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Hi, I'm an old graduate of ntu biz marketing (>5yrs), but I am interested in the finance field of stocks / investment, so I hope someone can give me an advice on what professional route to take to embark on my dream and passion ( I know it sounds contradictory but its a very long story). To date my working experience is totally non financial related.

I have decided to make a mid career change and I think that the best way to make up for my lack of finance and accounting knowledge is to:

1) Take up SQP foundation program and join an ATO to become a CA, then onwards to a finance firm as Financial Analyst.

Does anyone thinks it is feasible? Or am I taking a roundabout route and I should start interning in finance firms instead since I already had a Business degree although the specialization is in marketing?

If so, can someone advice me on how to get onto the path of becoming a financial analyst for a mid career changer?

Many thanks :)
 

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If you take SQP, you have to start from the beginning as you have a non related degree.

I believe your work related experience is in the marketing field?

What makes you want to switch over to finance in just a short period of time? Are you clearly sure this is what you really wanted?

I have seen and heard many people switch to finance cause this is the easiest and shortest path to do a career switch and clearly they don't even know what they really want to do and never go far.

I think you need to sit down and think what you really plan and intend to do. Not just take the easy way out.
 

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If you take SQP, you have to start from the beginning as you have a non related degree.

I believe your work related experience is in the marketing field?

What makes you want to switch over to finance in just a short period of time? Are you clearly sure this is what you really wanted?

I have seen and heard many people switch to finance cause this is the easiest and shortest path to do a career switch and clearly they don't even know what they really want to do and never go far.

I think you need to sit down and think what you really plan and intend to do. Not just take the easy way out.

I think TS has already decided on what he wants to do, judging from the 'sounds contradictory but very long story'.

BUT TS,

1. What do you mean by being a 'financial analyst'? It is a very broad term, and some people have misconceptions about the term too.

2. I agree with Successor that SQP is a loooong way and may not even bring you to where you wanna be! Unless you wanna be in the Finance department of a bank/financial institution. Again, this depends on Qn1.

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'Finance department' is mostly accounting and internal audit.
'Finance industry' in general refers to banking (which can be broken into retail banking, corporate banking, investment banking and private banking) and investment management (many different types too!).

Have you considered CFA?

3. THIS IS VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, especially if you wanna go into fund management :) It not only equips you with finance knowledge but also shows potential employers you are really interested in finance!:s12:
 

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Although CFA requirement is to hold a degree, it will be tough for a non finance background guy.

I believe in what he posted, he has totally zero background. CFA starts at year 2-3 finance undergraduate students all the way to honors level that most people learn. It will be difficult for him to catch up with the academic rigour unless he wants to have some finance background lessons.

The passing rate for level 1 is only barely 50%

Secondly, since TS mention this was a long time dream. Why have you only started to pursue now? Why didn't you started working in finance roles after you graduated? It really do not make me believe you have passion for the finance field.
 
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Although CFA requirement is to hold a degree, it will be tough for a non finance background guy.

I believe in what he posted, he has totally zero background. CFA starts at year 2-3 finance undergraduate students all the way to honors level that most people learn. It will be difficult for him to catch up with the academic rigour unless he wants to have some finance background lessons.

The passing rate for level 1 is only barely 50%

Secondly, since TS mention this was a long time dream. Why have you only started to pursue now? Why didn't you started working in finance roles after you graduated? It really do not make me believe you have passion for the finance field.

Hmm true too.. But maybe circumstances did not allow him to choose to major in finance in uni? (e.g. family biz to take care, scholarship requirement)

Fully agree with Successor that if TS is really interested, should at least find out more about it, even when studying marketing and working in marketing.

Well, let's see what is TS' definition of 'financial analyst' and we talk from there :s22:
 
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Thank you for the many replies.

Have you considered CFA?

Yes, I have considered CFA. I actually took it some years ago but failed level one. I'm actually thinking of taking it again after i complete my CA.

If you take SQP, you have to start from the beginning as you have a non related degree.

I believe your work related experience is in the marketing field?

What makes you want to switch over to finance in just a short period of time? Are you clearly sure this is what you really wanted?

I have seen and heard many people switch to finance cause this is the easiest and shortest path to do a career switch and clearly they don't even know what they really want to do and never go far.

I think you need to sit down and think what you really plan and intend to do. Not just take the easy way out.

Many thanks for the concern and advice. I'm quite sure that my heart is in finance, more along the lines of trading / investments. I'm actually in the education field and doing pretty well there. I never liked marketing >.<

I think TS has already decided on what he wants to do, judging from the 'sounds contradictory but very long story'.

BUT TS,

1. What do you mean by being a 'financial analyst'? It is a very broad term, and some people have misconceptions about the term too.

2. I agree with Successor that SQP is a loooong way and may not even bring you to where you wanna be! Unless you wanna be in the Finance department of a bank/financial institution. Again, this depends on Qn1.

Note:
'Finance department' is mostly accounting and internal audit.
'Finance industry' in general refers to banking (which can be broken into retail banking, corporate banking, investment banking and private banking) and investment management (many different types too!).



3. THIS IS VERY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, especially if you wanna go into fund management :) It not only equips you with finance knowledge but also shows potential employers you are really interested in finance!:s12:

Yep you are correct.

For me, I think that financial analyst is someone who analyses companies and judge whether they are worth to invest in or not. I'm thinking along the path of financial analyst >>> portfolio manager.

2) Hah.. yea, i counted the years for SQP and agree that its long, that's why im asking for advice whether this route is feasible to ultimately get into financial analyst position, and at the same time still have something to eat and fall back on since im no longer that young anymore (late twenties). I'm thnking being a CA can at least improve my stats on financial accounting background to counter my non finance degree :(

3) Yep I know CFA is really good but it's not easy to pass all three levels, considering i failed even level one. I don't wish to stay in my current field and retake my CFA (besides its non financial and CFA will need 3 years finance working experience). Im thinking going into accounting can help with the working experience.

Although CFA requirement is to hold a degree, it will be tough for a non finance background guy.

I believe in what he posted, he has totally zero background. CFA starts at year 2-3 finance undergraduate students all the way to honors level that most people learn. It will be difficult for him to catch up with the academic rigour unless he wants to have some finance background lessons.

The passing rate for level 1 is only barely 50%

Secondly, since TS mention this was a long time dream. Why have you only started to pursue now? Why didn't you started working in finance roles after you graduated? It really do not make me believe you have passion for the finance field.

I have worked as trading assistant, book keeper in small firm and financial consultant. But the longest ive worked in is in the education sector. All this time i have been learning to trade on my own but I need capital and lots of guts lol.

Hmm true too.. But maybe circumstances did not allow him to choose to major in finance in uni? (e.g. family biz to take care, scholarship requirement)

Fully agree with Successor that if TS is really interested, should at least find out more about it, even when studying marketing and working in marketing.

Well, let's see what is TS' definition of 'financial analyst' and we talk from there :s22:

Thanks for the vote of confidence. All along i have wanted to major in finance but i was streamed into marketing instead because of my bad grades when i screwed up atrociously at a critical streaming semester due to r/s problems. I was depressed and rebellious for very long after that, thinking that i can make it on my own by trading. Suffice to say, i screwed up even more due to my rebelliousness. Now that im much older and more matured, i want to begin again on my dream but this time on a more secure and realistic track.

It is amazing how one can screw up their life by being too proud to ask for help when its needed. This is actually the first time im asking for help on the direction i should be taking to embark on my dream after a series of wreckages, but im working on it and asking more people for advice and help and networking etc.

This post is super long. Thanks for reading. Any advice will be appreciated. :)
 

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You're welcomed. Thanks for sharing more with us :)

Ok, now we have a much better idea of what you know and aim to be. From what you say, you are interested in buy-side research, and eventually be promoted to the rank of a portfolio manager.

Rearranged your post abit..

Yes, I have considered CFA. I actually took it some years ago but failed level one. I'm actually thinking of taking it again after i complete my CA.

3) Yep I know CFA is really good but it's not easy to pass all three levels, considering i failed even level one. I don't wish to stay in my current field and retake my CFA (besides its non financial and CFA will need 3 years finance working experience). Im thinking going into accounting can help with the working experience.

Well.. I just took my level 1 last Dec, think I'm gonna fail as well. Even if I pass, won't take level 2&3, damn shag. But my job won't really need it so it's ok.

While accounting work counts as working exp for CFA, I think the accounting experience will not make investment firms wanna hire you unless your accounting work involves analysis, so you gotta choose your accounting work properly.. From what I see, AP/AR/Audit = No analysis at all in entry level (don't know how senior you can be if you switch now), so I am not sure what type of accounting work will lead you to where you want to be.

Of course, to analyse firms you have to study the financial statements. But I really dont think SQP is needed to do that!! Go buy a book on financial accounting and another on company valuation. Read equity research reports to know what analysts look out for.

Not sure how much does SQP cost, but I personally feel that if you really need lessons, you should take lessons for CFA instead.

Many thanks for the concern and advice. I'm quite sure that my heart is in finance, more along the lines of trading / investments. I'm actually in the education field and doing pretty well there. I never liked marketing >.<

For me, I think that financial analyst is someone who analyses companies and judge whether they are worth to invest in or not. I'm thinking along the path of financial analyst >>> portfolio manager.

That's cool. And I think it is possible to do the switch as long as you are willing to put in the effort. I'm more familiar with sell-side tho.. Not sure how it works on the buy-side so hopefully there's a buy-side guy here to share more.

2) Hah.. yea, i counted the years for SQP and agree that its long, that's why im asking for advice whether this route is feasible to ultimately get into financial analyst position, and at the same time still have something to eat and fall back on since im no longer that young anymore (late twenties). I'm thnking being a CA can at least improve my stats on financial accounting background to counter my non finance degree :(

I have worked as trading assistant, book keeper in small firm and financial consultant. But the longest ive worked in is in the education sector. All this time i have been learning to trade on my own but I need capital and lots of guts lol.

Yes SQP is a long way, and when you eventually become a buy-side analyst you need a few more years before you can be a (junior) portfolio manager, by then your age is already quite senior.

I see where you're coming from.. But I don't think being very well-versed in accounting alone will make you a good analyst.. You gotta train up some market sense. And to train up market sense you have to trade. Monitor market (sg-listed ones at least), do some analysis. No capital can at least trade in demo accounts and see your results. If you do well (E.g. show that you have a sound strategy to beat STI), you can bring this up in interview => proves your interest in investing + good analysis.

Your exp as trading assistant: what kind of trading? If financial securities, this is more finance-related than accounting.

Thanks for the vote of confidence. All along i have wanted to major in finance but i was streamed into marketing instead because of my bad grades when i screwed up atrociously at a critical streaming semester due to r/s problems. I was depressed and rebellious for very long after that, thinking that i can make it on my own by trading. Suffice to say, i screwed up even more due to my rebelliousness. Now that im much older and more matured, i want to begin again on my dream but this time on a more secure and realistic track.
SEE I KNEW IT. But didn't know NTU has streaming..

It is amazing how one can screw up their life by being too proud to ask for help when its needed. This is actually the first time im asking for help on the direction i should be taking to embark on my dream after a series of wreckages, but im working on it and asking more people for advice and help and networking etc.

Good step, keep it up!

I believe at your age you have some sort of expenses (car, house, family) you have to meet? Not sure what's your salary expectation but be prepared to take a pay cut when you switch.

I would suggest:

1. Take CFA lessons while still working as what you're doing now. Read alot alot about finance. Start trading.
2. Complete Level 1, see if you can find a job in an investment mgmt firm. May not be something as fancy as analyst but if you're lucky, smaller firms may just hire you!
3. Even if you can't find a job in #2, continue working as what you're working and complete Level 2.
4. Repeat #2 and #3 for Level 3.

You don't need to have a CFA before you can enter, what is more important is you are determined and on the way to getting a CFA, who knows, your employer may even sponsor your Level 2 and 3!

You gotta work extra extra hard in keeping abreast with finance and economics news. During interviews show that your passion, determination and analytic skills is so impressive that they don't care if you have a finance bachelor degree or not.
 
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while i am too inexperienced to offer any form of substantial advice, i stumbled on this post and just wan to wish you all the best. it take alot of courage to have a mid career change.

on a side note, I have heard that having a CFA does not necessarily guarantee you a investment related job?
 

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while i am too inexperienced to offer any form of substantial advice, i stumbled on this post and just wan to wish you all the best. it take alot of courage to have a mid career change.

on a side note, I have heard that having a CFA does not necessarily guarantee you a investment related job?

Yup it is no guarantee. just a qualification to show you know how to do it and is at least passionate enough to complete all 3 levels. Whether you're good at it is another question altogether :D:D:D
 

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You're welcomed. Thanks for sharing more with us :)

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I would suggest:

1. Take CFA lessons while still working as what you're doing now. Read alot alot about finance. Start trading.
2. Complete Level 1, see if you can find a job in an investment mgmt firm. May not be something as fancy as analyst but if you're lucky, smaller firms may just hire you!
3. Even if you can't find a job in #2, continue working as what you're working and complete Level 2.
4. Repeat #2 and #3 for Level 3.

You don't need to have a CFA before you can enter, what is more important is you are determined and on the way to getting a CFA, who knows, your employer may even sponsor your Level 2 and 3!

You gotta work extra extra hard in keeping abreast with finance and economics news. During interviews show that your passion, determination and analytic skills is so impressive that they don't care if you have a finance bachelor degree or not
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Thank you keentolearn for your valuable advice, insight and encouraging post! :)

I'll keep your advice and suggestions in mind and ruminate on it. Although I might still have to go SQP route cos' if i stay in my current career, i will be bonded for the next four years and it will really be a death sentence to my ambition as i will definitely be too busy to study for anything then. If either way i will have no life for the next 4 years as auditor or otherwise, then at least being on accounting side will give me the financial experience i need.

Thank you for your practical advice that i have highlighted in bold. It will give me something to work on in the meantime and gave me plenty hope.

Lastly, I wish you good luck for your CFA results as it will look really good on your resume! :D
 

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while i am too inexperienced to offer any form of substantial advice, i stumbled on this post and just wan to wish you all the best. it take alot of courage to have a mid career change.

on a side note, I have heard that having a CFA does not necessarily guarantee you a investment related job?

Thank you for your kind comments and well wishes :D Hope and kind words are powerful things.

I think having CFA does not guarantee a job but it does signal interest and will open doors for interviews.
 

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Thank you keentolearn for your valuable advice, insight and encouraging post! :)

I'll keep your advice and suggestions in mind and ruminate on it. Although I might still have to go SQP route cos' if i stay in my current career, i will be bonded for the next four years and it will really be a death sentence to my ambition as i will definitely be too busy to study for anything then. If either way i will have no life for the next 4 years as auditor or otherwise, then at least being on accounting side will give me the financial experience i need.

Thank you for your practical advice that i have highlighted in bold. It will give me something to work on in the meantime and gave me plenty hope.

Lastly, I wish you good luck for your CFA results as it will look really good on your resume! :D

Thanks for the good luck wish, I really need it to pass.

CFA REALLY signals interest. My ex-boss (internship) told me that.

The MBA suggestion is good as well, but I reckon the cost will be a lot more? The upside is you will have opportunities to meet potential employers in classes. Which reminds me, CFA Institute Singapore organises talks and networking sessions frequently. Haven't been to any but I think it'll be a good place to meet relevant people!

I think you better talk to more people before you quit the current job and dive into SQP.

Read this thread: http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/stocks-shares-indices-92/moving-financial-industry-4499997.html

All the best!

Side note: you do sound like a teacher :s13:
 
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I would say taking an MBA might be better for mid career applicant, of cos this is assuming you want to be a research analyst in an investment bank.

CFA is also ok in your case since most research analyst would need to take it ultimately, however it is not an easy paper and require alot of time commitment.

Thank you for your advice. The link was really helpful!
 

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Thanks for the good luck wish, I really need it to pass.

CFA REALLY signals interest. My ex-boss (internship) told me that.

The MBA suggestion is good as well, but I reckon the cost will be a lot more? The upside is you will have opportunities to meet potential employers in classes. Which reminds me, CFA Institute Singapore organises talks and networking sessions frequently. Haven't been to any but I think it'll be a good place to meet relevant people!

I think you better talk to more people before you quit the current job and dive into SQP.

All the best!

Side note: you do sound like a teacher :s13:

Hehe, thanks, I always try to be encouraging towards my students.

Wow, the linked thread was really relevant. Im gonna copy it onto my computer and think through the points given.

After reading it, I'm actually more inclined to go the SQP route now as even though its long, its more stable and i wont be putting all my eggs in one basket hoping for a finance firm to hire me. SQP foundation papers only take 5 months to complete, provided i pass everything.

I will have 6mths to one year time to think through my path while working full time. This CNY will be a busy time for me to start mining information from my accountant and HR relatives and friends :s13:
 
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