New HDB BTO Flat - How do you connect your Home Fiber Network

[gregory_choo]

Sorry forgot to mention it is a new BTO. I'll check if I have that network point when I go down this weekend.

Assuming I have that network point, is this how everything will be connected:

1 Router with cables to the network point in DB box(based on network points to be used) and 1 Router at each network point?

In this case I won't have to go for Mesh system since I have a network point in each room?

you need only one router in your house, put it in DB. connect the LAN port of the router to the patch panel in thge DB using short LAN cable.

suggest you change to m1 or starhub's 500Mbps plan, you will save more than $200 per year .

 

[valentinotan]

hello. new bto 4 room flat with the db box beside main door .

i am planning on just getting the ISP modem. then modem to a switch. switch to the 6 lan ports.

lan port 2 at the living room to be ubiquit LR. hopefully this can cover the whole house.

then in bedroom 3. another switch, to wire connect my pc and NAS.

will this idea or setup work?



RED TRIANGLE - ISP ROUTE (wireless off) / EDGEROUTER
GREEN PILL - NETWORK SWITCH
BLUE CIRCLE - UBIQUITI LR

TIA

update to this.

used a old BNIB linksys from previous recontract. put in DB box use as router. then got a tp-link 8 port switch.

patch to the patch panels.

main wireless router ASUS AX88 put in bedroom at the bottom right corner of the room. signal really great! even at the mbr toilet and the furthest corner of the mbr getting 300ish. which is sufficient for surfing.

 

[piggyblur]

Hi all I am trying to setup a mesh system with 3 XT8 via Ethernet back hual - 1 in DB box as main router and the other 2 in living room and master bedroom. I know this has been discussed many times but how do I address the heat issue for the router in dB box?

 

[guitarunited]

Hello guys hope I can get some good advice from the pros around here.
I got a google nest router and the WiFi as a gift but I don’t want to place my google nest router inside my db as that would be a waste in my 5 room hdb.

My proposed set up is:
ONT (from myrepublic) and a router (off wireless and set to bridged mode) inside the db box. The router will be plugged to AP 1 located in living room.

in the living room, my google nest router will be plugged into AP1 and then plugged into my tv.

I will then place the google nest WiFi in the master bedroom to create a wireless mesh.

will this set up work?

 

[gregory_choo]

Hello guys hope I can get some good advice from the pros around here.
I got a google nest router and the WiFi as a gift but I don’t want to place my google nest router inside my db as that would be a waste in my 5 room hdb.

My proposed set up is:
ONT (from myrepublic) and a router (off wireless and set to bridged mode) inside the db box. The router will be plugged to AP 1 located in living room.

in the living room, my google nest router will be plugged into AP1 and then plugged into my tv.

I will then place the google nest WiFi in the master bedroom to create a wireless mesh.

will this set up work?

if you are using wired backhaul, then it should work.

if without wired backhaul, there is no point to put the node in MBR, because if the signal in MBR is not good enough, the node cannot relay data, or if the signal in the MBR is good enough, you can do without the node.

the better way is to put the node halfway between the main node and MBR.

 

[guitarunited]

Ah. Thanks.

Google nest WiFi point got no Ethernet port so I can’t do a wired backhaul.

 

[b0ib0ii]

yes, you can use a dumb switch (not dummy switch).

suggest a 5-port switch.

ONR
lan 1 -> asus (set as AP)
lan 2 -> singtel tv
lan 3 -> unifi AP
lan 4 -> 5 port switch.

5 port switch
lan 1 -> ONR lan 4
lan 2 -> rm1
lan 3 -> rm2
lan 4 -> rm3
lan 5 -> spare

Hi guys,

Would like to check, currently this is my configuration (Router set to AP mode) as suggested by gregory.

If I were to change the ONR to bridged mode, can I run the below following config?

Bridged ONR:

ONR Port 1 -> Living room LAN port 1 (ASUS Router Mode)
ONR Port 2 -> Living Room LAN Port 2 (Singtel TV)
ONR Port 3 -> Unifi AP
ONR Port 4 -> Dummy 5 port Switch

5 port switch:

LAN 1 -> ONR LAN 4
LAN 2 -> Room 1
LAN 3 -> Room 2
LAN 4 -> Room 3
LAN 5 -> Spare

 

[xiaofan]

Hi guys,
Would like to check, currently this is my configuration (Router set to AP mode) as suggested by gregory.
If I were to change the ONR to bridged mode, can I run the below following config?
Bridged ONR:
ONR Port 1 -> Living room LAN port 1 (ASUS Router Mode)
ONR Port 2 -> Living Room LAN Port 2 (Singtel TV)
ONR Port 3 -> Unifi AP
ONR Port 4 -> Dummy 5 port Switch
5 port switch:
LAN 1 -> ONR LAN 4
LAN 2 -> Room 1
LAN 3 -> Room 2
LAN 4 -> Room 3
LAN 5 -> Spare

You are using Singtel 1Gbps plan? In that case NO.

Bridged ONR for SingTel 1Gbps plan: one port bridged for internet, up to three ports unbridged for SingTel TV box and no internet. So your ONR Port 3/4 connection will not work.

 

[gregory_choo]

Hi guys,

Would like to check, currently this is my configuration (Router set to AP mode) as suggested by gregory.

If I were to change the ONR to bridged mode, can I run the below following config?

Bridged ONR:

ONR Port 1 -> Living room LAN port 1 (ASUS Router Mode)
ONR Port 2 -> Living Room LAN Port 2 (Singtel TV)
ONR Port 3 -> Unifi AP
ONR Port 4 -> Dummy 5 port Switch

5 port switch:

LAN 1 -> ONR LAN 4
LAN 2 -> Room 1
LAN 3 -> Room 2
LAN 4 -> Room 3
LAN 5 -> Spare

let's don't discuss whether it will work.

ask one question first: what do you gain by setting asus to router mode?

 

[royfrosty]

Hi guys. Been a while that i posted in hwz.

I'm about to get my new BTO soon. Currently im on a 5Gbps plan and i understand that the new BTO comes with just CAT6 cables? I believe CAT6 supports 10G below a certain length right?

Just curious. Are the cables in the wall easy to replace by myself?

 

[gregory_choo]

Hi guys. Been a while that i posted in hwz.

I'm about to get my new BTO soon. Currently im on a 5Gbps plan and i understand that the new BTO comes with just CAT6 cables? I believe CAT6 supports 10G below a certain length right?

Just curious. Are the cables in the wall easy to replace by myself?

just curious. what type of devices/applications you are using that require you to go for such high speed?

 

[xiaofan]

Hi guys. Been a while that i posted in hwz.
I'm about to get my new BTO soon. Currently im on a 5Gbps plan and i understand that the new BTO comes with just CAT6 cables? I believe CAT6 supports 10G below a certain length right?
Just curious. Are the cables in the wall easy to replace by myself?

Is that legacy M1 5Gbps plan (M1 used to offer 2/5/10Gbps plan).

CAT6 should be enough for 10G Ethernet in typical home environment.
https://community.fs.com/blog/should-we-use-cat6-or-cat6a-for-10gbase-t.html
Cat6 Ethernet cable supports 10GBASE-T over a distance only between 37 and 55 meters depending on the alien crosstalk environment.

 

[Infernal]

Hi all, total noob here. need some advice for wireless mesh network setup in my new 4 room BTO flat.

I'm using the TP link deco M4 with 2 wireless router units.

I heard that ethernet backhaul is more stable that wireless backhaul, so I'm thinking of using an ethernet backhaul, with one unit in the living room below the TV and the other one in the MBR. I got the electrician to wire so that there are direct ports from the DB box to to both APs mentioned above.

The setup I was originally thinking of is:
Fiber termination point -> Singtel ONR -> AP1 -> Deco M4 unit
--> AP2 -> Deco M4 Unit
However, based on the first diagram provided in this link: https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/1794/, it seems that I need to directly wire the 2 deco units together? Or at least get an ethernet switch for it to function in AP mode only

My questions:
1) Do ethernet cables go "both ways", meaning if 1 Deco M4 unit is directly connected to any AP in the house (and connected to ONR), I can plug another Deco M4 unit into another AP and connect its corresponding port in the DB box to the ONR, will the second unit considered to be directly connected to the back of the first, resulting in an ethernet backhaul? (Referring to case 1 in the link provided)

2) Do I need to get a switch or does the ONR already function as a switch as it "splits" the data flow through the 4 ports at the back?

3) What is the difference between AP only mode and router mode?

Would really appreciate some help in the above matters. Total noob at this. Thanks in advance!

 

[magix]

Hi all, total noob here. need some advice for wireless mesh network setup in my new 4 room BTO flat.

I'm using the TP link deco M4 with 2 wireless router units.

I heard that ethernet backhaul is more stable that wireless backhaul, so I'm thinking of using an ethernet backhaul, with one unit in the living room below the TV and the other one in the MBR. I got the electrician to wire so that there are direct ports from the DB box to to both APs mentioned above.

The setup I was originally thinking of is:
Fiber termination point -> Singtel ONR -> AP1 -> Deco M4 unit
--> AP2 -> Deco M4 Unit
However, based on the first diagram provided in this link: https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/1794/, it seems that I need to directly wire the 2 deco units together? Or at least get an ethernet switch for it to function in AP mode only

My questions:
1) Do ethernet cables go "both ways", meaning if 1 Deco M4 unit is directly connected to any AP in the house (and connected to ONR), I can plug another Deco M4 unit into another AP and connect its corresponding port in the DB box to the ONR, will the second unit considered to be directly connected to the back of the first, resulting in an ethernet backhaul? (Referring to case 1 in the link provided)

2) Do I need to get a switch or does the ONR already function as a switch as it "splits" the data flow through the 4 ports at the back?

3) What is the difference between AP only mode and router mode?

Would really appreciate some help in the above matters. Total noob at this. Thanks in advance!

I installed a DECO a few month ago. I think before you deploy the 2nd node else where

- Hook the Deco up and make sure Node 1 and 2 can detect is other. (wire or wireless)
- In the APP switch to AP mode
- Once both node in AP node


IN AP mode
*ONR > Node 1 (location 1 // ONR Port 1)
*ONR > Node 2 (location 2 // ONR Port 2)


Right now in the app u should be able see 2nd node is ethernet (means ethernet backhaul)

As your ONR is already a router. To prevent double NAT suggest you can setup deco as AP mode. But in AP mode u will lose some function in the TP-LINK APP.


If you decide to run the deco in router mode. You are having 2 network

SingTel ONR Network A
DECO router mode Network B.

In order to let both Deco to have ethernet backhaul you need to hook Node 1 and 2 on the same network.

This is why you can't Node 2 directly to the ONR. Instead Node 2 has to be connect directly Node 1 LAN PORT. So they can see each other

ONR > Node 1 (location 1 // ONR Port 1)
Node 1 Port 1 > Node 2 (location 2 // Node 1 Port 1)

 

[gregory_choo]

Hi all, total noob here. need some advice for wireless mesh network setup in my new 4 room BTO flat.

I'm using the TP link deco M4 with 2 wireless router units.

I heard that ethernet backhaul is more stable that wireless backhaul, so I'm thinking of using an ethernet backhaul, with one unit in the living room below the TV and the other one in the MBR. I got the electrician to wire so that there are direct ports from the DB box to to both APs mentioned above.

The setup I was originally thinking of is:
Fiber termination point -> Singtel ONR -> AP1 -> Deco M4 unit
--> AP2 -> Deco M4 Unit
However, based on the first diagram provided in this link: https://www.tp-link.com/us/support/faq/1794/, it seems that I need to directly wire the 2 deco units together? Or at least get an ethernet switch for it to function in AP mode only

My questions:
1) Do ethernet cables go "both ways", meaning if 1 Deco M4 unit is directly connected to any AP in the house (and connected to ONR), I can plug another Deco M4 unit into another AP and connect its corresponding port in the DB box to the ONR, will the second unit considered to be directly connected to the back of the first, resulting in an ethernet backhaul? (Referring to case 1 in the link provided)

2) Do I need to get a switch or does the ONR already function as a switch as it "splits" the data flow through the 4 ports at the back?

3) What is the difference between AP only mode and router mode?

Would really appreciate some help in the above matters. Total noob at this. Thanks in advance!

I think when you mentioned AP1/AP2, you are using your own definition. If you are calling your cat as dog, it is difficult for the rest to comprehend your questions.

it is easier for you to use the 2nd method in link provided. The switch is optional if you have only 2 deco, just connect the deco to the lan port of onr. Most BTO should have lan wall sockets installed in living room and bedroom, so you don't need to get your electrician to install anything.

 

[shadow84]

Can i check if it is cheap to make this network box and points in a very old HDB flat that does not have it?

 

[xiaofan]

Can i check if it is cheap to make this network box and points in a very old HDB flat that does not have it?

Not cheap, it is said per line is about S$150-180 and maybe higher with CAT6 cables. Assume you have one the ONT and main router in the living room, and you want to have LAN ports in the other two rooms, I will guess it is more tgan S$400 with CAT6 cables. If you need to have more ports then the cost will be even higher.

Ref:
https://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/threads/cost-for-short-lan-point-installation.5325248/

 

[gregory_choo]

Can i check if it is cheap to make this network box and points in a very old HDB flat that does not have it?

if you don't mind exposed trunking, then it is not expensive.

you can also DIY. nowadays most trunkings come with 3m tape behind, you can paste them on wall easily.

cables are not expensive - one roll 1000ft/300m cat 6 is about $100

 

[kiathong]

Hi all, this thread has been very helpful but total newbie here so confused on a few points:

(1) My wireless signal from my current default Starhub router in the living room tv console area is too weak to reach even the nearest bedroom, much less the master bedroom (HDB flat). In this case I'm thinking of replacing the default router with a 3-pack mesh unit (probably TP-Link Deco M9 Plus), 1 to be placed where the living room tv console area is. My question is where do I put the other 2 units? I see alot of people saying they put it in the master bedroom, but I'm worried that means the other 2 bedrooms will not have signal.

(2) For those that put in hallway before, would it look out of place?

(3) I have ethernet cables routed to all my bedrooms, is there a better solution than replacing everything with mesh units?

(4) My friend has a similar problem, he keeps his router in the DB box and it frequently overheats. He's thinking of trying out a 3-pack mesh router but does this also mean that he needs to keep 1 mesh unit in the DB box? If so, wouldn't this not solve the problem?

Thanks everyone for your help!

 

[kiathong]

your main router is at a good location, it should be able to cover whole flat, except kitchen. Nowadays, the walls are made of thin gibson boards, they are easier for wifi signal to penetrate.

Having said that, it is better to wire up every rooms with lan cable, so that you can add wifi AP as and when necessary.

Don't think you need mesh wifi.

Hi Gregory, do you have any wifi APs to recommend? Many thanks!