Need help on SSD.

[The_King]

Please advise?

which is the most reliable ssd?

samsung 840pro or intel 730

samsung 840 pro 256gb----- $278

intel 730 240gb------$263(amazon)

thank a lot

 

[jtjt00]

Crucial, Samsung, Plextor & Intel are reliable.

 

[ClementChong]

If you are going for either two, take note that Intel 730 is more power hungry compared to any other brand (since it is using the same enterprise controller as DC S3500 only faster).

 

[The_King]

just check from amazon that intel DC S3700 100 GB cost about around $330.


anyone using it.

 

[yusoffb01]

no since its enterprise

 

[The_King]

if enterprise does that mean it can last longer?

 

[Encrypted11]

if enterprise does that mean it can last longer?

The main selling point is
-guaranteed write endurance (total host writes it is rated to last, if it fails prematurely its covered under warranty)
-Higher performance consistency/stability (enterprises want more predicably with the operations of their IT systems instead of having extreme highs and lows ideally)
-Better validated software, possibly lower clocked parts in the name of stability.

Overall, not advisable to get a server/data center SSD for use in a desktop/laptop/client system... you won't even do 10 full drive writes worth of data on a daily basis, over-warranted for a consumer pc. Like a 200GB rated with 10 drive write per day... do u need 2TB of writes a day on a normal pc for say 5 years?..

The main thing Intel does with the DC3700 SSD is that it sets a hefty overprovision by sacrificing more disk space compared to consumer SSDs (unallocated disk space that works like an extra cache in a manner) to improve performance of the SSD when stressed.
i.e. The 200gb model is physically a 256GB SSD, with ~56GB set as the overprovisioned area.

As a consumer if id like consistent performance on mySSD, I'd rather spend my SSD budget for a top consumer SSD like the 840 Pro, i.e. 256GB model, set 56 GB OP (which is rather extreme) or in fact, you could even have enough budget to make a capacity upgrade from choosing a consumer SSD..

A good consumer SSD's rated write endurance is able to outlast years of usage with moderate to heavy use easily. Current MLC SSDs offerings tend to be rated from 20-50GB of writes per day.

I would not favour overclocked or agreesively binned SSDs like the Intel 730.. we're talking about reliable data storage. Not the Intel 5xx series Sandforce SSDs also.

 

[The_King]

thanks all the info, i have a better understanding how SSD work . i will get 840 pro 256GB.

but 1 more thing why not the Intel 5xx series Sandforce SSDs?

thanks a lot

 

[Encrypted11]

tel started outsourcing their SSD controllers to sandforce since the beginning of the 300 - 600 series i thibk. Each iteration of sandforce controllers were plagued with rreliability issues when released, like the trim bug, bsod etc...

Though Intel makes some of the top crop sandforce based ssds, still, they're sandforce based.

Point to note: though Samsung makes reliable and toptier ssds in performance, their customer service is known to be poor.

Though I must say with ssds from reliable manufacturers like crucial, intel and Samsung, if you get a lemon it either dies out of the box or within weeks on moderate to heavy use or dies probably 24/7 powered on after a week or 2.

If they make it past the "burn in" period, they'll be very likely to last for the long run just like most of the tech products out there.

 

[Encrypted11]

Btw I'd assume the intel 730 price you grabbed is in usd while the 840 pro is in sgd.

On amazon the 840 pro is priced ~197. If you wouldn't mind a lower write endurance (only matters if you run data writing intensive stuff) 840 evo's 500 gb modelis priced in a rather sweet spot.

You arent putting that much stress on your SSD compared to your CPU and GPU while doing tasks like gaming.

That said, among current SSDs you are not going to see a lot of difference in performance while running consumer workloads unless you constantly run data heavy stuffs.

In terms of loading speeds, you're probably going to see negligible or just couple of seconds in differences at most in the real world.

So actually an SSD from a reliable manufacturer is all you need. The average review scores off Amazon will tell you how good or poorly they fare from a normal user's perspective. (Without looking at benchmarks and scientific tests).

 

[The_King]

intel 730 is about USD 209 convert to SGD is around 263 (free shipping).

And if i was to get samsung 840 pro. i might as well get the 100GB which at amazon is at USD109 vs 256GB UGD197

that way as could get the two 840 pro 100gb and run them in raid 0

i am still using core 2 duo E6550 and intel desktop DG33FB.(too bad intel no long making motherboard, i would have a much easier option if intel is still making board, either msi Mpower or asrock, i hope i choose the right option)

and the reason i like about intel is the RMA.

if given a choice what would you choose? reliable and longevity is what i am looking for.

840pro 100GB X 2 in raid 0 USD 218

840pro 256GB USD 197

intel 730 240GB USD 209


Encrypted11 thanks a lot for your help. thank you

 

[crystalnox]

Skip the RAID, a single SSD alone is fast enough for your c2d. Personally I would pick intel for reliability, but the 840 pro is pretty decent too.

 

[Encrypted11]

I would help you distill your thoughts on decision making. But its a no go for RAIDing SSDs. It's only useful in the HDD era because they could not saturate the maximum trasfer rates of the SATA controller at any point.

In the SSD age, the risk of data loss from running a RAID is no longer worth it because SSDS are extremely fast. RAIDing SSDs will give you great benchmarks but in reality, you're not going to see a huge performance jump over use of a single ssd.

You don't need RAID with SSDs.

On your SSD choice, my opinion is that Intel enforces planned obsolesence heavily. This can be seen with the 500/300 series SSDs where certain critical bugs were not fixed. Instead, the fix was only introduced to the refreshed version of the SSD. One example was Intel 520 to 530 (530 is a refreshed 520 with 20nm instead of 25nm flash).


1. Widest compatibility testing, best system compatibility with probably the widest range of PCs, Macs and legacy Macs included - Samsung 830/840 series, but Crucial caught up when they came up with the M500-550 series line up, after the M4 which was botched with certain issues like the frequent need to "power cycle" the SSDs when used on certain PCs (documented on crucial forums). At a certain point, the Samsung drives were the only mac friendly SSDs but other makers like Crucial joined the game.

I wouldn't say Intel comes close in compatibility testing and they aren't as forgiving with legacy and phased out systems.

2. Best warranty, goes to Intel, Crucial, followed by Samsung in this pack.

3. Reliability. In endurance terms, Samsung's track record beats all the competition in track record, referring to the xtremesystems write endurance test where most good SSDs failed after 600TB-1PB writes, while the Sansung 830 died after nearly 6PB of writes..

The tests were sick and not does not attempt to simluate more realistic workloads and most people wouldn't write that much data m, the results were interesting though.




Looks like the price of the 730 has fallen considerably and is quite competitive with offerings from other manufacturers making high performance SSDs.

Crucial M500-550 (mainstream performance), Samsung 840 series and Intel 730 are all good choices and are reliable. Weigh what's most important for you in the 3 areas i pointed above.

The intel 730 is a break off from Intel's sandforce SSD lineup. But it's very new. The sandforce lineup was bad, varying reliability levels depending on the system used actually.

 

[The_King]

thanks a lot,

it look like i will not go wrong with either 840pro and intel 730 as both are Reliable.

thanks a lot cause i am not in a rush to get it. i get intel 730 when amazon having a offer in the near future if there none then it will be 840 pro at local shop for the warranty. as i believe samsung brought from amazon does not have international warranty


thanks a lot