Local Uni or Private Uni ?

[koopikoo]

Hey guys!

Currently got offered a place in SIT hospitality business , so i am thinking should i go for SIT which is considered a government uni OR go the SIM- RMIT to study business management or business marketing. Reason being;

SIT business program is more specialized into the hospitality industry, which i am worried if i study this i can only work in this industry (not keen on working on weekends).

Hence the other alternative is SIM-RMIT, as it offers me a more general business degree where i might have more industries to choose from when im going to work.


However! SIT has a better "paper value" as a government uni and i might be able to work in the civil sector and what i learn i may be able to apply it into other industry also. For SIM-RMIT i "heard" it is not really recognized.

*Comparing the modules in SIT(3 years course) i will learn more than in RMIT-SIM (2 years).


1)Do you guys think if i study SIT business course i can only go into that industry when i graduate?

2)And let say if i apply for a management level job outside the hospitality industry, SIT hosp biz degree(Local Uni) or SIM-RMIT biz management degree(Private Uni) would be better?

3) Any advice or comments?


Sorry abit lengthly but hope you can take time out to help me

Thank you very much!

SIT course website
http://www.singaporetech.edu.sg/edu...bachelor-of-hospitality-business-with-honours

SIM-RMIT course website
http://www.simge.edu.sg/gePortalWeb...pageLabel=pgCourseDetails&contentID=SIM001663

 

[Tommy Lee]

SIT is a LOCAL uni
If history is to be learnt (based on SMU'S rise)..it would take about 10-15 years for it to gain as much reputation as the others (SMU, NTU...NUS is too far ahead)

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[patryn33]

SIT is a LOCAL uni
If history is to be learnt (based on SMU'S rise)..it would take about 10-15 years for it to gain as much reputation as the others (SMU, NTU...NUS is too far ahead)

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It takes 3-4 yrs to finish degree for 1st intake, another 5-6 yrs to move to management for those fast climbers. Once in role of hiring manager your big bosses and peers will understand uni grad quality.

No way to evaluate a grad when none are in the work force.

If SIT grads joint the work force sooner and they all performed well, new grads just reap the rewards from the hardworking done by 1st 4 batch

 

[Tommy Lee]

It takes 3-4 yrs to finish degree for 1st intake, another 5-6 yrs to move to management for those fast climbers. Once in role of hiring manager your big bosses and peers will understand uni grad quality.

No way to evaluate a grad when none are in the work force.

If SIT grads joint the work force sooner and they all performed well, new grads just reap the rewards from the hardworking done by 1st 4 batch

True...
I think SIT'S Rise might be even less than 20 years as SMU was a specialized uni offering only business degrees while SIT is a specialised uni offering degrees in varying disciplines n thus, in terms of successful projects n accreditation by industry, SIT stands a better chance to rise faster than SMU did years ago

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[Havok_ex]

True...
I think SIT'S Rise might be even less than 20 years as SMU was a specialized uni offering only business degrees while SIT is a specialised uni offering degrees in varying disciplines n thus, in terms of successful projects n accreditation by industry, SIT stands a better chance to rise faster than SMU did years ago

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I dont think that's very true. SMU had a much easier time rising up the ranks. SMU came in at a time when there was only NTU or NUS, not much variety. SMU filled in the gap as not only a dedicated biz school in a financial hub, but also the first to trump an american pedagogy as their niche.

SIT on the other hand is competing at a time where there is NTU/NUS/SUTD/Yale-NUS/Unisim. Its not filling any gaps. Its not the best in business, or engineering, or sciences. The other schools NTU/NUS/SMU has already made that their niche. If you want a traditional science/engin/biz pedagogy, you have NUS/NTU. If you want a different biz pedagogy, you have SMU. If you want a different engineering pedagogy, you have SUTD with its 'pillar' system.

If you're a working adult or you want to work + study, you have unisim.

The one perk SIT has is that it lets its students graduate faster, especially if you're from a related poly diploma. But this just means that half of the cohort, the JC students, would not be very interested in SIT's offerings since they are not eligible for the courses. Whereas the other universities can attract the entire pool of students, JC + poly together.

 

[patryn33]

We digress too much, so between SIT and SIM-Rmit which path?

 

[Tommy Lee]

I dont think that's very true. SMU had a much easier time rising up the ranks. SMU came in at a time when there was only NTU or NUS, not much variety. SMU filled in the gap as not only a dedicated biz school in a financial hub, but also the first to trump an american pedagogy as their niche.

SIT on the other hand is competing at a time where there is NTU/NUS/SUTD/Yale-NUS/Unisim. Its not filling any gaps. Its not the best in business, or engineering, or sciences. The other schools NTU/NUS/SMU has already made that their niche. If you want a traditional science/engin/biz pedagogy, you have NUS/NTU. If you want a different biz pedagogy, you have SMU. If you want a different engineering pedagogy, you have SUTD with its 'pillar' system.

If you're a working adult or you want to work + study, you have unisim.

The one perk SIT has is that it lets its students graduate faster, especially if you're from a related poly diploma. But this just means that half of the cohort, the JC students, would not be very interested in SIT's offerings since they are not eligible for the courses. Whereas the other universities can attract the entire pool of students, JC + poly together.

I respectfully disagree

I think while SIT may be disadvantaged in certain ways...

It still has some benefits over the other local unis...especially with regards to industry relevance.

I think you should note that many top colleges like CALTECH and MIT had similar humble beginnings as they were largely meant to meet the demands/specifics of the industry.

SMU is solely a business uni. This means that it has no pathways to achieve recognition in areas of science and technology and usually, science and engineering are areas where colleges can amass great recognition as the projects provide a tangible impact. In other words, for example, engineering can provide real world solutions to real world problems in a way that the employer and society can see and benefit from. SMU'S biggest weakness is that it produces only largely business grads and many of them thus lack the ability to develop products
As for NTU, NUS,SUTD...these are traditional unis that I think SIT should emulate from.
But one advantage of SIT is that it has very solid industry links in niche areas and this is something that maybe even grads of other local community unis may lose out on...for example I think employers would rather choose an SIT grad who had spent 1 year working at your company and doing an fyp at your company to solve your company's (and by extension, the industry's) problems than an NTU grad who spent only 4 months in a relevant company , doing a lab-based fyp , which might not have relevance to your company.

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[Havok_ex]

I respectfully disagree

I think while SIT may be disadvantaged in certain ways...

It still has some benefits over the other local unis...especially with regards to industry relevance.

I think you should note that many top colleges like CALTECH and MIT had similar humble beginnings as they were largely meant to meet the demands/specifics of the industry.

SMU is solely a business uni. This means that it has no pathways to achieve recognition in areas of science and technology and usually, science and engineering are areas where colleges can amass great recognition as the projects provide a tangible impact. In other words, for example, engineering can provide real world solutions to real world problems in a way that the employer and society can see and benefit from. SMU'S biggest weakness is that it produces only largely business grads and many of them thus lack the ability to develop products
As for NTU, NUS,SUTD...these are traditional unis that I think SIT should emulate from.
But one advantage of SIT is that it has very solid industry links in niche areas and this is something that maybe even grads of other local community unis may lose out on...for example I think employers would rather choose an SIT grad who had spent 1 year working at your company and doing an fyp at your company to solve your company's (and by extension, the industry's) problems than an NTU grad who spent only 4 months in a relevant company , doing a lab-based fyp , which might not have relevance to your company.

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I agree with you on the point on SMU. Its success is largely tied to Singapore's success as a financial hub.

But the industry links that SIT has is nothing new. NTU has, for a very long time, FYP and internship attachments with companies. Engin students can choose between a 3-4 month internship during holdays like you mentioned. Or a 6-7 month internship that takes up one summer break and one semester. And yes, they can have their FYP with those companies too. So the industry links are not something new and unheard of. The other universities have already been doing FYP with companies for some time already.

 

[Tommy Lee]

I agree with you on the point on SMU. Its success is largely tied to Singapore's success as a financial hub.

But the industry links that SIT has is nothing new. NTU has, for a very long time, FYP and internship attachments with companies. Engin students can choose between a 3-4 month internship during holdays like you mentioned. Or a 6-7 month internship that takes up one summer break and one semester. And yes, they can have their FYP with those companies too. So the industry links are not something new and unheard of. The other universities have already been doing FYP with companies for some time already.

I think the main point of SIT's advantage is that SIT has a much longer fyp cum intern at a company.

In other words,
SIT = INDUSTRY
NTU = R and D

So, it really depends on a student's (as well as the employer's) perspective

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[Tommy Lee]

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I agree.

But ... while we shouldn't make assumptions on an employer's perspective , I think a student, as someone who pays fees, should be wise enough to make an effort to anticipate what an employer might perceive of my future degree rite?

Just need to wait and hope for the best.

It's so new...that the first batch has not even laid a single foot in the uni.

MORAL:
Singapore Institute OF technology has POTENTIAL but, is not PROVEN yet.

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[IAmZTX]

I would suggest TS to check the modules of the course.

- Why do you want to achieve from the two course?
- Compare the two course and see which one teaches the most.

Imagine paying the same amount of money but yet learn as little as the other course.

 

[nutellaprince]

Hey guys!

Currently got offered a place in SIT hospitality business , so i am thinking should i go for SIT which is considered a government uni OR go the SIM- RMIT to study business management or business marketing. Reason being;

SIT business program is more specialized into the hospitality industry, which i am worried if i study this i can only work in this industry (not keen on working on weekends).

Hence the other alternative is SIM-RMIT, as it offers me a more general business degree where i might have more industries to choose from when im going to work.


However! SIT has a better "paper value" as a government uni and i might be able to work in the civil sector and what i learn i may be able to apply it into other industry also. For SIM-RMIT i "heard" it is not really recognized.

*Comparing the modules in SIT(3 years course) i will learn more than in RMIT-SIM (2 years).


1)Do you guys think if i study SIT business course i can only go into that industry when i graduate?

2)And let say if i apply for a management level job outside the hospitality industry, SIT hosp biz degree(Local Uni) or SIM-RMIT biz management degree(Private Uni) would be better?

3) Any advice or comments?


Sorry abit lengthly but hope you can take time out to help me

Thank you very much!

SIT course website
http://www.singaporetech.edu.sg/edu...bachelor-of-hospitality-business-with-honours

SIM-RMIT course website
http://www.simge.edu.sg/gePortalWeb...pageLabel=pgCourseDetails&contentID=SIM001663

1) yes hospitality is indeed very specialised. get ready to work on public holidays and weekends as that's the main work days.

2)RMIT esp if the company is in the private sector. And your degree is less specialised. RMIT is actually rather wellknown overseas as an rising up and coming Aussie university . If costs allow, you can go over there to complete your deg.

 

[patryn33]

1) yes hospitality is indeed very specialised. get ready to work on public holidays and weekends as that's the main work days.

2)RMIT esp if the company is in the private sector. And your degree is less specialised. RMIT is actually rather wellknown overseas as an rising up and coming Aussie university . If costs allow, you can go over there to complete your deg.

1 - unless on does resort development then can escape the weekend work

2 - don't see the need to go Australia to complete an RMIT degree. Might as well do well save the money for masters with a better uni. RMIT no matter how renown is no GO8.

@ TS why don't you do this? http://naa.edu.sg/#

 

[SevenSeals]

i would stick with SIT if I were you. Just Google rmit and you'll find a number of negative articles associated with the school.

Not to mention sit is backed by our government which at least ensures there's a certain quality of education in SIT

 

[koopikoo]

1) yes hospitality is indeed very specialised. get ready to work on public holidays and weekends as that's the main work days.

2)RMIT esp if the company is in the private sector. And your degree is less specialised. RMIT is actually rather wellknown overseas as an rising up and coming Aussie university . If costs allow, you can go over there to complete your deg.

1) You think other companies from other industry will hire me though i have such an specialized degree? Cause personally i feel whatever i learn in a business program, it can be applied in general to the other industries. Or would they filter me out because my degree is too specialized?

2) hmm Why RMIT if the company is in the private sector? Private sector prefer RMIT?

Thank you!

 

[koopikoo]

1 - unless on does resort development then can escape the weekend work

2 - don't see the need to go Australia to complete an RMIT degree. Might as well do well save the money for masters with a better uni. RMIT no matter how renown is no GO8.

@ TS why don't you do this? http://naa.edu.sg/#

1) Unless on resort development? What kind of work you mean by resort development?
Do you have friends and heard of experiences of people working in the hospitality industry?

Thanks for the links and reply too! i checked it out already

 

[koopikoo]

1)So basically i only have two options RMIT-SIM OR SIT, which do you think i should go for ? (based on what i mentioned in my first post and your views and experiences)


2) May i know what is the difference between graduating with a honors degree and graduating without one? The SIT hospitality business degree is a honors program while the business management degree from RMIT-SIM is not.

and how important is the honors for a degree? Would it affect my job search or salary etc?


3) Lets say after graduating,i apply for a job in a non-hospitality industry, do you think most employers would prefer the SIT hospitality business degree which is a Gov uni degree(but specializes in the hospitality industry)

OR

A RMIT-SIM business management degree which is a more general degree but a private Uni degree.


4) SIT degree OR RMIT-SIM degree would give me a better chance in working for the civil sector? or both the same?

Thank you!