Dear fellow traders
Like to ask for comments on the following fee structures among the 4 business plans we have received so far.
Cheers to all!
Are these contracts for prop-trading groups or hedge funds? If they're for hedge funds, then this is very high - the going rate these days is 1.6-and-16-ish; if they're for prop-trading groups then they're in the ballpark.
The second one seems to have a two-layered fee - 50% of the profits to the traders and 20% to the portfolio managers? I'd get them to explain that, because unless those are being applied on different accounts that's going to add up fast.
Your fourth guy can't even be bothered to run spellcheck across their business plan, so I'd give that one the flick instantly.
With the other two, the thing to keep in mind would be the difference between paying "per trader" and paying "per fund manager". You want them to agree to take payment at the fund manager (or portfolio) level if you can, because the payoff function is the difference between a basket of options and options on a basket: if you pay them at the fund level, then the losers will reduce the total amount you have to pay.
I like the +35/-25 structure, but I'm a little worried it might encourage overtrading to get out of a hole.
For the first one, that seems relatively normal but I feel like you'd want a higher high-water mark - if they're talking about +/-100% swings in any given year, then your high-water mark should be higher than six percent. (And besides, I could hit that high-water mark in pretty much any given year with a boring 60-40 portfolio - I feel like the right high-water for an aggressive trading strategy should be more like 12-15%.
And there's always room to negotiate the fees lower.