Need advice! Acca or sim rmit degree?

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Hi guys, I've been thinking of taking up either acca or a sim rmit degree for quite a long while.
While I did my research on these two qualifications, I'm still in a dilemma on which to take up.

Hope someone is able to advise me.

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What you want for your career path? Account related jobs or generalist business jobs?

Hi guys, I've been thinking of taking up either acca or a sim rmit degree for quite a long while.
While I did my research on these two qualifications, I'm still in a dilemma on which to take up.

Hope someone is able to advise me.

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If you give me only 2 options for acca or sim rmit degree, i advice you to take acca. However don't waste time on ACCA & get an accounting degree.


I couldn't decide still yet. But I hope to give accountancy a try as a career first.

I currently only have a diploma in engineering.

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My suggestion is to take the ACCA foundation module and go for the SQP exam. You will only be able to get the CA tittle this way.
 

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i think degree better.acca very hard and the certificate still lost to a degree cert
 

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a pro qualification is much better than an ordinary degree.
with ACCA you can shortcut to a UcL Masters save time and money

professional + Masters from top uni :s12:
 
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Accountant is a professional occupation but it does not mean any accounting qualification is a professional qualification. A good example will be Diploma in accounting is not a professional qualification

Why it is call a professional qualification is because it is require to get the practicing licence. Can ACCA help to get Chartered Accountant of Singapore now? The current answer is no & still waiting for the official confirmation if ACCA will be recognized. That why now any degree outrank ACCA.

I want to laugh out loud if you share with me that UOL is a top university. UOL is a empty shell & the ranking are purely base on their campus such as LSE. Everyone know how much does BSc (oxford brookes) & MSc (UOL) worth compare to other accounting degree.

The only part I may agree with you is save money.

a pro qualification is much better than an ordinary degree.
with ACCA you can shortcut to a UcL Masters save time and money

professional + Masters from top uni :s12:
 

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This will not work cause you need a degree to enter Foundation Programme & ACCA-BSc (oxford brookes) is not consider a degree. Even UOL accounting degree can only get 4 exemption modules for SQP Foundation Programme & each UOL module require to have at least 60 marks & above.


http://www.saage.edu.sg/Singapore-Qualification-Programme-SQP/1166/22/page.html

My suggestion is to take the ACCA foundation module and go for the SQP exam. You will only be able to get the CA tittle this way.
 

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This will not work cause you need a degree to enter Foundation Programme & ACCA-BSc (oxford brookes) is not consider a degree. Even UOL accounting degree can only get 4 exemption modules for SQP Foundation Programme & each UOL module require to have at least 60 marks & above.


http://www.saage.edu.sg/Singapore-Qualification-Programme-SQP/1166/22/page.html

Think it will work because under entry pathway 2

"Applicants without an accredited degree may enrol for the Foundation Programme. Applicants must obtain an Letter of Confirmation from the Singapore Accountancy Commission (SAC) to state that their degree is from a recognised university for enrolment into the Foundation Programme. Degrees from all disciplines are welcome"

FYI, ACCA - BSC is a degree. http://www.accaglobal.com/gb/en/stu...d-brookes-bsc-hons-in-applied-accounting.html
 

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Hi guys, I've been thinking of taking up either acca or a sim rmit degree for quite a long while.
While I did my research on these two qualifications, I'm still in a dilemma on which to take up.

Hope someone is able to advise me.

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Hi Tentacles,

It really depends on what you want.

Both ACCA and RMIT Degree, can led you to become a local Chartered Accountant ("Professional Certification"). Just one is shorter, one is longer.

My experience with ACCA:-

1. This is a damn tough examination. I'm not joking. All ACCA graduates are and should be proud of themselves. If you want to do ACCA, i guarantee you need commitment to keep studying and not playing clubbing or fooling around.

2. This maybe one of the shortest route to Professional Certification. You get both ACCA (UK) Certification and CA (Singapore) Certification.

(http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/new-associate-pathway/)
Under [D] Other Professional Accounting Qualification
Members of other recognised professional accountancy bodies can apply to be Associate (ISCA) directly.

http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/

(For those who are not aware - ISCA held a dinner or some big event seminar last month and there was an update to the CA route, please read the above link - In summary - 2016 will have more changes...)

3. I disagree that this is the cheapest route. If you start to fail and have to keep retaking, i think it accumulates up to Degree course or equivalent.


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If you cant commit yourself for ACCA, I think better do Degree program (easier to graduate). If you can choose, please skip that RMIT and take the UniSIM - Bachelor of Accountancy. This has direct admission to Professional Certification.

http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/qp/recognised-qualifications/
http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/
 
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"Can ACCA help to get Chartered Accountant of Singapore now? The current answer is no & still waiting for the official confirmation if ACCA will be recognized."

You might be wrong.

In response to SkillFuture initiative by Singapore Government, ISCA is working on aligning the professional certification route.

http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/new-associate-pathway/
(New Associate Pathway)

http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/new-associate-pathway/
(Read Part D)

Please read and update yourself.
Thanks.
 

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He's not wrong.

As of today, ACCA is not recognized to become CA if you are not covered under the Transitional Arrangements.

In April 2013, ACCA and SAC signed a letter of intent to explore routes to reciprocal membership.

In Oct 2013, this was taken to the next level with the signing of the memorandum of understanding.

However, neither documents are means anything until the reciprocal membership agreement is signed. For now we can say there is a high chance that negotiations will work out, but nothing is set in stone.

As of today (Dec 2015), there is no MRA between ACCA and SAC. It will be ready in 2016 if negotiations go well.

We do not know whether the negotiations will turn out favourable or unfavourable for ACCA holders. Anything we say now is just speculation.

Only after the MRA is ready, will be know the conditions for ACCA to become CA. The conditions could be favourable or unfavourable, we do not know yet.
 

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Think it will work because under entry pathway 2

"Applicants without an accredited degree may enrol for the Foundation Programme. Applicants must obtain an Letter of Confirmation from the Singapore Accountancy Commission (SAC) to state that their degree is from a recognised university for enrolment into the Foundation Programme. Degrees from all disciplines are welcome"

FYI, ACCA - BSC is a degree. http://www.accaglobal.com/gb/en/stu...d-brookes-bsc-hons-in-applied-accounting.html

This question was already discussed and resolved since the transition was announced.. The argument was closed two years ago.

Please refer to this post from 2013:
http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/74727564-post4970.html
 

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For this post, I shall share some of the unconfirmed news. This is basically speculation - the MRA is not out. Nothing is set in stone. I repeat - no agreement, no arrangement, this is all just possibilities.

There is a possibility the MRA will follow the Hong Kong approach, which is that you need ACCA + Degree.

http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/74614904-post4968.html

I consider this extremely unfavourable. However, this is just a possibility. I'm not the Chairman of SAC, none of us here are presumably involved in the agreement negotiation.
 

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I agree with you that ACCA is hard however it does not mean at degree level it is easy to pass. If you factor into failing exam, then I dare to say that degree is harder then ACCA. ACCA allow you to fail unlimited time as long as you pass within 10 years. My degree course only allow me to fail 1 time & retake the same exam. Once I fail 2 time, I will be out of course & can forget my degree cert. So in term of cost for failing exam, degree can be much higher.


For me, it does not make scene for me to get a qualification that lead to overseas licence just to get local licence with some top up. It is just working 2 time harder & longer while paying for 2 licence just to work in Singapore.


Hi Tentacles,

It really depends on what you want.

Both ACCA and RMIT Degree, can led you to become a local Chartered Accountant ("Professional Certification"). Just one is shorter, one is longer.

My experience with ACCA:-

1. This is a damn tough examination. I'm not joking. All ACCA graduates are and should be proud of themselves. If you want to do ACCA, i guarantee you need commitment to keep studying and not playing clubbing or fooling around.

2. This maybe one of the shortest route to Professional Certification. You get both ACCA (UK) Certification and CA (Singapore) Certification.

(http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/new-associate-pathway/)
Under [D] Other Professional Accounting Qualification
Members of other recognised professional accountancy bodies can apply to be Associate (ISCA) directly.

http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/

(For those who are not aware - ISCA held a dinner or some big event seminar last month and there was an update to the CA route, please read the above link - In summary - 2016 will have more changes...)

3. I disagree that this is the cheapest route. If you start to fail and have to keep retaking, i think it accumulates up to Degree course or equivalent.


------------------------

TL;DR

If you cant commit yourself for ACCA, I think better do Degree program (easier to graduate). If you can choose, please skip that RMIT and take the UniSIM - Bachelor of Accountancy. This has direct admission to Professional Certification.

http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/qp/recognised-qualifications/
http://isca.org.sg/become-a-member/pathways/
 

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Bro,

I never infer your degree is easy to pass.
Chill ^^ Peace out.....

As per above posters replies which i have mentioned - there is some work in progress right now. We gotto wait till March 2016 to know the full details.

This is in line with the SkillFuture Initiatives...

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/more-pathways-for-skilled/2254514.html

SINGAPORE
More pathways for skilled professionals to enter accountancy sector
The increased pathways aim to address the shortage of skilled accountancy and finance personnel, says the Institute of Singapore Chartered Accountants.

By Linette Lim
Posted 12 Nov 2015 20:12 Updated 12 Nov 2015 23:18

SINGAPORE: To help address the shortage of skilled accountancy and finance personnel in Singapore, the Institute of Singapore Chartered Accountants (ISCA) will create more pathways for people to enter the accountancy profession.

The changes are also in line with the Government's SkillsFuture initiative, said ISCA. The changes, announced at the Singapore Accountancy Convention on Thursday (Nov 12), include creating a new affiliate membership class that enables non-graduates to become members, expanding associate membership to accountancy graduates from eligible foreign universities, and introducing a new accredited accounting technician diploma in partnership with the UK-based Association of Accounting Technicians.

Even as the national accountancy body moves to widen the talent pipeline in Singapore, the Ministry of Finance said the sector needs to keep up with changes arising from technological advances and evolving business needs.

"Auditing is important ... it remains the bedrock of the accountancy business,” said Ministry of Finance’s Permanent Secretary Lim Soo Hoon. “However, with the new audit exemption threshold which came into force in July 2015, smaller audit firms need to come up with new business models and pursue new and more sustainable revenue streams apart from audit.”

Ms Lim was the keynote speaker at the Singapore Accountancy Convention.

Lastly for TS,

ACCA itself is a professional certification. It is recognised by the market from what i know, unless someone can prove otherwise.

As for getting CA Singapore, i think the conclusion here is wait for March 2016 for a clearer idea. Cheers^
 
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I used to work in HR & base on my experience, some organization will pay lower for ACCA compare to a degree holder for the same position.

Bro,

I never infer your degree is easy to pass.
Chill ^^ Peace out.....

As per above posters replies which i have mentioned - there is some work in progress right now. We gotto wait till March 2016 to know the full details.

This is in line with the SkillFuture Initiatives...



Lastly for TS,

ACCA itself is a professional certification. It is recognised by the market from what i know, unless someone can prove otherwise.

As for getting CA Singapore, i think the conclusion here is wait for March 2016 for a clearer idea. Cheers^
 
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