Mini ITX Gaming Rig

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I need advice from you guys out there to build a Mini-ITX gaming Rig. I already have my mind on the MSI Z87I GAMING AC & MSI N760 2GD5/OC ITX Gfx Card for the GPU and MB, but need you guys to advice on con and pros on this items. And also what other item i should o for this gaming rig. Budget not more than 2k.

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Are you thinking about overclocking. Else this 2 combo is useless.

Furthermore if you thinking about good and solid gpus please consider something else better than a gtx760.
 

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Are you thinking about overclocking. Else this 2 combo is useless.

Furthermore if you thinking about good and solid gpus please consider something else better than a gtx760.

Any preference? As long as using an mini-ITX.
 

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What are difference between these two cards in terms of cost and performance?

with a budget of 2k can easily get a 290 or by chance squeeze in a 780. this 2 gpus are equal in performance. from the number 780 very easy to know how much performance difference it have compared to a 760. its 2 tiers higher.
 

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You going overclocking ma? Z87 for overclocking de
Dont be silly. Z87, especially itx boards, are very much fancier than their other chipset equivalent even from the same brand, not to mention the usual extras like on-board wifi, mPCIe ssd slot etc.

Even for non-itx boards this applies too, so no, z87 is not just for overclocking..
Are you thinking about overclocking. Else this 2 combo is useless.

Furthermore if you thinking about good and solid gpus please consider something else better than a gtx760.
Why would it be useless? A GTX 760 would be around the same performance as my 7870 myst, which I am able to get at least medium to high to even very high graphic settings on pretty much every game I play on 1080p with very solid FPS, yet it is a card that is dual slot AND fits about the same length as an ITX board, which would allow for much smaller cases.

Isnt it an oxymoron to not recommend the Msi Gtx 760 ITX which is the shortest and smallest card out there that can actually provide a pretty decent gaming experience and instead something "better" which as it stands right now pretty much EVERY card "better" than the gtx 760 itx is definitely significantly bigger and longer, which kind of defeats the purpose of having an ITX board in the first place?
would advice getting a r9 290 with a corsair 250D case, Powerful and yet small
Well as above, neither of those parts are not things associated with small, although 290 is powerful indeed.

250D is about 28 litres in volume, which even Anandtech says is huge for an ITX case.

the Obsidian 250D does sacrifice one thing: compactness. The volume of the case is by no means small, meaning that the Obsidian 250D is not meant to be a small system to be hidden away. As a matter of fact, it would be more accurate to call the Obsidian 250D a mini version of the Carbide 540 Air.
 
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Dont be silly. Z87, especially itx boards, are very much fancier than their other chipset equivalent even from the same brand, not to mention the usual extras like on-board wifi, mPCIe ssd slot etc.

Even for non-itx boards this applies too, so no, z87 is not just for overclocking..

Why would it be useless? A GTX 760 would be around the same performance as my 7870 myst, which I am able to get at least medium to high to even very high graphic settings on pretty much every game I play on 1080p with very solid FPS, yet it is a card that is dual slot AND fits about the same length as an ITX board, which would allow for much smaller cases.

Isnt it an oxymoron to not recommend the Msi Gtx 760 ITX which is the shortest and smallest card out there that can actually provide a pretty decent gaming experience and instead something "better" which as it stands right now pretty much EVERY card "better" than the gtx 760 itx is definitely significantly bigger and longer, which kind of defeats the purpose of having an ITX board in the first place?

Well as above, neither of those parts are not things associated with small, although 290 is powerful indeed.

250D is about 28 litres in volume, which even Anandtech says is huge for an ITX case.

yea i know z87 itx are different from atx of z87 kind but not sure will ts be using those stuffs or not... if he is not using the wifi, mpcie ssd slots then abit wasted get a so ex board when he can get a cheaper one ma... trying to help TS save money. oh and agreed z87 is the meatiest chipset compared to other variance. SLI need z87 and the x8 x8 config too...

As for GPU will be siding more towards Roy's opinion ba... cause 760 yes agreed is still powerful but not sure what TS want for gaming. maybe he wants BF4 ultra at silky smooth framerates, but if playing dota 2 will be enough le. So TS please do state the games you want play

Lastly for ITX case cause TS says as long as ITX case can le why not get a 250d then? make it upgradable to a powerful rig ma. Yes and TS please also comment on this too
 

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Why would it be useless? A GTX 760 would be around the same performance as my 7870 myst, which I am able to get at least medium to high to even very high graphic settings on pretty much every game I play on 1080p with very solid FPS, yet it is a card that is dual slot AND fits about the same length as an ITX board, which would allow for much smaller cases.

Isnt it an oxymoron to not recommend the Msi Gtx 760 ITX which is the shortest and smallest card out there that can actually provide a pretty decent gaming experience and instead something "better" which as it stands right now pretty much EVERY card "better" than the gtx 760 itx is definitely significantly bigger and longer, which kind of defeats the purpose of having an ITX board in the first place?

Sometimes i think that you are the only one that always love talking back to whatever people have said.

Anyway enough said. You have your point and i have mine.

TS has a budget of overall less than 2k. It does not make sense to spend off 2k and land a gtx760 be it mini or not.

An overall budget of 2k could easily land him a better gpus and also perhaps some other better components.

Why i did say it is useless to get the combo? Well heres the thing.

A gtx760 is actually a card made for 1080p gaming solution for whom did not wanna burn a hole in the pocket.

Although the link below shows an overall performance of benchmarks for a bunch of different games in ultra settings, one may turn down the graphics to med or high in order to attain some extra fps. But most of the games still could not attain slightly above 60fps rates.

techPowerUp! - The latest in hardware and gaming

My opinion is this. As long as anything below 60fps it is already deemed slow for certain games especially fps games. Games like my palit gtx760 on high settings bf4 with no AA and i just made it to 60fps and most of the time taking a plunge to 40+ fps.

It just dont make any sense to have a 2k budget and ts could easily settle for either a gtx770 r9 280x or perhaps even a r9 290.

Given the fact that the msi gtx760 2gb mini price in sg is slightly on a high side as compared to the normal sized 760. It would be easily be a r9 280x price range.
 

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Sometimes i think that you are the only one that always love talking back to whatever people have said.

Anyway enough said. You have your point and i have mine.

TS has a budget of overall less than 2k. It does not make sense to spend off 2k and land a gtx760 be it mini or not.

An overall budget of 2k could easily land him a better gpus and also perhaps some other better components.

Why i did say it is useless to get the combo? Well heres the thing.

A gtx760 is actually a card made for 1080p gaming solution for whom did not wanna burn a hole in the pocket.

Although the link below shows an overall performance of benchmarks for a bunch of different games in ultra settings, one may turn down the graphics to med or high in order to attain some extra fps. But most of the games still could not attain slightly above 60fps rates.

techPowerUp! - The latest in hardware and gaming

My opinion is this. As long as anything below 60fps it is already deemed slow for certain games especially fps games. Games like my palit gtx760 on high settings bf4 with no AA and i just made it to 60fps and most of the time taking a plunge to 40+ fps.

It just dont make any sense to have a 2k budget and ts could easily settle for either a gtx770 r9 280x or perhaps even a r9 290.

Given the fact that the msi gtx760 2gb mini price in sg is slightly on a high side as compared to the normal sized 760. It would be easily be a r9 280x price range.

eh roy chill! its just difference in opinions TS havent state down his specifications properly yet so noone is right or wrong
 

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mITX gaming rig IMO 760 good enough, anything better will be too big for nice small casings.

Choose the casing first based on the size and aesthetics, then u choose graphics card.

To me 250D is still slightly too big for mITX. Something like the Jonsbo U1 and U2, that's mITX.
 
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mITX gaming rig IMO 760 good enough, anything better will be too big for nice small casings.

Choose the casing first based on the size and aesthetics, then u choose graphics card.

To me 250D is still slightly too big for mITX.

Agreed but still up to ts preference no matter what we recommend if not fit ts ideal needs also no use ma. sekali ts only using it to watch video nia
 

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Sometimes i think that you are the only one that always love talking back to whatever people have said.

Anyway enough said. You have your point and i have mine.

TS has a budget of overall less than 2k. It does not make sense to spend off 2k and land a gtx760 be it mini or not.

An overall budget of 2k could easily land him a better gpus and also perhaps some other better components.

Why i did say it is useless to get the combo? Well heres the thing.

A gtx760 is actually a card made for 1080p gaming solution for whom did not wanna burn a hole in the pocket.

Although the link below shows an overall performance of benchmarks for a bunch of different games in ultra settings, one may turn down the graphics to med or high in order to attain some extra fps. But most of the games still could not attain slightly above 60fps rates.

techPowerUp! - The latest in hardware and gaming

My opinion is this. As long as anything below 60fps it is already deemed slow for certain games especially fps games. Games like my palit gtx760 on high settings bf4 with no AA and i just made it to 60fps and most of the time taking a plunge to 40+ fps.

It just dont make any sense to have a 2k budget and ts could easily settle for either a gtx770 r9 280x or perhaps even a r9 290.

Given the fact that the msi gtx760 2gb mini price in sg is slightly on a high side as compared to the normal sized 760. It would be easily be a r9 280x price range.
I'm not sorry nor misinformed for calling you out on your past and current silly ideas at least :o

Well for the sake of this pointless debate, among the games benched from that review, 8 games were way well past the holy 60fps at 1920x1080, and the other 8 games that didnt, about half of them were high 40's to low 50's.

Their review sample showed a maximum OC of 1150(11%)/1750(17%) core/mem respectively, and a actual 3D performance gain in BF3 of 11.3% which only resulted in a 1 degree celcius rise in load temp compared to non-OC load temp while the fan noise remains at 32dbA which is an extremely respectable noise level. This means those games that were at low 50-s will easily get past the 60 fps barrier with just a few graphic options turned lower with this overclock that's basically free.

Not to mention their bench results seems very off, when I can get 95~fps average in 1920x1080 ultra when they only got 73.4fps on their MSI gtx 760, even when my 7870 myst is actually downclocked to 900/1450 core/mem. All this when the 760 is supposed to be slightly faster than the 7870 myst. I do know some games perform better on AMD or Nvidia cards but for two cards thats supposed to be very closely matched, this disparity is huge enough to throw off the reliability of the benches.

My point being? MSI GTX 760 is a very powerful card(despite what you might think otherwise :o) for 1080p gaming, and at a size that currently no other brand has a contender for except Asus but availability of Asus GTX 760 mini is pretty much 0 so that leaves us only with MSI's.

Sometimes when you keep going for the cheapest stuff, you will really get monkeys when you pay peanuts.

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That puts Palit at 41.2 dbA against MSI's almost half the heatsink size and one less fan card at 31dbA, 10dbA difference. Thats about twice as loud which anyone with a working hearing can discern. Is Palit cheap? Definitely. Is it a good product in this case compared to MSI's offering? Not to me.

I think this culture of going for the cheapest raw power without considering the fine details like design, noise level, size, quality of product etc is part of the reason why we dont get to see much brand variety in Singapore, because such a sizable chunk of the market consistently guns for the cheapest all the time how will brands/distros dare to bring in new stuff.
 
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I'm not sorry nor misinformed for calling you out on your past and current silly ideas at least :o

So you take it personal. If you think you are the clever one here pin pointing down on peoples ideas (which apparently to you is "silly ideas"), why dont you be the one to help people out instead? Not even one post from you that bothers recommending people stuffs.

no other brand has a contender for except Asus but availability of Asus GTX 760 mini is pretty much 0 so that leaves us only with MSI's.

I doubt you even walked around in sls often as i do. Even the msi 760 mini is not readily available. Or some shops just dont wanna do business for things that they do not have in hand.
 

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I need advice from you guys out there to build a Mini-ITX gaming Rig. I already have my mind on the MSI Z87I GAMING AC & MSI N760 2GD5/OC ITX Gfx Card for the GPU and MB, but need you guys to advice on con and pros on this items. And also what other item i should o for this gaming rig. Budget not more than 2k.

Thanks
Heh sorry for the huge OT nonsense.

You might wanna state the games you play or will be playing, monitor resolution, preferred size of case etc. With a budget of 2k or less, you can consider gunning for higher end GPU's instead like GTX 780(both reference and most non-ref are pretty good) if you play games that can utilize the horsepower like BF4/AC4/Metro:LL etc. Else the MSI N760 ITX is pretty good to go for most mainstream games, plus the small size will allow you to keep your case internal neat easily.

Other stuff would be choice of case alr, which largely depends on how much stuff you need to stuff in. Most ITX cases can take about 2 3.5" HDD and one 2.5" SSD. If you wanna take it easy with the installation, can consider the Bitfenix Prodigy(36 litre volume) although its a bit too huge for an ITX case IMO.

If you're a bit adventurous, can consider these cases :

Ncase M1 (12.6L! and one of the best ITX case made by Lian Li)
Compact Splash (15.7L but limited quantity)
Silverstone Sugo SG09 (22.9L with excellent airflow)
Silverstone Sugo SG10 (22.9L almost the same as SG09 but much nicer looking front panel and a bit other changes)
Node 304 (19.6L but is horizontal instead of vertical)
CM Elite 130 (19.8L horizontal too)

To show the huge difference in size :D

Ncase M1 vs Bitfenix Prodigy
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Ncase M1 vs Node 304
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Note : cases like Ncase M1 isnt just smaller because they cramp everything tighter together, but more of better positioning of parts.
 
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So you take it personal. If you think you are the clever one here pin pointing down on peoples ideas (which apparently to you is "silly ideas"), why dont you be the one to help people out instead? Not even one post from you that bothers recommending people stuffs.

Nope I dont take it personally. I think the phrase here should be 对事不对人? :D Although your tone seems to suggest you're doing the exact opposite :o

You seem to have a lot of free time to recommend builds everywhere which is quite nice of you to help the community. Here's my sincere +1 for helping the community. Although I do occasionally see those rampant threads asking for builds, I honestly have zero interest in them because there is almost confirm+chop going to be no interesting discussion going on in those threads,

I doubt you even walked around in sls often as i do. Even the msi 760 mini is not readily available. Or some shops just dont wanna do business for things that they do not have in hand.
which brings me to your second point because yes I don't frequent SLS so I wont be able to think up a list of build in a snap so I wont be so boliao to go through pricelists and spend probably about 10-15 minutes of my time to figure out a good worthy build doing the homework for people who don't bother to do it themselves.

Also not readily available doesn't mean not available, that is one of the unique products of MSI so even if retailers dont carry them or have no stock it will almost definitely be available via Corbell. Though would you like a medal for your infrequent trips around in SLS? :s13:

Well if it is of any significance I do post some helping posts once in a while, just not in those boring "help me decide my rig" threads that doesn't have any value to me at all but those that actually present a problem that the TS mostly cant solve on their own or some discussion that's actually intelligent. Also I dont keep a score of how much I've helped like you so I guess I'm not much helpful on hardware clinic like you are :o

Like I said, I'm purely objective so if you actually post something that's interesting(maybe having a record high score of recommending builds is interesting to you but it sure isnt to me) or participate in some intelligent discussion, you can be Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein for all I care but I will still agree or even agree to disagree with your opinions.

Now lets end the OT here and get back to TS's original topic.
 
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yea i know z87 itx are different from atx of z87 kind but not sure will ts be using those stuffs or not... if he is not using the wifi, mpcie ssd slots then abit wasted get a so ex board when he can get a cheaper one ma... trying to help TS save money. oh and agreed z87 is the meatiest chipset compared to other variance. SLI need z87 and the x8 x8 config too...

As for GPU will be siding more towards Roy's opinion ba... cause 760 yes agreed is still powerful but not sure what TS want for gaming. maybe he wants BF4 ultra at silky smooth framerates, but if playing dota 2 will be enough le. So TS please do state the games you want play

Lastly for ITX case cause TS says as long as ITX case can le why not get a 250d then? make it upgradable to a powerful rig ma. Yes and TS please also comment on this too


Sorry, i should have stated the games i play. Now my main game is WOT and BF4.
 

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if u r gonna plae upcoming games, it would b best to up ur 760 to something more powerful.
 
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