Period: 2nd – 17th Oct 2017
Listing Date: 30th Oct 2017
Subscription price: S$1.00
Minimum Quantity: 1,000 units
Placement Fees: 0.1% or minimum S$10 (subject to 7% GST)
Allotment: Full allotment
Regular Savings Plan: Yes, via Share Builder Plan from Nov 2017 onwards

Key Information
EIP/SIP: Excluded Investment Product (“EIP”)
Exchange Listing: SGX-ST
Trading Currency: Singapore dollars (S$)
Dividend Distribution: Semi-annually

Documents avail for download:
Fund Info
Fund Brochure
FAQ
Prospectus
Product Highlight Sheet

From FAQ:
Q11: As an investor, how do I buy or sell units of the Fund?
A11: The Initial Offer Period will open at 9.00 a.m. on 2nd October 2017 and close at 11:00 a.m. on 20th October 2017. The Issue Price of each Unit during the Initial Offer Period is S$1.000.

During the Initial Offer Period, investors may only purchase units through the Participating Dealers in application unit size of 50,000 units or such higher number of units in multiples of 1,000 units. All purchases or sales of units through the Participating Dealers are subject to such terms and conditions as may be imposed by the relevant Participating Dealer. A lower minimum amount may be set by the Participating Dealers for retail investors. The Participating Dealers currently include Phillip Securities Pte Ltd, DBS Vickers Securities (Singapore) Pte Ltd, Commerzbank AG and UOB Kay Hian Pte Ltd. Investors may contact the participating dealers for more information.

After the Initial Offer Period, investors may purchase or sell Units either through the Participating Dealers or through the SGX-ST at a minimum trading board lot size of 100 units, during the trading day through a broker or any Trading Member of the SGX-ST, as one would in the case of a share listed on the SGX-ST, at any time after dealings in the units commence and for so long as the units are listed on the SGX-ST. The trading price of units may differ from the Net Asset Value per unit and there can be no assurance that a liquid secondary market will exist for the units of the Fund.

Please refer to the prospectus for the subscription details.

Q12: Is the Fund classified as an Excluded Investment Product (“EIP”)?
A12: Yes, the Fund is classified as an EIP. Hence, investors can easily invest in the Fund just like ordinary stocks, i.e. without the need to complete a Customer Account Review or take the SGX Online Education Programme.

Q13: Can investors invest into the Fund via the Supplementary Retirement Scheme (“SRS”)?
A13: Yes, investors can apply with their stock brokers or SRS operator to invest via SRS.

Q14: Is the Fund included under the CPF Investment Scheme (“CPFIS”)?
A14: No, the Fund is currently not included under the CPFIS.

Q15: What is the distribution policy of the Fund?
A15: The Manager will declare semi-annual distributions in February and August of each year. However, investors should note that the distribution rates are not guaranteed and are subject at all times to the discretion of the Manager. Distributions will be paid in the base currency of the Fund (i.e. SGD). Distributions (whether out of income and/or capital) may have the effect of lowering the net asset value of the Fund.

Q16: What are the trading name and stock identifiers of the Fund?
A16: SGX Trading Name: LION-PHILLIP S-REIT
SGX Stock Code: CLR
ISIN Stock Code: SG1DJ3000008

From Prospectus:
42. EXPENSE RATIO
As the Fund has yet to be launched as at the date of this Prospectus, the Fund’s expense ratio is not available.

44. TAXATION
... Taxable income distribution from Real Estate Investment Trusts (“REITs”) listed in Singapore derived by the Fund will generally be subject to tax withheld at source at the prevailing income tax rate, currently 17% ...

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What the difference between 'investors' and 'retail investors'?

It was stated that Investors may only purchase in 50,000 units while retail investors at lower minimum amount.

Also, can apply via ATM? Look like we can't.:(
 

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Just buy on the market once it floats. It’s an ETF and I don’t think it’s listing at a discount...
 

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I am already holding 12 out of the 23 REITS listed in the ETF so I have no interest in buying this ETF and paying management fee+witholding taxes :s13:

one final point, have they actually published the NAV of the ETF? Any chance that the NAV is actually lower than the offer price and this is how the bookmakers etc make their money?

I will never buy an ETF where I do not know the NAV.
 

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Any point in buying this?sg only has like 20 plus REITs.....are people so lazy they dunno how to do research on 20 REITs and choose the best five they like?and also some of the REITs are obviously bad apples so what's the point of including them just to increase ur overall risk and volatility for cheap returns.
 
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I am already holding 12 out of the 23 REITS listed in the ETF so I have no interest in buying this ETF and paying management fee+witholding taxes :s13:

one final point, have they actually published the NAV of the ETF? Any chance that the NAV is actually lower than the offer price and this is how the bookmakers etc make their money?

I will never buy an ETF where I do not know the NAV.

which 12 are u holding?
 

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As long as there continues to be dividend withholding tax, no reits etf (which are dividend-focused) will be attractive.
 

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I thought 17% withholding tax on distribution of REIT is only applicable to foreign corporations? Hmm...
 

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I am already holding 12 out of the 23 REITS listed in the ETF so I have no interest in buying this ETF and paying management fee+witholding taxes :s13:

one final point, have they actually published the NAV of the ETF? Any chance that the NAV is actually lower than the offer price and this is how the bookmakers etc make their money?

I will never buy an ETF where I do not know the NAV.

This whole thing is absurd. A ETF is having a IPO to retail investors and nowhere in their documents does it even state the NAV. Retail investors should be putting their money on faith I guess.

What they should be doing is dealing with the participating dealers directly, create new units of the ETF in exchange for baskets of the underlying REIT securities. Then the dealers buy and sell the units with retail investors in smaller blocks on the market. Why is the retail investor even involved in this? :s11:
 
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I thought 17% withholding tax on distribution of REIT is only applicable to foreign corporations? Hmm...

This is such a crucial issue for retail investors who just want to know if they will lose out by owning REITs through a ETF rather than directly, but for such an obvious question, Lion-Phillip is not forthcoming. It's not in their FAQs and their prospectus is not clear on this at all.

From my understanding, distributions to the ETF will indeed be taxed. This is the standard corporate tax of 17%. If we assume that the bulk of returns from your REITs come through distributions, this means the government is taking back a hefty 17% of your returns every year, simply because of the corporate structure.

Even if you are less diversified and own fewer than 23 S-REITs, giving up 17% of your returns every year for nothing is senseless.

Qualifying unit holders - Companies incorporated and resident in Singapore

Tax treatment: Tax at their respective tax rates unless otherwise exempt

Income Tax Treatment of Real Estate Investment Trusts and Approved Sub-Trusts
https://www.iras.gov.sg/irashome/up...Investment Trusts and Approved Sub-Trusts.pdf
 
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