New MBA i5 or i7?

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Looking to get a new macbook air, my current laptop is dying alr.
question is, should i get a i5 or i7 processor? with education discount, upgrade is only $189.
decided to upgrade RAM too, or is it a waste of money?
will changing to a i7 processor affect battery by a lot?

I play games like starcraft and wow and is i5 enough?
I also use adobe photoshop and illustrator and edit short videos
 

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You won't get to use the extra power that i7 gives you. The limitation is actually on your GPU, since you play SC2 or WOW. To that end, I would suggest not getting the MBA to play those games. I've played WOW on my 2011 MBA and it's pushing past 90 degrees celsius. It's very hot when you press your F1-F4, 1 to 4 keys, and touch the metal unibody around that area.
 

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You won't get to use the extra power that i7 gives you. The limitation is actually on your GPU, since you play SC2 or WOW. To that end, I would suggest not getting the MBA to play those games. I've played WOW on my 2011 MBA and it's pushing past 90 degrees celsius. It's very hot when you press your F1-F4, 1 to 4 keys, and touch the metal unibody around that area.

Thanks! I need the MBA for work though.
 

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Don't worry about comparisons with a 2011 MBA. The benchmarks speak for themselves: a Haswell 2013 MBA absolutely destroys a HD3000 GPU (2011 MBA GPU). Second (maybe even third) generation games like WOW and SC2 should be perfectly playable on the 2013 MBA

AnandTech | The 2013 MacBook Air Review (13-inch)

Thermal management in Haswell is also much better compared to the 2011 generation.

Get the i7 Air with maxed ram if you can afford it.

Battery life is as advertised, you can actually get 12 hours of use in a real world scenario. I do not think there will be a significant difference between i5 vs i7 battery life

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7085/the-2013-macbook-air-review-13inch/6

The Air wasn't intended for photoshop and illustrator type applications but it will get the job done unless you are a power user.

If your current laptop is at least 2 years old...I'm pretty sure the Air will outperform it anyway
 
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Don't worry about comparisons with a 2011 MBA. The benchmarks speak for themselves: a Haswell 2013 MBA absolutely destroys a HD3000 GPU (2011 MBA GPU). Second (maybe even third) generation games like WOW and SC2 should be perfectly playable on the 2013 MBA

AnandTech | The 2013 MacBook Air Review (13-inch)

Thermal management in Haswell is also much better compared to the 2011 generation.

Get the i7 Air with maxed ram if you can afford it.

Battery life is as advertised, you can actually get 12 hours of use in a real world scenario. I do not think there will be a significant difference between i5 vs i7 battery life

AnandTech | The 2013 MacBook Air Review (13-inch)

The Air wasn't intended for photoshop and illustrator type applications but it will get the job done unless you are a power user.

If your current laptop is at least 2 years old...I'm pretty sure the Air will outperform it anyway

Thanks a lot! i use photoshop and illustrator for graphic design with a wacom.
 

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The Air wasn't intended for photoshop and illustrator type applications but it will get the job done unless you are a power user.

I only have a little input towards this statement. If it is not inteded for Photoshop and Illustrator, then what is it intended for ? :)

I'm using a 17" MBP 2009 version for both of these, the current iteration of MBA basically outperform mine significantly.

Ironic isn't it ? :) While systems get faster, the notion of intended for or not changes. In 2009, I believe the same bunch of fella will say it is intended for PS and AI, yet when a lightweight alternative outperform it in today's context, it is still not intended for the same job scope.

The only thing I suppose is argumentative is the screen size, definitely not the performance of MBA.
 

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I only have a little input towards this statement. If it is not inteded for Photoshop and Illustrator, then what is it intended for ? :)

I'm using a 17" MBP 2009 version for both of these, the current iteration of MBA basically outperform mine significantly.

Ironic isn't it ? :) While systems get faster, the notion of intended for or not changes. In 2009, I believe the same bunch of fella will say it is intended for PS and AI, yet when a lightweight alternative outperform it in today's context, it is still not intended for the same job scope.

The only thing I suppose is argumentative is the screen size, definitely not the performance of MBA.

So other than screen size, both programmes will run smoothly?
 

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I only have a little input towards this statement. If it is not inteded for Photoshop and Illustrator, then what is it intended for ? :)

I'm using a 17" MBP 2009 version for both of these, the current iteration of MBA basically outperform mine significantly.

IMO the MBA is intended as a facebook/internet machice, designed for web surfing, HD video watching, listening to music and general productivity like MS Office with maximum portability and battery life

For PS and illustrator, of course using an MBA works, I frequently do light photoshop design work on my 2010 Core 2 Duo MBP (far less powerful than even the entry level MBA right now) and RAW photo editing in Adobe Camera Raw, and it works fine, but I do get the occasional slowdown, delay, and beachball on more complex processes which tax the CPU. Nothing fatal, but I also know I would get a far better experience using say a current gen MBP or rMBP.

For me at least, justifying a higher end mac for photoshop/illustrator use will come down to whether I am being paid to use the software. If I am, then time is money and I should get the most productive device for that purpose. But if one messes around with this software just for fun on occasion, then an MBA would be the better device (in terms of cost and portability)
 

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So other than screen size, both programmes will run smoothly?

The latest MBA is easier more than 50% more powerful than what I own, so if I can create 20+ layers of graphic design in photoshop, at 300dpi near A4 size, it shouldn't be a problem with the recent MBA. I also have AI running at the same time doing some vector works to complement my photoshop design :)
 

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IMO the MBA is intended as a facebook/internet machice, designed for web surfing, HD video watching, listening to music and general productivity like MS Office with maximum portability and battery life

For PS and illustrator, of course using an MBA works, I frequently do light photoshop design work on my 2010 Core 2 Duo MBP (far less powerful than even the entry level MBA right now) and RAW photo editing in Adobe Camera Raw, and it works fine, but I do get the occasional slowdown, delay, and beachball on more complex processes which tax the CPU. Nothing fatal, but I also know I would get a far better experience using say a current gen MBP or rMBP.

For me at least, justifying a higher end mac for photoshop/illustrator use will come down to whether I am being paid to use the software. If I am, then time is money and I should get the most productive device for that purpose. But if one messes around with this software just for fun on occasion, then an MBA would be the better device (in terms of cost and portability)

So I suppose my YR2009 MPB which is outdated must be also having intermittent performance running these software since it is roughly 40% slower than the latest MBA ?

I uses Adobe Lightroom, Adobe Photoshop, Adobe Illustrator, running Parallels with Windows 7, Photomatix performing HDR, DxO Optics V6. So how is the latest MBA running approx 40% faster with a PCI-E SSD able to achieve 700MBps transfer speed going to fair ? I must also point out, I don't use these software for fun only, they are used in real work, for businesses, doing product design artworks. I am also a photography enthusiast, and deal with RAW NEF files of 15MB or more, when post processing them, each one can get more than 100MB each when stored and easily 500MB each when dealing with layers. I also do large number of post processing of JPEG files for events shots for freelance.

I don't get beachballs seriously.. The main keyword here is EXPECTATION. Obviously the recent MBP is going to have much better performance at a much higher price. If you want the performance and you can afford the price tag, go ahead and get the best that technology can offer. Obviously most software will run faster.

However, given that I have already mentioned my YR2009 MBP is slower than the recent MBA and yet I am doing all these intensive application, I really don't see how a faster lightweight machine of recent technology should be branded as only capable of doing less.

As such I don't agree that one should view MBA as a machine that can do less, since today I'm already doing more given a slower machine, once also the top end performer in the product line. It's just what you want to do and how you move things around.

If based on your reasoning that because MBP is more powerful than MBA and hence MBA should only do simple task, I'm afraid I have to advice others go for Mac Pro instead, since it's more powerful and definitely can do more intensive workload than MBP. Would that be a sound argument ?

It's a normally a balance between form factor and performance, but that shouldn't be a gauge of what you can do with a machine. It's all about EXPECTATION.

I suppose say too much also no point, I will let the numbers do the talking. TS you can go figure out the rest.
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davidktw you're getting far too caught up in this

At the end of the day performance is relative.

None of these computers will fail running all the software you mention but the newer ones are going to perform better. That much is indisputable

My MBP is slower than your MBP which is slower than the current gen MBA which will be slower than the upcoming Haswell MBP. Thats the way it is and thats the way Apple chooses to market, and therefore price it

The money you spend will determine how well the apps run. But in all cases, the apps will still run. If you think the new generation isn't worth it for you, since you are still happy with your MBP's performance...don't buy it. But there is no argument that a user in search of better performance should be looking at a higher end mac.
 

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davidktw you're getting far too caught up in this

At the end of the day performance is relative.

None of these computers will fail running all the software you mention but the newer ones are going to perform better. That much is indisputable

My MBP is slower than your MBP which is slower than the current gen MBA which will be slower than the upcoming Haswell MBP

The money you spend will determine how well the apps run. But in all cases, the apps will still run. If you think the new generation isn't worth it for you, since you are still happy with your MBP's performance...don't buy it. But there is no argument that a user in search of better performance should be looking at a higher end mac.

I am too caught up in this ? :) Perhaps huh :)
I think you still don't get the point what I am saying. But it's alright :)

It is strange for someone to tell me that I am happy with my MBP performance..., where is that mentioned in my past posts ? Could you kindly point it out please ? when I am already planning to get the next release of MBP. I have not in any part of the dialogue indicated MBP for better performance is not the way to go, my only argument is MBA don't need to do less. As simple as that.

Somehow I think I'm not too caught up in anything, right from the beginning my point to stress across is only towards this statement

The Air wasn't intended for photoshop and illustrator type applications but it will get the job done unless you are a power user.

I'm trying to show that this statement is inaccurate based on the following points

1) I am a power user
2) I am using a MBP (once top-end Apple product) and getting serious job done.
3) The latest MBA is more powerful than my older MBP.

Therefore the interference here is since the latest MBA is more powerful than my older generation MBP and I can still deliver good works using a less powerful machine, how can the above statement quoted from you be true ? Is it that hard to notice the contradiction, or am I caught up too far ? :)

I have no qualms that a MBP can do more, a MP can do even more, however I just find the whole statement that MBA is not meant to do more, when my evidence clearly shows otherwise, isn't accurate.

So about what my perception towards how well my system fare is invalid. I hope it's clear.
 
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I'm very sorry, I don't mean to get personal with you, but I have to say your written english is terrible and I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say, and it's interfering with proper communication. And yes, you are getting seriously worked up over a very trivial matter. Go take a chill pill

The only thing I can understand is that you take issue with this statement

"The Air wasn't intended for photoshop and illustrator type applications but it will get the job done unless you are a power user"

Sorry but quite simply you do not fit my definition of power user: A power user is someone who would benefit from the additional productivity offered from buying a machine superior to the macbook air. If you disagree with my definition, your disagreement is noted, you can stop talking now, thank you :s13:

Its hilarious I have to somehow persuade people like you that people who spend a lot of time in PS and illustrator, and make a living using that software, should buy a more powerful mac than an MBA :s13:
 
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I don't mean to get personal with you, but your written english is terrible and I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say. And yes, you are getting seriously worked up over a very trivial matter. Go take a chill pill

The only thing I can understand is that you take issue with this statement

"The Air wasn't intended for photoshop and illustrator type applications but it will get the job done unless you are a power user"

Sorry but quite simply you do not fit my definition of power user: A power user is someone who would benefit from the additional productivity offered from buying a machine superior to the macbook air. If you disagree with my definition, your disagreement is noted, you can stop talking now, thank you :s13:

If you don't understand my English yet someone else can "like" what I have written, it basically means you need to brush up on your command of English. No hard feelings taken at all.

If I'm not a power user, it will be such a joke :) I think I own my rights to talk as and when I deem fit. As in your perception towards how a machine sizing should be done, I'm afraid you need to really work on that because it clearly isn't logical.

I think up to this point, I have not in anyway indicated that one shouldn't spend more to get better machine for better performance. However your argument that MBA of recent built and performance is not meant for the same workload or even higher workload, when I have clearly provided the necessary evidence for comparison, clearly shows your lack of knowledge in how machine sizing should be done.

I'm afraid you don't know me enough to know if I'm worked up or not. You may decide with the chill pill as you wish, it's not necessary for me :)

Exactly I'm taking the issue with the exact statement that you have quoted, I have not deviated from it since the start of my disagreement.

To date, I'm just making a logical and sensible statement based on first hand experience and also cool hard facts as shown in the post above. If you can show any evidence to deny my claim, I welcome you to do so. If not, it is pretty clear who is doing all the empty talk :)

Cheers.
 

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i actually concur with davidktw's comments and argument.

Put it this way - hardware these days are getting too advance and at a much lower cost and wider target audiences, while software performance seems to saturate at a point that even a "facebook, web browsing intended" laptop is capable of doing multi tasking, heavy processing work.

A simple example will - 8-10yrs ago, if i mentioned mobile phone most people will think that yes, for SMSing and calling purposes with some simple snake game perhaps. Fast forward to 2013 - this device that we still holding now is still call a phone but i can do more with it now, playing games with console/PC quality, email, surfing the internet in 4G etc etc...

What davidktw and myself is trying to say is don restrict or label certain hardware is meant for certain usage only, as technology advances rapidly no one can be sure of what holds in the future for us.
 

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Relax bro!!! Just buy "Black Chimney" then all problem resolved... no need debate who or what is more powerful.
 

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Relax bro!!! Just buy "Black Chimney" then all problem resolved... no need debate who or what is more powerful.

I would love the "black chimney" too. It's not only nice, but definitely in the right direction for building that single air flow concept. Just need a really darn good reason to convince myself why I need such a monster when I already have 2 xeon running at home. :)

I personally feel Apple is going the right direction with such design, since I understand in most rack servers, vendors actually do complicated airflow simulation in how air can circulate properly and evenly in components placed all over the shop. A single airflow has to be the most obvious choice.
 
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ts: just get something you think you can afford i doubt i7 and i5 will matters that much. mac is all about the user experience. If it's base blindly on specifications alone, there are tons of laptop out there smashing apple specification. Gaming on MBA i don't really recommend as it will heat up your devices pretty fast.. especially the mentioned games which are quite graphic intensive.
 

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"black chimney" with closed loop water cooling and double tesla K20x...with that i will drop my rig and add that to my shopping cart in a heart beat.

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