Need help on a budget build

joventay

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Hi all

My old build is giving me intermittent powered up. unable to use pc.

i googled and notice most likely something is short inside.
need help for a budget build..
Preferably within 500sgd

If possible, I will reuse my hdds and ssd and monitor and keyboards and mouse. hopefully can reuse ram as well.
The rest will have to get new stuffs.

Mainly use for streaming shows and work using microsoft office.
Hopefully it will be fast enough for multitasking
Need some recommendations
 
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cheapest will be amd processor think r3 sufficient
 

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thanks for the prompt response.
by any chance is there like a ready guide that i can use as a guide.
i am not too good with hardwares
 

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2200g good enough and can play 4k
8gb ddr4
b450 motherboard with warranty
any $50 psu that is not coolermaster
any microatx case that you like
 

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thanks for the prompt response.
by any chance is there like a ready guide that i can use as a guide.
i am not too good with hardwares



what sort of guide you referring to? installation guide?
 

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what sort of guide you referring to? installation guide?

nope as in what to buy..
basically i uses the recommendation from the bros here to go to simlim and get the parts and uses pcthemes to build it.
i got min knowledge of the hardwares :s11:
 

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2200g good enough and can play 4k
8gb ddr4
b450 motherboard with warranty
any $50 psu that is not coolermaster
any microatx case that you like


CPU: Ryzen 5 2400G
MOBO: there are many B450 in the price guide. which one is recommended?
GPU: do i even need one??
RAM: DDR4 8gb
SSD: Reuse
HDD: Reuse
PSU: 450w enough?? or 500W?
Case: any cheap and good ATX cases to recommend?
 
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CPU: Ryzen 5 2400G
MOBO: there are many B450 in the price guide. which one is recommended?
GPU: do i even need one??
RAM: DDR4 8gb
SSD: Reuse
HDD: Reuse
PSU: 450w enough?? or 500W?
Case: any cheap and good ATX cases to recommend?

2200G is more than capable. No need spend extra.

GPU - no need. You're also not gaming anyway. The 2200G can handle light games like DOTA liao.

PSU: 450W. No GPU so ur wattage is extremely low alr. You can technically go lower than 450W LOL.
 

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2200G is more than capable. No need spend extra.

GPU - no need. You're also not gaming anyway. The 2200G can handle light games like DOTA liao.

PSU: 450W. No GPU so ur wattage is extremely low alr. You can technically go lower than 450W LOL.

ah thanks.

like that can i reuse anything from my existing hardware?

SSD, HDD and DVD drive is okay

I guess ram is out right

Lastly it is recommended for B450 mb.. but so many types, which should i go for
 

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CPU: Ryzen 3 2200G
Mobo: ASRock A320M HDV R4.0 $75
Ram: 2x4GB ddr4 2666mhz cl15 or cl16 $80+- (don't get the cl19 ones)
GPU: Integrated Graphics of 2200G -- good enough for 720p gaming
SSD: Reuse, but considering ssd so cheap now you can also consider upgrading to a new 240gb for like $50+-
HDD: Reuse
DVD Drive: Reuse, but honestly these days not much ppl still using DVD. Can consider ditching it.
PSU: Any 80+ PSU, preferably the cheapest one you can find with with 3-5 years warranty. $55-$60 fsp hyper k 500w 80+ 5 years warranty
Case: Tecware cheap matx cases $40-$50 or just reuse your old case unless you tired of the same look

If your PC specs are the ones on your right, then the ram can't be reused as it's ddr3 ram.

For ddr4 ram you only really need 2x4GB, don't get 1x8GB. Always go for 2 sticks of ram if you are using the iGPU (integrated gpu).
I'm asking you to get 2x4gb 2666mhz cl15/16 because local price of 2666mhz rams have fallen, you can get them around the same price as 2x4gb 2400mhz cl15.
But while ideally you'll like to have 2x4gb 3000mhz/3200mhz, local price still very high unless you go for overseas newegg set then it'll be cheap but warranty need ship back overseas yourself.

Recommended $109+ B450 mobo, because can overclock cpu/iGPU + future upgrade path. But no point if you using only for office work and watching show. Might as well just get a cheaper $75 A320 mobo that can't overclock cpu/iGPU. Plus you don't sound like the kind who will bother with overclocking the CPU/iGPU.

Make sure you get the R4.0 one not earlier versions of the same model of a320 mobo, because the BIOS version is updated for Ryzen 2000 on that one.

Even without overclocking the iGPU of 2200G it's enough for me to play dota 2 at 1080p high settings with 2x4gb 2666mhz cl16 ram, fps around 40-60 (if I didn't remember wrongly). So even if you change your mind and want to play a bit of games it's okay too.

Different ppl gonna tell you different things, you just see the suggestions everyone give you and decide for yourself which one makes more sense for you.

Edit: Oh ya you can reuse your R7850. it's twice as powerful as 2200G's iGPU. But since you not gaming can consider giving it to friends or family to use.

You can pm me if you want my help.
 
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CPU: Ryzen 3 2200G
Mobo: ASRock A320M HDV R4.0 $75
Ram: 2x4GB ddr4 2666mhz cl15 or cl16 $80+- (don't get the cl19 ones)
GPU: Integrated Graphics of 2200G -- good enough for 720p gaming
SSD: Reuse, but considering ssd so cheap now you can also consider upgrading to a new 240gb for like $50+-
HDD: Reuse
DVD Drive: Reuse, but honestly these days not much ppl still using DVD. Can consider ditching it.
PSU: Any 80+ PSU, preferably the cheapest one you can find with with 3-5 years warranty. $55-$60 fsp hyper k 500w 80+ 5 years warranty
Case: Tecware cheap matx cases $40-$50 or just reuse your old case unless you tired of the same look

If your PC specs are the ones on your right, then the ram can't be reused as it's ddr3 ram.

For ddr4 ram you only really need 2x4GB, don't get 1x8GB. Always go for 2 sticks of ram if you are using the iGPU (integrated gpu).
I'm asking you to get 2x4gb 2666mhz cl15/16 because local price of 2666mhz rams have fallen, you can get them around the same price as 2x4gb 2400mhz cl15.
But while ideally you'll like to have 2x4gb 3000mhz/3200mhz, local price still very high unless you go for overseas newegg set then it'll be cheap but warranty need ship back overseas yourself.

Recommended $109+ B450 mobo, because can overclock cpu/iGPU + future upgrade path. But no point if you using only for office work and watching show. Might as well just get a cheaper $75 A320 mobo that can't overclock cpu/iGPU. Plus you don't sound like the kind who will bother with overclocking the CPU/iGPU.

Make sure you get the R4.0 one not earlier versions of the same model of a320 mobo, because the BIOS version is updated for Ryzen 2000 on that one.

Even without overclocking the iGPU of 2200G it's enough for me to play dota 2 at 1080p high settings with 2x4gb 2666mhz cl16 ram, fps around 40-60 (if I didn't remember wrongly). So even if you change your mind and want to play a bit of games it's okay too.

Different ppl gonna tell you different things, you just see the suggestions everyone give you and decide for yourself which one makes more sense for you.

Edit: Oh ya you can reuse your R7850. it's twice as powerful as 2200G's iGPU. But since you not gaming can consider giving it to friends or family to use.

You can pm me if you want my help.

Thanks for your help.
Yea maybe can still casually game using my existing GPU.

I will get the B450 model since it is just a little more.
but can you recommend the exact model that i should get?
i look at the price list, there is a couple brand n models.

Other than that i should be good to go :)
 

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can consider a nuc?

Not worth. NUCs without the ram alone are about the same price or more expensive as a prebuilt 2400G with less processing speed. And the iGPU in the NUC is pure garbage compared to AMD's APUs. You couldnt even play do much light gaming comfortably on an NUC even if you wanted to in the future.
 
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Hi joventay, you can consider the parts below for your build. Links to the product page and where to buy are included. Shop names are in brackets on the right side. Additional notes are found below the build cost.

(1) CPU: Ryzen 3 2200G - $120 * (Amazon Prime Now)
(2) MB: Asrock B450M-HDV - $98 ** (Lazada)
(3) RAM: G.Skill RIPJAWS V DDR4 2666Mhz CL15 8GB (4GB x 2pcs) - $89 (PC Themes)
(4) PSU: EVGA 500 BV 80+ BRONZE 500W PSU - $77 (Lazada)
(5) Casing:
Option 1 (Not reusing DVD writer):
Tecware Nexus M Tempered Glass Micro-ATX Case - $49 (Lazada)
Option 2 (Reuse DVD writer):
Fractal Design Focus G Mini Window - $75 (PC Themes)

Reuse SSD and Hard Disk

Total:

Above parts with Option 1 casing = $433
Above parts with Option 2 casing = $459

* Price after using code DBS20 for S$20 off min S$50 first order with DBS/POSB cards
** Price after using code DBSTHURS for S$10 off min $80 purchase with DBS/POSB cards every Thursday
 

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Hi joventay, you can consider the parts below for your build. Links to the product page and where to buy are included. Shop names are in brackets on the right side. Additional notes are found below the build cost.

(1) CPU: Ryzen 3 2200G - $120 * (Amazon Prime Now)
(2) MB: Asrock B450M-HDV - $98 ** (Lazada)
(3) RAM: G.Skill RIPJAWS V DDR4 2666Mhz CL15 8GB (4GB x 2pcs) - $89 (PC Themes)
(4) PSU: EVGA 500 BV 80+ BRONZE 500W PSU - $77 (Lazada)
(5) Casing:
Option 1 (Not reusing DVD writer):
Tecware Nexus M Tempered Glass Micro-ATX Case - $49 (Lazada)
Option 2 (Reuse DVD writer):
Fractal Design Focus G Mini Window - $75 (PC Themes)

Reuse SSD and Hard Disk

Total:

Above parts with Option 1 casing = $433
Above parts with Option 2 casing = $459

* Price after using code DBS20 for S$20 off min S$50 first order with DBS/POSB cards
** Price after using code DBSTHURS for S$10 off min $80 purchase with DBS/POSB cards every Thursday


dont mind i ask u a question. You played a call archmage/magewar long time ago?
 

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https://www.techspot.com/bestof/amd-b450-motherboards/

Hi bro, since you're building a budget PC I'll suggest ASRock B450M HDV R4.0.

Do take note that this is a decent entry/budget B450 mobo, but not suitable for heavy overclocking due to insufficient power phase + vrm heatsink compared to higher end models. It's advisable to only overclock the iGPU of your 2200G, not both iGPU and CPU at the same time due to the limitations of your CPU stock cooler + Mobo power phase/vrm heatsink.

https://www.techspot.com/article/1579-overclocking-guide-ryzen-3-2200g/

You can learn how to overclock the iGPU and CPU here, but just overclock the iGPU only as the bottleneck is mostly the iGPU.

For PSU, the $77 EVGA BV 500w bronze 80+ the other guy suggested has 0-30 degrees operating temperature, 3 years warranty and higher 80+ bronze tier rating (which usually correlates to higher quality, but may not always be the case) while the $55 FSP Hyper K 500w+ I suggested has 0-40 degrees operating temperature, 5 years warranty and a lower 80+ white tier rating..

Frankly speaking both of them are group-regulated "low tier PSUs", some people might mistake the higher tier EVGA B for the lower tier and mostly missing from PSU tier list EVGA BV just like FSP Hyper K.

EVGA B has 0-40 degrees operating temperature while BV has 0-30 degrees.

Personally I think the cheaper FSP one is a better buy with the longer warranty and lower price, as I don't like to play with luck although it's unlikely the EVGA one will fail immediately after 3 years. But I will not be using the FSP Hyper K for heavy overclocking (eg. if you upgrade to Ryzen 5 2600 or higher), I would change to a proper higher tier PSU. But for budget use and light iGPU overclocking it should still be fine, assuming you are even going to overclock the iGPU.

I included an m.2 ssd, which doesn't need cables. Just screw onto the mobo so less cable and more tidy. It's usually around the same price as sata or more expensive by a little, but I found a good deal for this. Budget ssds are dramless but not an issue for normal consumers. No reason to get higher tier ssds for a budget build.


CPU: Ryzen 3 2200G (I don't have good lobang for this, amazon prime one I know about it but didn't suggest as most people don't have membership. But sometimes can get for $12x during shopee/lazada sales when they have big vouchers + bank promos)

MOBO $108: https://www.lazada.sg/products/asro...42.searchlist.list.35.65511378BrIEVC&search=1

PSU $55: https://shopee.sg/FSP-Hyper-K-500W-80-White-5Years-Warranty-i.16573133.664705852

240GB m.2 SSD: https://shopee.sg/WD-Green-PC-SSD-S...State-Drive-120GB-240GB-i.16573133.1565084607

PC Case 1: Tecware Nexus M $45

https://www.lazada.sg/products/tecw...42.searchlist.list.19.43387e38QyHIjf&search=1

Don't use the other guy's $48 link, there's a $45 seller. You just have to search for "tecware" and sort by cheapest in lazada to see the $45 seller selling in 4 diff colors.

PC Case 2: Armaggeddon Hagane H-1 $39.90 + $3.99 shipping qoo10, can use $5 off $40 qoo10 coupon make it $39 nett after shipping (need to top up 10 cents 20 cents junk item with free shipping to make cart $40 to use coupon)

https://www.qoo10.sg/item/ARMAGGEDD...BLE-FAST-DELIVERY/641280056?banner_no=1305330

For budget PC I don't see any need to go PC case >$50

DDR4 Ram: 2x4GB Kingston/Crucial 2666mhz CL15/16 ddr4

Cheapest online $92 shopee/lazada now, cheapest at sim lim $90 at techdeals.

If you live/work in the East and drive, PM me your number if you're interested to get a BNIB sealed kingston 2x4GB 2666mhz cl15 local set ddr4 ram for $75 from my block. Bought a few months back but didn't open or use, warranty seal still in tact.
I can't PM you directly as you have blocked PMs.

Other than the bank promos the other guy mentioned, there's also citibank $8 off $60 on lazada daily at 9am (goes out really fast in 1-2mins) and $6 off $50 citibank on shopee currently at 12am daily (top up $2 free shipping junk item with the $48 m.2 ssd).
 

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Hijack thread a bit, is the tray version Ryzen worth to get?
 

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The Amazon Prime Now membership is free for 30 days. Orders that are $40 and above have free shipping. After buying the item, TS can cancel it with no penalties.

The B450 motherboard can allow for a little overclocking of your CPU (if needed), and it is also more stable than the A320 motherboard that the other guy recommended if you want to run higher speed RAM in the future. This link shows the instability of the A320 motherboard when running higher speed RAM: https://www.techspot.com/article/1584-amd-a320-vs-b350-motherboards/.

The G.Skill rams have heat sinks and thus can overclock better if needed. Kingston/Crucial rams do not have heat sinks. Aesthetically, the red and black of the G.Skill rams look better than with the Asrock motherboard than the green of the Kingston/Crucial.

The EVGA Bronze rated power supply will be more power efficient than the white rated FSP Hyper K. TS will save more on electricity bills. EVGA also uses better components than FSP which helps if you overclock.

The Fractal Design Focus G has good airflow and 3.5inch bays should TS reuse his DVD-writer. Please do not buy the Armageddon casing as they are not known for their casings and their quality isn't very good. At the bare minimum, I would advise that TS should go for the Tecware casing.

I recommended DBS/POSB card promos as most people have DBS/POSB cards and the discounts are more than Citibank for the parts that TS is purchasing.
 
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The Amazon Prime Now membership is free for 30 days. Orders that are $40 and above have free shipping. After buying the item, TS can cancel it with no penalties.

The B450 motherboard can allow for a little overclocking of your CPU (if needed), and it is also more stable than the A320 motherboard that the other guy recommended if you want to run higher speed RAM in the future. This link shows the instability of the A320 motherboard when running higher speed RAM: https://www.techspot.com/article/1584-amd-a320-vs-b350-motherboards/.

The G.Skill rams have heat sinks and thus can overclock better if needed. Kingston/Crucial rams do not have heat sinks. Aesthetically, the red and black of the G.Skill rams look better than with the Asrock motherboard than the green of the Kingston/Crucial.

The EVGA Bronze rated power supply will be more power efficient than the white rated FSP Hyper K. TS will save more on electricity bills. EVGA also uses better components than FSP which helps if you overclock.

The Fractal Design Focus G has good airflow and 3.5inch bays should TS reuse his DVD-writer. Please do not buy the Armageddon casing as they are not known for their casings and their quality isn't very good. At the bare minimum, I would advise that TS should go for the Tecware casing.

I recommended DBS/POSB card promos as most people have DBS/POSB cards and the discounts are more than Citibank for the parts that TS is purchasing.

The techspot article is outdated. Do take note that I am recommending the ASRock A320M HDV R4.0 with improved VRMs which supports up to 105W CPUs, not the early version of A320M HDV (R1.0) which supports up to 65W CPUs.

I've used a similar 65W rated ASRock AB350M HDV (R1.0) before to OC a 2200G's iGPU only (no OC on cpu) and even then it's pretty underwhelming.

Ram OC issues have more to do with the mobo BIOS than the mobo itself. I have friends stuck on 2133mhz on B350 mobos until they updated to newer BIOS. (By the time B450 came out the BIOS versions are already much more stable)

I am using the ASRock A320M HDV R4.0 myself with kingston 2x4GB 3000mhz cl15 ram OC-ed with no issues.

The green kingston/crucial rams you are talking about are the trash 2666mhz CL19 rams that I specifically asked TS not to buy. None of the 2666mhz CL15/16 kingston/crucial rams that I recommended come with the ugly green PCB, they all have heatsinks and are of varying color themes from white/red/black/grey.

https://www.hyperxgaming.com/us/memory/fury-ddr4
https://www.crucial.com/usa/en/memory-ballistix-sport

G.Skill also carries those trashy 2666mhz CL19 ddr4 rams as well. I'm not saying G.Skill rams are bad, they also have proper 2666mhz CL15. The speed and latency is what's important, I just happened to mention kingston/crucial only, but g.skill is just as good. In fact the $92 online one I mentioned is the g.skill 2666mhz cl15.


https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...ency-power-supplies-cut-your-electricity-bill

For PSUs, there is only a 2-5% efficiency difference between white and bronze 80+. But most importantly you cannot save electricity from power that is not being used.

A 2200G setup with no dedicated graphics can run on a mere 150w pico PSU. Plus with that amount of load the efficiency difference between white and bronze 80+ is only around 2%.

If you are going for serious overclocking, you will not be buying a low tier group regulated unit PSU like the EVGA BV (which is a lower tier than the EVGA B on linustechtips PSU tier list, do not mistake them for the same model) or FSP Hyper K.

There are certain parts inside the EVGA BV which is better than the FSP Hyper K, hence the bronze rating. But when you see the $22 higher price, 2 years shorter warranty and the lousier normal operating temperature rating of 0-30 degrees (most budget PSU has 0-40 degrees rating like FSP Hyper K) it's not really that much better. You can make the decision for yourself, nothing wrong if you feel that the EVGA BV is better after reading our comments and choose to get that one instead.

I have used quite a series of cheap PC cases from Tecware, Armaggeddon to the middle range NZXT and even taobao SFF cases. Let's just say that cheap stuff will definitely feel cheap, you get what you pay for. I don't think there is a difference between Armaggeddon's mainstream products like keyboard/mouse and their lesser known stuff like PC case. The Armaggeddon keyboard/mouse/pc case all feel cheap lol just like Tecware's PC case material.

But for a budget build what is important is functionality. As long as it works well, looks decent it's alright.

It's hard to find a place where you can get a nice looking tempered glass MATX case with a large 140mm RGB fan (controllable by the reset switch) for under $40 including shipping.

But it's good that we're recommending different things so TS has more choices to look at whether they're good or bad. Just because something may be considered to be better/worse doesn't mean TS can't prefer the other one. :)

I don't recommend Citibank card promos over POSB card promos, just sharing about other promos in case it comes in helpful for TS. :) In some cases the citibank promos are more worth it when the items you want to buy are only $50 or $60 at most like ssd PSU etc.

Do share more promos if you have them so that TS and others may benefit from it too!
 
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